Nip/Tuck said:

So will someone here please give me a good reason why American men continue to blindly marry to American women when they have absolute no benefit in the long run? Don't give me LOVE aka SEX in wo manese. It only costs 30 bucks in Asia.

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because not all men have the time nor the money to run over to asia for sex or a relationship. why? because american men live in america... so they seek out american women who live nearby.

penkitten said:

because not all men have the time nor the money to run over to asia for sex or a relationship. why? because american men live in america... so they seek out american women who live nearby.

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That's the dumbest thing I ever read. So you would do drugs if it was in front of you? If the men didn't spend so much money on dates or marriage, I'm pretty sure they could afford 2 grand and visit a brothel in any Asian country.

While I agree it's not a good reason I think she's right that it is the reason.

bigjohnson said:

While I agree it's not a good reason I think she's right that it is the reason.

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No the reason is that media, government (court) and church has created a feminist brainwashing culture that produces whipped men. Most American guys think that bad behavior is normal and women are entitled to more. All this chivary bullsh*t is only in Britain and America. Both having significant problems with family structure and marriage because women are behaving like men and men are behaving like women. Women tend to be shy, quiet, reserved and loyal. Now you get these cigarette smoking party animals. When you criticize that it's not "lady-like" to behave that way you get attacked from brainwashed guys and girls that I can't handle a "real women." If American men actually traveled and met some decent foreign girls I'm 100% sure that they'll leave ASAP. If you had a bad experience at a foreign country, it is YOUR FAULT. You didn't avoid the tourist scam locations. Also on ratio wise you will find better looking and better quality women outside the U.S. and UK. 50% of girls and guys here are obese, that just proves that you'll more likely to find physically attractive looking women elsewhere. Unless you like whaling and poking fatties like this. Good for you, take every single one of them!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JARF7q2S6ns

Seriously how can you marry her? I would rather be castrated then having to live this.

Nah, it's because they go out with what they've been around for their entire lives, and what is readily available. Then one day they form an emotional bond with one and that's how the goose was cooked.

Conspiracy theories bore me.

bigjohnson said:

Nah, it's because they go out with what they've been around for their entire lives, and what is readily available. Then one day they form an emotional bond with one and that's how the goose was cooked.

Conspiracy theories bore me.

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Maybe my analogy isn't good. How about this. What would you rather have an European made car like BMW, Audi, Porsche, Aston Martin and Bugatti or Ford, Chevrolet, Saab, Pontiac, Saturn and Dodge? If you know anything about cars, European cars are way better than American made cars. What's the point of getting an American car that's sh*tty in every aspect when you can buy an European or Japanese car for the same price?

Nip/Tuck said:

Maybe my analogy isn't good. How about this. What would you rather have an European made car like BMW, Audi, Porsche, Aston Martin and Bugatti or Ford, Chevrolet, Saab, Pontiac, Saturn and Dodge? If you know anything about cars, European cars are way better than American made cars. What's the point of getting an American car that's sh*tty in every aspect when you can buy an European or Japanese car for the same price?

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Great!

What would you buy if you had to go to Germany, shop for the car, buy it, handle all the legal hassles, make sure it was legal to drive in the USA, ship it home and all the complexity that involves on your own?

I drive a German car but if I had to do that I'd find a way to make do with a Ford. Most guys make do with a domestic product as well.


Thanks for arguing my side for me.

He's right about the propaganda. The hor matrix is part of the problem, and simplicity is another part.

But the Great One says that even if you find a good woman overseas, she will likely become corrupted by the matrix if you marry her and bring her to America. It's like putting good apples into a basket full of rotten ones.

Whatever you do, if you plan on living in America you need a good prenuptial agreement. There are some men, such as backbreaker, who swear off marriage altogether because they think prenups are uncertain. There is a tad bit of legitimacy to that fear, but if you do a prenup right, then I think you can be in pretty good shape.

Moreover, if you deny marriage altogether and try to simply marry outside the law, you're pretty much resigning yourself to only sleeping with hors for the rest of your life. You can say, "Well, legal marriage is totally artificial, and we don't need to be officially married to live together as husband and wife." But if you say that, you're probably fooling yourself. Legal marriage adds a good deal of legitimacy to your bond, and more importantly, it gives the woman certain rights.

Only a low-quality woman would commit to you without an enforceable commitment FROM YOU to treat her correctly. Men sometimes screw up marriages, too, and they should be punished for such things as adultery. The family courts have corrupted this mutual enforcement to favor the women at the expense of men, but the reality is that a marriage union should set up enforceable rights for both partners. If you swear off marriage altogether, you will only be able to live with people who are very risk-prone (and who trust you A LOT) or who don't think highly of themselves.

Whats the big deal about Marriage anyway....You get a piece of paper. waste tens of thousands for a party and pay less taxes but not much less...

Women are the ones that make marriage bigger than it actually is.

40+% of marriages last until death. How many non-marital LTRs can you say that about?

