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5 Reasons Online Dating stinks!!

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I know it is not as "taboo" as it once was, but I tried this a few years ago and DID NOT LIKE IT!! I think online dating is bad for these main reasons.

1.) It is a copout for most men. Any schmuck with no confidence and balls can hide behind a computer and e-mail hotties from his room. These are passive approaches (which hurt confidence) and many men will fail to approach women in public because they have become too complacent in "approaching" women online.

2.) You can like a girls pics and vice versa and have a great repoire online and even on the phone. However, there is still a good chance either of you will be dissapointed once you meet in person. By dissapointed I mean by the persons looks or personality.

**If you go out on a first date with someone you met in person prior to the date, you avoid this altogether and it is less nervewracking**

3.) If a girl is attractive (a 7 or higher) and is on an online dating site, she is getting dozens of e-mails a day. When you e-mail her on one of those sites, you don't stand out and are like "every other guy".

4.) The COST!! Why spend $25.00 a month or almost $70.00 a month (E0-harmony) while there are attractive women everywhere (shopping malls, classes, bookstores etc.)

5.) Though not like it used to, It is still embarrasing to tell others you met online.
 

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mahon83050 said:
I know it is not as "taboo" as it once was, but I tried this a few years ago and DID NOT LIKE IT!! I think online dating is bad for FOUR main reasons.

1.) It is a copout for most men.
:yes: Many guys can't write a complete sentence to save their lives. They try to send out form letters to hundreds of woman at a time believing that every woman would swoon to the words "I read your profile and I liked your picture. Write back with your phone number and a reason why I should call you."
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2.) You can like a girls pics and vice versa and have a great repoire online and even on the phone. However, there is still a good chance either of you will be dissapointed once you meet in person. By dissapointed I mean by the persons looks or personality.
:yes: Most guys start talking to women online just because they have a somewhat attractive picture. They don't have the qualifying skills to find out whether or not the photo is recent, what the woman does to keep fit or whether they even have anything in common. When they actually meet, they are disappointed.
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**If you go out on a first date with someone you met in person prior to the date, you avoid this altogether and it is less nervewracking**
:yes: True, this is one way to easily qualify a woman if you don't have the knack to do it by asking the right questions before you meet. Best find out in person that you're not interested and sneak out the back door after excusing yourself to go to the restroom.
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3.) If a girl is attractive (a 7 or higher) and is on an online dating site, she is getting dozens of e-mails a day. When you e-mail her on one of those sites, you don't stand out and are like "every other guy".
:yes: You probably aren't creative enough to write anything that stands apart from all the other AFC's online telling her that she looks good in her jeans and whether or not she likes anal.
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4.) The COST!! Why spend $25.00 a month or almost $70.00 a month (E0-harmony) while there are attractive women everywhere (shopping malls, classes, bookstores etc.)
:yes: Better pay $25 a month instead of committing to online dating for $100 up front for the entire year. You'll probably get frustrated after the first week and give up in a huff anyway.
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5.) Though not like it used to, It is still embarrasing to tell others you met online.
:yes: Most guys don't have the self confidence to say that they met online. Probably because he didn't qualify her well in the first place and she's about to chew through her leash.

It would make more sense to sarge in a nightclub. At least there you can get drunk enough not to notice how bad your game is and you can blame your lack of success on the fact that all women that go to clubs are wh0res. :up:
 

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mahon83050 said:
1.) It is a copout for most men. Any schmuck with no confidence and balls can hide behind a computer and e-mail hotties from his room. These are passive approaches (which hurt confidence) and many men will fail to approach women in public because they have become too complacent in "approaching" women online.
Some guys go online because they don't like approaching cold in public. Some guys regularly approach in public but also use online in addition as it is just another pool of single women to dip into. I think it's good in either case. Not ever guy has a wide social network or goes out a lot. Some are have very busy lives and not time to go out hunting for girls in clubs and bars. Some just don't like the kind of girls that frequent these meat markets. As long as you meet the right girl, what difference does it make where you met her? Why is it any cooler to meet Miss right in a club than it is to meet her on myspace or match?

