"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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10 Mistakes YOU Probably Make With Women

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MISTAKE #1:

Being Too Much Of A “Nice Guy”

Have you ever noticed that the really hot,
interesting women never seem to be attracted
"nice" guys?

Of course you have.

Just like me, I'm sure you've had attractive
female friends that always seemed to date
"jerks"... but for some reason they were never
romantically interested in YOU.

What's going on here?

It's actually very simple...

Women don't base their choices of men on how
"nice" a guy is. They choose the men they do
because they feel a powerful GUT LEVEL ATTRACTION
for them.

And guess what?

Being nice doesn't make a woman FEEL that
powerful ATTRACTION.

And being NICE doesn't make a woman CHOOSE you.

I realize that this doesn't make a lot of
logical sense, and it's hard to ACCEPT... but GET
OVER IT.

Until you accept this FACT and begin to act on
it, you'll NEVER have the success with women you
want.


MISTAKE #2:

Trying To “Convince" Her To Like You

What do most guys do when they meet a woman
that they REALLY like... but she's just not
interested?

Right! They try to "convince" the woman to feel
differently.

Well, I have news for you... YOU WILL NEVER
CHANGE HOW A WOMAN "FEELS" WHEN IT COMES TO
ATTRACTION!

Never, ever, EVER.

You cannot CONVINCE a woman to feel differently
about you by using "logic and reasoning".

Think about it.

If a woman doesn't "feel it" for you, how in
the world do you expect to change that FEELING by
being "reasonable" with her?

But we all do it.

When a woman just isn't interested, we beg,
plead, chase, and do our best to change her mind.

Bad idea. One that will never work.


MISTAKE #3:

Looking To Her For Approval Or Permission

In our desire to please women (which we
mistakenly think will make them like us), us guys
are always doing things to get a woman's
"approval" or "permission".

Another HORRIBLE idea.

Women are NEVER attracted to the types of men
who kiss up to them... EVER.

Don't get me wrong here.

You don't have to treat women BADLY for them to
like you.

But if you think that treating a woman well
means "always getting her approval and permission
for things", think again.

You will never succeed by trying to get
approval. Women actually get ANNOYED at men who
look for their approval.

Doubt me? Just ask any attractive woman if
Wussy guys who chase her around and want her
approval annoy her...


MISTAKE #4:

Trying To “Buy” Her Affection With Food And Gifts

How many times have you taken a woman out to a
nice dinner, bought her gifts and flowers, and had
her REJECT you for someone who didn't treat her
even HALF as well as you did?

If you're like me, then you've had it happen a
LOT.

Well guess what?

It's only NATURAL when this happens...

That's right, I said NATURAL.

When you do these things, you send a clear
message:

"I don't think you'll like me for who I am, so
I'm going to try to buy your attention and
affection".

Your good intentions usually come across to
women as over-compensation for insecurity, and
weak attempts at manipulation. That's right, I
said that women see this as MANIPULATION.


MISTAKE #5:

Sharing “How You Feel” Too Early In The
Relationship With Her

Another huge and unfortunate mistake that most
men make with women is sharing how they "feel" too
early on.

Beautiful, intelligent, interesting women are
rare.

And they get a LOT of attention from men.

Most men don't realize this, but attractive
women are being approached in one way or another
ALL THE TIME by men.

An attractive woman is often approached several
times a DAY by men who are interested. This
translates into dozens of times per week, and
often HUNDREDS of times per month.

And guess what?

Attractive women have usually dated a LOT of
men.

That's right. They have EXPERIENCE.

They know what to expect.

And one thing that turns an attractive women
off and sends her running away faster than just
about anything is a guy who starts saying "You
know, I really, REALLY like you" after one or two
dates.

This signals to the woman that you're just like
all the other guys who fall for her too fast...
and can't control themselves.

Don't do it. Lean back. Relax.

There's a much better way...


MISTAKE #6:

Not “Getting” How Attraction Works For Women

Women are VERY different from men when it comes
to ATTRACTION.

You need to accept this fact, and deal with it.

When a man sees a beautiful young woman, he
INSTANTLY feels a sexual attraction.

But does the same apply for women?

Do women feel sexual attraction to men based
mostly on looks? Or is something else going on?

Well, after studying this topic for over five
full years now, I can tell you that women usually
have their "attraction mechanisms" triggered by
things OTHER than looks.

Have you ever noticed that you see a lot more
average and unattractive men with beautiful women
than the other way around?

Think about it.

Women are more attracted to certain qualities
in men... and they're attracted to the way a man
makes them FEEL than they are to looks alone.

If you know how to use your body language and
communication correctly, you can make women feel
the same kind of powerful sexual attraction to you
that YOU feel when you see a gorgeous young woman.

But it's not an accident. You have to LEARN how
to do this.

And ANY guy can learn how...


MISTAKE #7:

Thinking That It Takes Money And Looks

One of the most common mistakes that guys make
is giving up before they've even gotten started...
because they think that attractive women are only
interested in men who have looks and money... or
guys who are a certain height... or guys who are a
certain age.

