3 Reasons why the average man is struggling today

[BaronOfHair]

... more men had sex..

The evidence https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/lets-change-the-world-seriously.283548/page-3#post-3147401 doesn't bear that(or many of these other Manosphere shibboleths)out

 

[Slowhandluke]

The evidence https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/lets-change-the-world-seriously.283548/page-3#post-3147401 doesn't bear that(or many of these other Manosphere shibboleths)out

I'm not sure if I believe this. how did humans reproduce? in a tough world, it takes two to raise kids and polygamy was not the norm. if most men did not have sex, wouldn't population decline like it is now?

also, in nations that do not allow women to serial date, do Muslim men have more or less sex as compared to western men?

 

[zekko]

"Average people"(regardless of gender, skin color, creed, or sexual orientation)end up settling for table scraps. That's the way it's always been and always will be

By that logic, then you're saying those average people are table scraps themselves.

 

[BaronOfHair]

By that logic, then you're saying those average people are table scraps themselves.

Often ends up that way, sadly

 

[Manure Spherian]

AOL Instant Messenger

I got action from AOL chat rooms.

 

[SW15]

I got action from AOL chat rooms.

Very good. I hadn't thought of AOL chat rooms in a long time. How did you get action from AOL chat rooms?

 

[BaronOfHair]

I got action from AOL chat rooms.

And there are far more options for meeting women TODAY then existed did back then. Grousing over how sh-tty the current dating and mating market is the equivalent of dining on nothing but rats and bugs, when surrounded by prime sirloin and fresh vegetables

 

[BaronOfHair]

in a tough world, it takes two to raise kids and polygamy was not the norm

Polygamy WAS/still is the norm in many societies. Humans have always mated, but it wasn't until relatively recently that everyone getting a partner/multiple partners became possible, and this is still only true in Post-Industrial nations

 

[Manure Spherian]

Very good. I hadn't thought of AOL chat rooms in a long time. How did you get action from AOL chat rooms?

I would spend time in chat rooms for Queens and bodybuilding. I'd message women, ask for pic exchanges and meet them. I also met a guy in the bodybuilding chat room who brought out three different women on separate occasions for us to get busy with (no, I am not lying).

I also met a girlfriend while in college on Love@AOL, their dating site.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Humans have always mated, but it wasn't until relatively recently that everyone getting a partner/multiple partners became possible, and this is still only true in Post-Industrial nations

Strong disagree. Although polygamy was the norm amongst much of the world, some European pagan societies had monogamy pre-Christianity. Northern Europeans have been the most monogamous of all groups. Although talks of sexual ethics and monogamy are antithetical to a seduction board, monogamy strengthens societies and it's likely why non-Europeans copied it. Polygamous societies are wrought with social pathologies and anti-social young men and it presents danger in war time and lack of male productivity.

If I were a young man in a polygamous society and at the bottom of the food chain and womanless, I would cause much trouble, and try to inspire others to do as well. Not joking. I'd be angry as all hell!

 

[BaronOfHair]

Although polygamy was the norm amongst much of the world, some European pagan societies had monogamy pre-Christianity. Northern Europeans have been the most monogamous of all groups

The Celts and The Norse practiced polygamy and monogamy simultaneously, for quite awhile, even after Christianization. Insofar as the rest of what you said goes, we're more or less in agreement:

I believe in keeping your word, once you've agreed to be exclusive, and also support promoting monogamish living, for the sake of staving off the pathologies you listed. I also say "Let's be humble with our expectations"

Humans are a randy species, so rates of infidelity will remain high

 

[Manure Spherian]

Humans are a randy species, so rates of infidelity will remain high

And there were harsh measures in the past in some places for that. And Chads were not worshipped. In fact, some were lynched or had literal shotguns pulled on them.

Good post.

 

[BaronOfHair]

And there were harsh measures in the past in some places for that

Such societies were ones in which hands were chopped off for SUSPICION of petty theft, and "blasphemy" earned anyone who dared to question dogma a beheading. Can't say that living in such an environment sounds especially pleasant

 

[BaronOfHair]

Ok, but we have other posters claiming that dating/mating is hyper competitive today.

It can’t be both.

We can give the doomsayers 1/8 of a point, by running a bit further with the aforementioned analogy

32:40-36:46

Adapting those words for our purposes:

In ANOTHER sense, a decade or so of watching men act like fools in not only mainstream media, but in monuments to moronicism like GamerGate and the sort of assclownery detailed here

9:00-the end

Has not only obliterated any esteem we might've been held in, but rendered the general public's sympathy with men, as a class, more non-existent than palm trees at The North Pole. Forget misandry... No one outside a small sliver of society gives much thought to men at all, aside from occasionally saying: "They had their heyday back in The 1940s"

So yeah... We can no long afford to be lackluster when we're out in public, in terms of everything from what we wear, to how we smell, to the manner in which we speak. Thinking that we EVER had that luxury to begin with proved to be a near-fatal error. This extends beyond our relations with the opposite sex: Don't expect to receive anything other than thoroughly sh-t-y service at establishments as basic as Arby's, if you walk up to the register looking and speaking like a basement dwelling neckbeard

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Women who would have once settled down with someone in their town are now casually dating or hooking up with men well above their own sexual market value. Why? Because they can. And those men are saying yes.

This creates an imbalance. A woman who is a six or seven in looks might be sleeping with men who are nines or tens..

9 & 10 men are incredibly rare.

 

[CornbreadFed]

9 & 10 men are incredibly rare.

not for women

 

[SW15]

9 & 10 men are incredibly rare.

not for women

Agree. It doesn't take much for a woman to have sex with a man in the 8.5+ range.

This is a good example of a woman (in the slightly cute 6 range) who has regularly had sex with men in 8.5+ range. I posted this earlier in the thread but it's a good example worth showing again for ease of access.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Agree. It doesn't take much for a woman to have sex with a man in the 8.5+ range.

This is a good example of a woman (in the slightly cute 6 range) who has regularly had sex with men in 8.5+ range. I posted this earlier in the thread but it's a good example worth showing again for ease of access.

if this wasn’t a problem then we wouldn’t have so many spoiled alpha widows running around.

 

[SW15]

alpha widows

The woman in that video is a real life example of an alpha widow. I think she's a good example of that concept.