2.) You can like a girls pics and vice versa and have a great repoire online and even on the phone. However, there is still a good chance either of you will be dissapointed once you meet in person. By dissapointed I mean by the persons looks or personality.

**If you go out on a first date with someone you met in person prior to the date, you avoid this altogether and it is less nervewracking**
On this point you are 100% right. I've had that happen. Only thing you can do about that is get from online to person ASAP so you know you're not wasting each other's time.

3.) If a girl is attractive (a 7 or higher) and is on an online dating site, she is getting dozens of e-mails a day. When you e-mail her on one of those sites, you don't stand out and are like "every other guy".
An attractive girls is getting hit up in the real world all the time too, so what's the difference? You need to stand apart from all the others guys in the club as well as online.

4.) The COST!! Why spend $25.00 a month or almost $70.00 a month (E0-harmony) while there are attractive women everywhere (shopping malls, classes, bookstores etc.)
Well, if you go to a bar you'll be spending at least that much in drinks. Go to a club you have cover+drinks+parking, go to class you pay for tuition, etc etc. You're gonna be spending money regardless.

5.) Though not like it used to, It is still embarrasing to tell others you met online.
If you are a confident guy, why would that be embarassing? Having your pants fall down in front of crowd would be embrassing. Meeting a girl online is not.
 

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Well, if you go to a bar you'll be spending at least that much in drinks. Go to a club you have cover+drinks+parking, go to class you pay for tuition, etc etc. You're gonna be spending money regardless.

Well, I am not just talking about meeting women in bars/clubs. I am saying you can meet a woman anywhere (street, class, cafe, bookstore) and it would not cost you a thing.
 

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Meeting women online is more of a hassle. Plus, this one girl that I met online, she looked beautiful in her pics, but was pretty ugly in real life.
 

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Online dating ca be great or suck depending on your situation.

Online is very strongly oriented to objective criteria.

If you have good "stats" for your age (income, career, etc.), a good pic, and decent writing skills, are not too unconventional, and are looking for someone more-or-less your age, you can do very well online.

If you're missing any of the above, online is not so likely to pan out for you.
If you do have the "online basics," read Francisco's post regarding qualifying your prospects.
 

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McMahon, did u hate online dating when u tried it cuz u were awful at it>??? guess what? your game applies to all areas of your love life, meaning u will come off online the same way u come off in person. I am pretty sure u are bitter and depressed that u don't get girls. And guess what? ONLINE WORKS, just use myspace, and have some fun doing, maybe if u were like me and hooked up with dozens of good looking girls from myspace, you'd change your negative stupid mind
 

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mahon83050 said:
I know it is not as "taboo" as it once was, but I tried this a few years ago and DID NOT LIKE IT!! I think online dating is bad for these main reasons.

1.) It is a copout for most men. Any schmuck with no confidence and balls can hide behind a computer and e-mail hotties from his room. These are passive approaches (which hurt confidence) and many men will fail to approach women in public because they have become too complacent in "approaching" women online.

2.) You can like a girls pics and vice versa and have a great repoire online and even on the phone. However, there is still a good chance either of you will be dissapointed once you meet in person. By dissapointed I mean by the persons looks or personality.

**If you go out on a first date with someone you met in person prior to the date, you avoid this altogether and it is less nervewracking**

3.) If a girl is attractive (a 7 or higher) and is on an online dating site, she is getting dozens of e-mails a day. When you e-mail her on one of those sites, you don't stand out and are like "every other guy".

4.) The COST!! Why spend $25.00 a month or almost $70.00 a month (E0-harmony) while there are attractive women everywhere (shopping malls, classes, bookstores etc.)

5.) Though not like it used to, It is still embarrasing to tell others you met online.

