"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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1-10 scale for men?

PapiChulo

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How do I rate myself on the scale that we use for hbs alternatively?

1 to 10


What are the characteristics that correspond with 7, 8, 9, and 10s in terms of height, muscle, facial features,style, clothes, voice, hair, etc?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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PapiChulo said:
How do I rate myself on the scale that we use for hbs alternatively?

1 to 10


What are the characteristics that correspond with 7, 8, 9, and 10s in terms of height, muscle, facial features,style, clothes, voice, hair, etc?

I would think that those all would qualify. I give myself a solid 8-8.5! Meaning anything in that range and down in women should not present any problems. If I were taller then I certainly could probably be a 9, being I am on the short side.
 

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I think it's more difficult to rate men because there are so many different attributes that could make them attractive. It's not all just mostly looks like it is with women. There's social status, money, confidence, humor, dominance, etc, etc. Pretty much everything about a guy weighs into his attractiveness.

So I don't think you can describe a typical 7 or whatever because each 7 may have a very different mix of attributes.

Now if you're talking about just looks, that's a different thing. I think it's a mistake to judge a guy solely on looks though because there's more to it than that. We are not chicks.

One thing I do know as far as looks go, girls like tall guys. For sure. If you're tall and goofy though, it's not going to help you.
 

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If its a 1-10 looks scale those factors make sense, if its a 1-10 atractiveness scale you have to weight in a lot of other factors. Like Zekko said.

This will probably turn into another "looks matter" thread.
 

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Yeah

My milkshake is a straight up 10.

I will say that a guy's looks in and of themselves will never make the full sale. I know lots of good lookin' dudes who can get lots of dates, but their number of lays per number of dates are comparable to mine.

Looks are a foot in the door, not a P in the va-gee.

As always, you have to have everything down competently - looks, charm, "work success" (whether you are self-employed or not), and the "x-factor." This will be true for both STR and LTR.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Zekko got it right.

There is no 1-10 scale for men because women are not primarily attracted to looks like we are.

You could get a bodybuilder type body and not be able to get laid to save your life! While any woman with a decent face could go to a plastic surgeon, upgrade her boobs and ass, and overnight she will have countless guys chasing after her.

you got women that chase after bad boys, hipsters, metal heads and all types of guys because they are bad boys, hipsters, metal heads and they are attracted to those type of guys and their personalities.

We don't chase after women due to their personalities. We don't chase after hippi chicks, rocker chicks, hipster chicks but rather blonde, brunnette, amazing ass, big boobs, sexy as hell etc etc ;)

I'm not saying looks are not important for women but they aren't the #1 thing like it is to us. Men will **** any hot piece of ass that gives them the time of day that's all we think about. While a woman will go mainly for a guy that can trigger emotions in her. She will turn down the body builder and stay with her 120 pound hipster if he makes her feel right. We won't turn down the chance to be with a 10 to stay with our 6.
 

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I don't think women use a number scale. A doable guy is usually described by women as "cute" or "hot."

But the standards are higher. For many guys, a "cute" girl may be 7ish and "hot" would be say 8.5+.

For women, the "cute" guy is like 8 to 8.5+. "Hot" is more like 9+.

I'm just speaking based on what I've seen and overheard from women.
 

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PapiChulo said:
How do I rate myself on the scale that we use for hbs alternatively?

1 to 10


What are the characteristics that correspond with 7, 8, 9, and 10s in terms of height, muscle, facial features,style, clothes, voice, hair, etc?

I'm sure others will have their own opinions on this but you may want to try a social ranking site.

Hotornot.com is a site I know of where you can post your picture and women will rate how good looking you are (there are more too just can't remember what the names of them are). You may be able to at least get a ball park number this way if you are that worried about it. They rate from 1 to 10 and it gives you an average over multiple women ranking you. This should give you an idea about your facial feature attractiveness anyway. There are still other factors.

Good luck.
 

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Please understand that this is pointless. Looks are only 1 of a woman's many requirements. You could look like Johnny Depp, but if your shy/awkward/boring, you aren't getting sh*t. Its lights out. You need game on top of looks, and pretty soon that won't even be enough. Their list just keeps getting longer.
 

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I agree with what you guys are saying, but still I dont wanna sell myself too cheap either, because I work hard on myself.The point of all this is that I notice more chicks that are rather 6.5-7s, which I seem to appreciate more now, and not sorely based on the looks alone. Maybe I am maturing, who knows? So I am trying to figure out where I should reasonably land myself in terms of physical attractiveness, considering and it is somewhat "fluid" right now hence I ve gotten in shape fairly quickly.
I would say that women are similar to men in the way they rate us physically in the first 30 seconds: would do him or not. I feel like I fall in the "do" category because of the way women react when I approach, as opposed to the reaction that my good-looking but skinny friend gets when he tries to get in there (he's ignored %90 of the time). I certainly meet the cut-off, yet I am not the hot type that would get their panties wet.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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don't start rating yourself highly without any pictures to back it up :kick:
 

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Maxtro said:
Here you go

It's a fun read. Seems to be pretty accurate.

The average man is between 6 and 4.
After the author rated that first chick an 8.35 he lost all credibility. That chick's face is straight BUSTED. She gets a 6, and that's only cause of the flat stomach and token tig ol' bitties.
 

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this is overal pointless mental masterbation and could give you limiting beleifs ... say you rate yourself a 7, you will likely be more hesistant to approach hotties who are 8/9's if you think they are higher value than yourself....

rate your selves by the women you end up with...... that represents your value - which fluctuates daily (soo many factors ... ) and also depends on the context as it is relative

you should just think you are the collest MO FO around..... thus projecting value
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Betamax said:
They rate us 1-10 on social status - end of story

.....too bad for us. Maybe it's a blessing after all.
 

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Every woman has her own 1-10 scale to judge a man that she meets.
Perhaps it would be best to explain by a woman's senses.
(what she sees, hears, smells, tastes and feels. )

What does she see when she looks at you? She sees what you look like, if you are attractive, if you are physically fit, if you take pride and groom yourself, she sees your poise and what you are wearing.
Every person finds certain physical traits attractive and other traits unattractive. You know you are not always going to be everybody's cup of tea. However, you should try to keep themselves fit and maintain your body.

What will she hear when you talk to her? Will she hear something charismatic coming out of your mouth or something lame? Will she hear desperation when you speak? Will she hear you be funny or sarcastic?

What will she smell? Will it be a cologne that smells great on your body chemistry ? WIll it be the smell of freshly washed clothing? Or will it be the smell of the gym? Again, will she smell desperation?

What about tastes? Do you have the same taste in music? movies? any interests at all?

All of these things will determine... how she feels about you.
That is when she will rate you on her 1-10 / thumbs up or down scale.

She will know within 3 minutes from the time she meets you exactly how she feels about you.

Hope this helps clear things up.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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