"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Between these two men, who is the mature one and the nice guy?

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1) He usually uses tactics to keep women glued to him. The woman might want something from him, like children, marriage, or living together, and he plays the game by pretending to be uninterested in these requests (which he actually does want), and makes her do all the work to get them.
This carries over into his daily life, even in the smallest things.
(Just for example, she texts her, "It's late, come to dinner," and he doesn't respond even after seeing the message, knowing it will worry her, even though he's actually driving home.)
As mentioned, he uses tactics, and sees outburst and emotional high and lows as a reason to use even more tactics "to win the game," so he won't walk away, even when boundaries are crossed, but rather sees those as challenges.

2) This man, when his woman makes requests, discusses them and follows through.
If the woman asks for children, he might ask if they're currently financially equipped to have one, but then he goes ahead with it.
If the woman asks for something else in the relationship, he accepts or disagrees, but he gets it done.
He doesn't use tactics and if he's disrespected, he points it out, sets a limit, and if it's crossed, he'll walk away.
He guide, in the sense that his focus in life isn't on tactics or the game, but rather on having a direction, goals, and wanting to achieve them, and he's clear about this; he hides nothing.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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No man really goes that straight or a route. We're all a little bit of both in my opinion, but if you want peace of mind, take a lot of the second route and use a little bit of number 1 to spice up the relationship or marriage.
 

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No man really goes that straight or a route. We're all a little bit of both in my opinion
As are the examples in the OP, IMO. They're both a mix of both. As you point out, that's more like real life.
 

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@tesla8520 "...if he's disrespected, he points it out, sets a limit, and if it's crossed, he'll walk away"

He's using tactics, in other words, yet pretending to he's "authentic"
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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