I’ll add to this list.

6: Online dating is a breeding ground for single mothers.

7: Online dating attracts the prissy princess Madonna types who are only there to see how many hits and emails they can get from men, they have no intention of ever meeting a guy in real life, its simply a great source of female wuss validation.

8: Fat women never put there TRUE weight on there profiles they always mask it with some thing to make them appear to be not such fat fuc*ers.

9: A large % of women on those sites (and men) will use old pictures where they have looked there best, but in reality there actually 5 years older then the pic and have acquired about 15 stone of fat, or are so old there eye wrinkles are touching there knees.

10: Perception (general norm) Doing online dating for a guy, your seen has some sad looser who can’t get women in the real world (subconscious design)
10a: If you’re a good looking guy with a decent profile you’re a player, but still a loser who cant get girls in the real world
10b: If you’re an ugly guy with a poor profile, your still living at home and wan*ing over Barbie, don’t worry though there are plenty of single mothers looking for mister sad chump provider guy, so you may get ‘lucky’!

11: Online dating is a ratio of about 50% AFC men who don’t have the balls to talk to women in the real world.
11a: The other 50% is taken up by:
15% are men that are players (who can’t get girls in the real world)
10% are men pretending to be girls with fake pictures of very attractive women (sometimes there sisters) to see how many AFC/Players they will get emails from.
25% are actually women, with which; 10% single mothers, 5% are old women posing as there daughters or have pics that are 5 years old, 5% are prissy Madonna’s and the other 5% are women, who just want to know what the fuss is about and get putt off off online dating when they realize how many chumps are on there, including girls.


The above was not ment to be satirical, it was intended to be the real truth.

On a final note, the 5% of women who just happen to see what the fuss was about, 3% of them are competing for the same guys, not for the sake of pulling the men, no this is simply due to ‘popularity’ the more women he has, the more the other girls will want to get ‘one up’ on the other women, by thinking; ‘he choose me, dam I must be hot’!

This to me is online dating in a nutshell.

simple conclusion: A breeding ground for female validation.

Oh there is one last edit.

There is a secret 2% of people both male and female that have the idea online dating is what is says on the box!

and about .5% where some women would simpy fuc* anything as long as your in the closest vicinity.

How to spot online validation:

1. You get emailed from half way across the world (she wants another smuck to add to her chump emailing list, or she wants you to drive 60+ miles for her (validation validation validation).

2. She wants you to MSN (spend x amount of hours talking to me with all the other guys (there is a chance of hook up, but the time invested is a waste imo), validation validation e.t.c)

Sometimes when i did it though you will come accross some girls who just happened to be in the web, so sometimes it can be worth it, but has a general norm, online dating is a breeding ground for AFC men and AFC women looking for validation.

anyway sticky my reponse we all know its true :D

The above is what i believe to be the what 95% of people believe about online dating, some in parts some in the whole.

the concept of the 'player' who cant get girls.

A true player wont have time to waste browsing through emails of chicks on an online dating site, in fact when all is said and done, hes nothing but a prissy male madonna, hoping for female validation in the terms of emails back from women:- based on looks, status or what ever trick or tactic he managed to weave into his emails or profile.

A true player will be out getting girls or dating so many women, to persue lesser women on online dating forums would not be in his agenda, this is imo the way i see it.

the quality of women on a online situation is vastly in question, granted some guys can make it work but i think the guys that can have a high tolerance for cra* and have a very high level of persistance, this is alien to a player, no player persists with one girl who is evidentially clearly got options in the form of supplicating chumps or other players competing this is back to the concept of 'she likes me i must be hot' female thinking!

Hence do online dating but be aware of all the fake people on there, be true to your ideals, standerd, cos rather frankly most of the others dont seem to be, but there is a small % that either:

Know the score and traverse the land mines.

or

really are nieve!

I know guys that are succesful at online but for every guy i know about 10 that are not.