Obsidian said:

40+% of marriages last until death. How many non-marital LTRs can you say that about?

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What i still dont get is the difference between a serious LTR and Marriage...both same thing but one has "official certification". If i am married, i wouldn't feel any more special with a piece of paper in my hand. I think Marriage is more psychological commitment than anything.

Francisco d'Anconia said:

I don't think it's love at all or perhaps "a whole lotta like" at best. I believe if the passion was truly there, couple would put more effort into sustaining the relationship by doing things to keep it healthy instead of neglecting it.

Marriage as it is enacted nowadays is all about future (financial) stability at best. People get married in order to qualify for a mortgage, they have families for tax write offs, the combine health insurance, they are accepted by communities of other married couples. If they're lucky they have intense, positive feelings for one another. If it were truly love that was paramount they'd be able to endure up ups and downs of a relationship and still make things work.

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How many people dont just get married because society expects it of them though? You graduate from high school, you go to college. You graduate from college, you get a job. You get married, buy a house and then pop out 2.6 kids.

What i still dont get is the difference between a serious LTR and Marriage

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Well I just showed you the difference. Hardly any LTRs will last until death, but 40+% of marriages will. And if you throw in a little DJism, qualification of the woman, and a prenup, I think the odds go way up.

I think Marriage is more psychological commitment than anything.

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well that's part of it. For example, the woman will acquire your last name

If i am married, i wouldn't feel any more special with a piece of paper in my hand.

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Maybe you don't feel special, but a woman needs some assurance that, after you've taken her away from her career to raise your kids, you won't replace her with a younger girl and kick her out.

AgonyUncle said:

How many people dont just get married because society expects it of them though? You graduate from high school, you go to college. You graduate from college, you get a job. You get married, buy a house and then pop out 2.6 kids.

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Oh yeah, that's probably the biggest reason why people get married and have kids, they're expected to. Then they use the reasons I listed as some of their justifications. Lemmings. I see people put more effort in choosing a car to buy than who they choose to marry. Madness...

bigjohnson said:

Great!

What would you buy if you had to go to Germany, shop for the car, buy it, handle all the legal hassles, make sure it was legal to drive in the USA, ship it home and all the complexity that involves on your own?

I drive a German car but if I had to do that I'd find a way to make do with a Ford. Most guys make do with a domestic product as well.


Thanks for arguing my side for me.

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Wow I didn't think you would get my point. Why not move to Germany? If you really loved cars you wouldn't stay in the U.S.

Yes thank YOU for proving MY point.

"I drive a German car but if I had to do that I'd find a way to make do with a Ford. Most guys make do with a domestic product as well."

As mentioned in previous threads, why do men make do with domestic products? That was my question. I guess they just do it since they're brainwashed and are whipped to do things their way.

Nip/Tuck said:

Why not move to Germany? If you really loved cars you wouldn't stay in the U.S.

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I'd dispute that point, I believe many car enthusiasts do indeed choose to reside in the USA. Relocation of normal people with family and friends to a different continent is a non-trivial life choice and a lot more difficult than the original suggestion of simply "visiting Germany".

Hilarious really. "Well, I agree visiting Germany to get a car is too difficult, which is why I took the much simpler option of moving to Germany so I could have a German car."


Thanks for the comedy relief.


PS - Aston Martin was owned by Ford until very recently, and Ford still retains a large stake.

Obsidian said:

Well I just showed you the difference. Hardly any LTRs will last until death, but 40+% of marriages will. And if you throw in a little DJism, qualification of the woman, and a prenup, I think the odds go way up.




well that's part of it. For example, the woman will acquire your last name




Maybe you don't feel special, but a woman needs some assurance that, after you've taken her away from her career to raise your kids, you won't replace her with a younger girl and kick her out.

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That assurance is what im talking about...that piece of paper doesnt mean anything but an "assurance" it sure as hell wont stop a husband or wife from being able to cheat. so whats the point. its a piece of paper to "make sure" that piece of paper cant make sure of crap...i can rip up that contract anytime i want.

thanks for totally ignoring everything I wrote, Ken. I can tell you have a very open and logical mind.

Maybe the problem isn't so much with the American woman as it is with us. No hear me out before you start throwing shyyt.

If every american male woke up tomorrow and said I will no longer tolerate this type of behavior from any women I have in my life, eventually the majority of the behavior that we don't like would stop. The only reason the women are doing it now is that it has succeeded with gettting them what they want. If we stop giving them what they want they will change- except for the one's that are too stupid to change and those you don't want anyway. The problem is that their are too many AFC men who will bow down and do anything to get a date with and hold on to a woman, even to a woman that isn't loyal and is not a good match for the long haul. I know that I myself have behaved this way in the past. No one of us, by ourselves can change society at large, but each of us has the ability to change our own world.

Someday men will invent robots that are good enough to emulate most of the functions we need from women (except childbirth I suppose) just like we invented the water pump, Roomba and dishwasher. When that day comes what will women do to get the emotional bond they need?

I want to live long enough to find out.