“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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43 year old virgin needs help

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Whenever I go on a date I treat her nicely even like a queen. It's always the same. Your such a nice guy, I had a good time, great restaurant, but she always declines a second date. I haven't even gotten a second date at 43 years of age. Please I'm in desperate need of help!

I'm 6 foot 2, in decent shape, don't gave missing teeth, have a job, a good car, ie am good on paper. But that means zilch.

I'm desperate.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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You need to read the DJ bible for sure. I have similar traits to you, maybe a little less extreme, but I used to err on the side of 'nice guy'. This simply does not work, women are not attracted to a nice guy (read beta). You will have to completely rethink how you believe you should behave around women. I would say the first thing you need to do is read the DJ bible, and maybe start by reading the Rational Male. You have to change your mindset first, that is the building block of everything else.

You can't just start gaming women with routines and memorized techniques, you have to understand the dynamic between men and women first.

It can be a hard pill to swallow, but basically everything that is told to you by your mom, sister, friends, media etc. really is heavily influenced by the feminine imperative. The funny thing is, even though feminism has become so prominent and far-reaching, women's attraction still is rooted in that basic primal desire to fvck the stronger more dominant man. A dominant man does not suck up to women, he is not the classic nice guy.

I have started to notice (since I 'took the red pill') that women's behavior (and mens) follows patterns and rules surprisingly regularly. Obviously there out outlying cases, but its almost comical how most interactions follow a certain pattern that many other men on this site have observed time and time again. Its powerful knowledge, and its fun to try and learn.

As far as being a 43 year old virgin............that is going to be tough to build confidence to game women with no sexual experience. I was a 20 when I lost my v-card, and that was hard enough. All my friends had gotten laid, and I felt like I always had a disadvantage. Only now, at 30 am I realizing that I am starting to have an advantage in the dating marketplace.

This might be extreme, but it might even be worth thinking about a higher quality prostitute to gain some sexual experience with the actual mechanics of it all. Not that its complicated, but I think if you had banged a few times before you would have infinitely more confidence than being in completely new territory. The question is, would paying for sex lower your confidence more than the experience would raise it? Would it be a net gain? For me, I think it would be a net gain because I would view it as practice and research, you may feel differently.

Alternatively, perhaps you could find a chick out there like in the movie '40 year old virgin'. A chick that would be open about helping you out. I would say this is pretty unlikely. The reality is, its a cold harsh world out there for dudes in the dating scene. Chicks really don't feel like doing you any favors, they mostly only care if you make their lady parts tingle.
 

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TonyT,

Please do not cross-post the same threads in multiple sub-forums. I moved your thread out of Mature Man because your age is not posted in your profile. 25 or older there, with a requirement to post your age.

To your questions:
You revealed a tremendous amount of your issues in your short post.
Never treat a woman "like a Queen". They hate that. They put you in the "nice guy" category every time when you do that, and that category is the death knell.

They want an edgy, manly man who has a strong frame. She wants to be thought of as a GUEST in your kingdom, not as someone to be catered to. Within that construct you pepper in a little bit of chivalry to offset your strong frame.

There are lots of guys who are 6'2", have their teeth, drive a nice car, etc. What differentiates you from the millions of other guys who think they are good on paper? You need to get to work reading the DJ Bible. It's the link in the lower left corner of this window.

"I'm desperate"... you need to lose that fast. Read "Kill that Desperation" by Pook. A desperate man is hugely unattractive to women.
 

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Good on paper means nothing without the right attitude, I know this all to well, because I would say I am good to great on paper. Did it ever get me laid? Hell no.
 

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I'm amazing "on paper" but without the stuff I learned here I was a total disaster with women. Utterly clueless.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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It took me until 28 to lose my virginity.

This what I learned from a female and used ever since...

You can't be the hands off gentleman and get a second date. That leads to friendzone.

Touch her arm once or twice while making a point.

Maybe touch her shoulder when you tell her you'll be right back (when you go visit the men's room).

Don't overdo it, but some touch is required to make it clear to her non-verbally that this is date, not friends meeting for coffee.

I could write pages on this, but I wanted to focus on a common mistake first.

It's a good start.
 

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I'm joking! I started fvcking girls at 15 and I've bagged more than I can count. I'm now 25 actually. I honestly don't believe there's a such thing as a 43 year old virgin and y'all fell for it! I don't even know 25 year old virgins. Even ugly social retards get some action!
 

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GotED? said:
God this is a painful thread to get into.