Its no wonder the ratio of men to women is so top heavy.

Yes i tried it, I was populer shock horror, but the quality was far and few between, seems far too much like wasted persuits, but each to there own, some guys swear by it, me i dont think you can ever replace one to one interaction (face to face), personnally.
 
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mahon83050 said:
Glad you agree with me then.
I'll just have to take your word that you're no good at it.
 

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if he gets rejected by 10 hotties in a row at a club, he'll be saying clubs are no good too

if you use myspace, and you talk to these girls smoothly like a don juan would, you will find plenty of great girls to **** and to date - i speak from experience
 

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Real said:
if he gets rejected by 10 hotties in a row at a club, he'll be saying clubs are no good too

if you use myspace, and you talk to these girls smoothly like a don juan would, you will find plenty of great girls to **** and to date - i speak from experience
You are wrong. Too bad, most people on here AGREE with me about online dating.
 

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are u happy that you are agreed with? im telling you right now, if you are a chump in real life, then you will suck azz when it comes to scoring girls off of myspace too - girls will see thru the computer too that your a chump, and that is why they don't talk to you or meet you. The problem is not the internet, the problem is YOU
 

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are u happy that you are agreed with? im telling you right now, if you are a chump in real life, then you will suck azz when it comes to scoring girls off of myspace too - girls will see thru the computer too that your a chump, and that is why they don't talk to you or meet you. The problem is not the internet, the problem is YOU
Spot on.

If you're not getting girls on myspace, it's because you're showing to her, online, that you're a chump. While there's no body language in online dating, aside from pictures, girls will look to other small hints to get a perception of your status. Call it online body language. I wrote an article on how to improve your image on myspace.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=129150&highlight=myspace+tips

Though I kind of stopped gaming on myspace. It just seems like a lot more work, though I still get random friends requests from cute girls (and some not so cute ones).
 

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Real said:
are u happy that you are agreed with? im telling you right now, if you are a chump in real life, then you will suck azz when it comes to scoring girls off of myspace too - girls will see thru the computer too that your a chump, and that is why they don't talk to you or meet you. The problem is not the internet, the problem is YOU
The fact is that most guys aren't balanced in their interpersonal/communication skills. They tend to excel in only one method of communication, two if they are better than average. You hear it throughout the forum; some guys can only communicate face to face, others can only email, some (yet few) can communicate best over the phone. Taking it a step further, some interact with women best when they have the support of a wing, others work groups of women better than one on one.

The problem is that by focusing on just their strongest method of interactions, they lower the amount of conduits that they can use to engage people. Heaven forbid they end up in a situation where they are out of their comfort zone. They end up self conscious and take out their frustration on the event rather than notice that they are most frustrated with their ability to be successful in that event. These guys should ask themselves if they'd feel the same disdain if they had the capability of being successful in those situations?
 

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I’ll add to this list.

6: Online dating is a breeding ground for single mothers.



Yes. And that used to scare me. But now I am starting to see it differently. I have noticed that a lot of those single mothers are desperate and lonely. And now that I think about it, her kids only matter if you get into a ltr or you knock her up. I can prevent both these things.

I don't want to date. All I want is sex. Single mothers I think are going to be good for this. A lot of the time, they can't go out, the kids go to bed early, and then they sit on myspace and be lonely. I think most of them would rather have a guy come over just have sex, without ever taking her on a date, than be as lonely as they are with no guy. And even if they don't like it, they know that they are easily replaced - very easily replaced.
 

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The biggest problem with online dating is that most of the women on those sites are fat. The hot women don't need to be on dating sites in the first place, they get hit on hundreds of times a day in person.
You just keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
 

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i have hung out, dated, and had sex with numerous women ages 18-35 (and i'm 23), and most were not fat. Some were actually models, while others looked pretty damn good........what am I doing that all of you myspaces haters aren't doing? hmmmmmmmmm

oh yea, im not a negative prick like most of you guys
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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