And sure, there are some women who are only
interested in these things.

But MOST women are far more interested in a
man's personality than his wallet or his looks.

There are personality traits that draw women to
you like a magnet...

And if you learn what they are and how to use
them, YOU can be one of these guys.

YOU DO NOT have to "settle" for a woman just
because you aren't rich, tall, or handsome.

Let me say this again: If you know how to use
your body language and communication correctly,
you can make women feel the same kind of powerful
sexual attraction to you that YOU feel when you
see a hot, sexy young woman.


MISTAKE #8:

Giving All Of Your Power To Women

Earlier I mentioned that it's a mistake to look
to a woman for approval or permission.

Well, another similar tactic that a lot of guys
use is GIVING THEIR POWER to women.

Said differently, guys try to get women to like
them by doing whatever the woman wants.

Another bad idea...

Women are NEVER attracted to men that they can
walk all over... Women aren't attracted to
Wussies!


MISTAKE #9:

Not Knowing EXACTLY What To Do In Each Type Of
Situation With Women

Now I'm going to blow your mind...

A woman ALWAYS knows what you're thinking.

Women are approximately TEN TIMES better than
men at reading body language. That's ten TIMES.

I know, it might be hard to believe. But for
example, if you're out on a date with a woman, and
you want to kiss her, she knows it.

And if you don't know exactly what to do and
exactly HOW to kiss her, and you just sit there
looking at her and getting nervous, she won't
help!

And this goes for ALL aspects of women and
dating...

Approaching a woman, getting her number, asking
her out, kissing her, getting physical...
everything.

If you don't know what to do in each situation,
you will probably screw it up... and LOSE
EVERYTHING.

And you KNOW it.

It is VITALLY important that you know EXACTLY
how to go from one step to the next with a woman...
from the first meeting, all the way to the
bedroom.


MISTAKE #10:

Not Getting HELP

This is the biggest mistake of all.

This is the mistake that keeps most men from
EVER having the kind of success with women that
they truly want.

I know, guys don't like to make themselves look
weak or helpless. We don't like to ask for help.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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all in all not bad..i agree with most..although of course nothing is written in stone on any of this
 

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Great and straightforward summary. It would be good to have this stickied somewhere as an introduction for new visitors.
 

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All of this is 100% correct, and so difficult to execute. You really need to make sure you understand this in order to make it a part of your everyday actions.

The hardest part of this is that you're going to hear the woman say she likes this, she likes that, so your initial reaction is to provide those things. It's totally counter-intuitive to not do that, and that's where the majority of guys will fall into the trap. I've certainly done so in the past. The only way I know is to stay alert, and yank your ace back in line if you feel yourself getting out of it. Then, after a while, it will hopefully be easier, but I don't think it will ever be exactly natural, because it isn't.
 

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All of this is 100% correct, and so difficult to execute. You really need to make sure you understand this in order to make it a part of your everyday actions.

The hardest part of this is that you're going to hear the woman say she likes this, she likes that, so your initial reaction is to provide those things. It's totally counter-intuitive to not do that, and that's where the majority of guys will fall into the trap. I've certainly done so in the past. The only way I know is to stay alert, and yank your ace back in line if you feel yourself getting out of it. Then, after a while, it will hopefully be easier, but I don't think it will ever be exactly natural, because it isn't, it's learned.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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good job.....damn youre a hell of a rotten plagerizer..... i dont mind other ppl posting other ppls work, but at least cite them and give them credit....but ill do it for you....

that is David DeAngelos material....

sorry no props for you...anyone could have copied and pasted that... is alright i wont tell the copyright ppl.....
 

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The hardest part of this is that you're going to hear the woman say she likes this, she likes that, so your initial reaction is to provide those things. It's totally counter-intuitive to not do that, and that's where the majority of guys will fall into the trap.
Excellent point! An important piece of advice all on it's own. Women will tell you what they want, but it's the pursuit of it that keeps them interested. To use an old cliche, a successful relationship should be like dangling a carrot before a donkey.
 

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Thanks Dirtheart, I know that's one of the toughest parts of being a guy, and if there's one thing in common that a lot of guys share, it's that aspect.

Anyways, a topic maybe worth discussing further. I believe the whole reason why guys do this is because it seems as though a girl may get tired of not getting what they want from you, and just move on. Here's the hard part, because there has to be a breaking point, and the problem is that there is no hard and fast rule to this.

In the end, it boils down to you having to balance things. You can't give her nothing, but you can't give her everything either. Occasionally she should get what she wants, but other times, she shouldn't. It's like one of those teeter-totter rides, where you sit on one end and she sits on the other, and you guys try to keep it balanced, with neither you or her at the bottom or top the entire time.

Extremely difficult to execute, and no relationship will ever be perfect. In the end, you'll have your share of low points and high points. As long as it balances out overall, it should not fizzle.
 