Almost worse than ordering cranberry juice at a restaurant on a date.

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Yet you fell for it!!!
 

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Mike32ct said:
It took me until 28 to lose my virginity.

This what I learned from a female and used ever since...

You can't be the hands off gentleman and get a second date. That leads to friendzone.

Touch her arm once or twice while making a point.

Maybe touch her shoulder when you tell her you'll be right back (when you go visit the men's room).

Don't overdo it, but some touch is required to make it clear to her non-verbally that this is date, not friends meeting for coffee.

I could write pages on this, but I wanted to focus on a common mistake first.

It's a good start.
Are you serious it took you that long? Somebody really led you down the wrong path and you were damn unlucky to not get a few bites until 28. Late late late bloomer!
 

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MtnMan said:
You need to read the DJ bible for sure. I have similar traits to you, maybe a little less extreme, but I used to err on the side of 'nice guy'. This simply does not work, women are not attracted to a nice guy (read beta). You will have to completely rethink how you believe you should behave around women. I would say the first thing you need to do is read the DJ bible, and maybe start by reading the Rational Male. You have to change your mindset first, that is the building block of everything else.

You can't just start gaming women with routines and memorized techniques, you have to understand the dynamic between men and women first.

It can be a hard pill to swallow, but basically everything that is told to you by your mom, sister, friends, media etc. really is heavily influenced by the feminine imperative. The funny thing is, even though feminism has become so prominent and far-reaching, women's attraction still is rooted in that basic primal desire to fvck the stronger more dominant man. A dominant man does not suck up to women, he is not the classic nice guy.

I have started to notice (since I 'took the red pill') that women's behavior (and mens) follows patterns and rules surprisingly regularly. Obviously there out outlying cases, but its almost comical how most interactions follow a certain pattern that many other men on this site have observed time and time again. Its powerful knowledge, and its fun to try and learn.

As far as being a 43 year old virgin............that is going to be tough to build confidence to game women with no sexual experience. I was a 20 when I lost my v-card, and that was hard enough. All my friends had gotten laid, and I felt like I always had a disadvantage. Only now, at 30 am I realizing that I am starting to have an advantage in the dating marketplace.

This might be extreme, but it might even be worth thinking about a higher quality prostitute to gain some sexual experience with the actual mechanics of it all. Not that its complicated, but I think if you had banged a few times before you would have infinitely more confidence than being in completely new territory. The question is, would paying for sex lower your confidence more than the experience would raise it? Would it be a net gain? For me, I think it would be a net gain because I would view it as practice and research, you may feel differently.

Alternatively, perhaps you could find a chick out there like in the movie '40 year old virgin'. A chick that would be open about helping you out. I would say this is pretty unlikely. The reality is, its a cold harsh world out there for dudes in the dating scene. Chicks really don't feel like doing you any favors, they mostly only care if you make their lady parts tingle.
You fell for it the worst of all!!! Your advice would be appropriate for a 25 year old virgin. If a 43 year old virgin did exist it would blow my mind and no girl would want to be near that freak show! 43 year old virgins don't exist yet you took the bait hook, line, sinker!!!
 

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what a retarded post, and a waste of time. very believable someone could be a 43 yo virgin, I think I know one myself.
 

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I was a virgin until 25 but I have only done it once, and I still kinda feel like a virgin because I lowered my standards to make it happen
 

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TonyT said:
Are you serious it took you that long? Somebody really led you down the wrong path and you were damn unlucky to not get a few bites until 28. Late late late bloomer!

Yes, my story is true.

Older virgins do exist. Even at 43. Google the term incel.

I'm done with this troll. Might want to close this thread.
 

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what a retarded post, and a waste of time. very believable someone could be a 43 yo virgin, I think I know one myself.
There was a 40 year old virgin, in a Hollywood movie! The movie was fiction not real! The producers made a movie off something that doesn't happen! There's no way you know a 40 or older virgin because they don't exist. You can't know something that doesn't exist!!! You're mad that you got fooled but such is life.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Never feed a male attention wh0re. How pathetic....
 

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Mike32ct said:
Yes, no doubt I was unlucky.

But older virgins do exist. Even at 43. Google the term incel.

I'm done with this troll. Might want to close this thread.
You got fooled, but a man who's taken 28 years to lose his virginity isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I pity you!

This just in! A UFO just landed in my yard and a green Martian came out. The first thing that he told me was that he was a 43 year old virgin!!!
 

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Oh hi krs. Came back because you are still a virgin? Surprise, surprise.
 
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