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There is something else to point out in this situation. This is for those guys out there that are nice, sweet, and kind at heart: in attempting to change into the jerk that so many women like, you will get spiteful about women and even begin to hate them if you try to change this just to get ass. But understand that it has plenty of logic. Howso?

All of us who've done our reading and research know one thing: female's of any species naturally like a STRONG male. Nice guys don't show strength. They don't show backbone. High school example:

Jenna: "Hey Sean can you take my tray up for me?"

Sean: "But of course." (Gets up and takes her tray, also takes the trays of the other girls at the table.)

Jenna: (Says to other girls) "What a sweetheart."

Sean: (Internal dialogue) "Ooh, maybe she liked that. Maybe I can actually ask her out after awhile, but I don't know, I'm still a bit scared."

This is a pretty mild example, but it shows that Sean is weaker in being subservient to the girl. For one thing, he shouldn't even be sitting with her. The more he has to sit with a girl, the less conversation material he has with her. And if she's with other girls, it's even more impossible to hit on her. She needs to be treated just like a woman at a mall, or a bar, or a restaurant: isolate, charge, and initiate the action. He instead, did everything that was wrong.

He complimented her by being curteous and being subservient, he sat with her when she was with friends (for those who are still in high school, GET OVER THIS TEMPTATION), and he spent too much time with her without making an action. Plus, through spending time with her he's established himself as a friend, and he's developed emotions for her. Unless there is something overbearingly awesome about her from the start, these emotions can only hinder his progress with her.

If Sean does date Jenna it will most likely be short lived (Jenna is a "slut". But, the chances are that he will never date her, he will always dream about dating her.

Women want to see a many with BACKBONE. If she pisses you off, show it. REACT, dammit! Don't let yourself be sh** on. You wouldn't let a guy or an ugly a$$ hoe push you around, so don't let a pair of titties, a *****, and a pretty face change that either. Just be a man, and remember that it's not women that are the most important thing in your life, it's the dream you live for that comes before everything else (that's a little something philosophical).

Note: I'm not a sage. I don't consider this doctrine or absolute truth. It's just a bit of what I've learned from being here at DJ and out on the field.
 

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Wow, i was thinking the exact same thing undesputable....That was straight out of the mouth of David D.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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So here's a question, do you guys think that after making these mistakes, that it's ever possible to re-establish anything with that girl, or will she always see you as that?

What about if you totally had her from the start, played the game well, then screwed up one day and made those mistakes? Will your first impression save you?

I'm interested in any guys here who may have recovered from this and regained things with the girl, and how you did it.

Of course, the default is to just move on, but that's not going to be as interesting a story.
 

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its hard to get up after youve made those kinds of mistakes. is not impossible but sometimes the only thing to do is move on...and ironically, thats one of the best way to get back up...

but as david has said (see i give him credit) attraction isnt a choice if you want to try to change her mind no matter how much you try is not going to work, bc you just cant girls to be attracted to you....its something that either happens or it doesnt. its something they cant control...
 

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I have a gal that I'd love to get back to where she was as far as attraction, but it's hard at this point to even get close to her because after you make these mistakes and she knows you like her, the only way to be near her is to be her friend. At this point, I don't care either way, because I think it's been established by both of us that we're not going to go any further with things, but it will be a nice way to test to see if she's still interested in me. She was head over heels at one point, so I can't imagine all feelings are gone, just suppressed.
 

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Originally posted by becker
So here's a question, do you guys think that after making these mistakes, that it's ever possible to re-establish anything with that girl, or will she always see you as that?

What about if you totally had her from the start, played the game well, then screwed up one day and made those mistakes? Will your first impression save you?
For your first question, I think it depends on the girl. Let's say that every girl has a "point of no return" in terms of her disinterest in you. Once you reach this point, you're done for life - she will never consider you more than a friend (or worse, not associate with you at all). Every time you "screw up", you move closer and closer to this point. It's probably safe to say that in general, the more dersirable the girl is, the fewer times you can screw up before you reach the "point of no return".

Same idea for the second question. When you make mistakes, her interest will probably decrease a bit, and if you screw up enough, you'll eventually reach the PoNR. But just a few slip-ups aren't going to destroy your chances completely.
 
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MISTAKE #6: Not “Getting” How Attraction Works For Women

Would you be able to explain how attraction works in women from your perspective? It would be nice if you could elaborate on what you said.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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good job.....damn youre a hell of a rotten plagerizer..... i dont mind other ppl posting other ppls work, but at least cite them and give them credit....but ill do it for you....

that is David DeAngelos material....

sorry no props for you...anyone could have copied and pasted that... is alright i wont tell the copyright ppl.....
Never read him. But just by reading the post I could tell it was plagerized. lol. nothing groundbreaking here anyway. lol...:p I hate post like this. Cause they state absolutly nothing thats new. And everyone props them for telling the truth... when it's just coppied from other posts or ect. lol:(
 
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