Race is very important in dating.

[CornbreadFed]

There most certainly are white women who only go with black men.

Yet, I know snow bunnies dating/married to white men right now. Furthermore, I fetishize middle eastern women, but I am with an Asian woman with child.

 

[Westminster]

Yet, I know snow bunnies dating/married to white men right now. Furthermore, I fetishize middle eastern women, but I am with an Asian woman with child.

I'm not really sure what you point is.

Like I said, some white women fetishise black men, to the extent that they only go with black men. I don't care either way, my point still holds.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I'm not really sure what you point is.

Like I said, some white women fetishise black men, to the extent that they only go with black men. I don't care either way, my point still holds.

my case and point is that this statement is irrelevant if these same women are dating non black men.

 

[Westminster]

my case and point is that this statement is irrelevant if these same women are dating non black men.

As I said, some women fetishise black men to the extent that they will only have relationshipships with black men.

 

[Gamisch]

I sometimes wonder how much of the black pill content is a result of minority dudes unsuccessfully trying to get with white women.

While it is true that some women don't care much about race and some may even prefer guys of a different race, 90% of the time, if you are a non-white dude going after a white woman, you are facing an uphill battle. That hill could be gentle, like the rolling hills you find in the English countryside, or it could be as steep and insurmountable as Mount Everest.

I also find it bizarre that some people feel entitled to be liked by other races. Think of your own preferences. Do you like women of every ethnic and racial group without exception, or do you have preferences? Why wouldn't women have preferences too?

A portion. But not the majority. As I mentioned before; ALL races have their fair share of incels.

Matter a fact: 65 % of men dont date. Tons of them opted out because they couldn't get the lifestyle and relationship their fathers and grandfathers had. Ironically and cynically enough black men are the one race who DON'T grow/grew up in an environment where the parents stayed together for 40+ years...

So arguably blackpill content is bound to be produced by men whose worldview got shattered due to modern dating dynamics. Black men are akin to be more redpill by nature ( and thats NOT necessarily a good thing!).

They addressed it, but dating coaches and red pill content creators are essentially snake oil salesmen, and when a question doesn't have a clean, marketable answer they just deny the premise entirely rather than engage with it honestly. That's not a rebuttal. That's a business decision.

And there's a pretty important distinction being glossed over here. I never said race was irrelevant to dating outcomes. There's actually decent data suggesting it has some effect. What I said was that blaming your race as the primary explanation for your failures with women is a stupid conclusion, and those are two very different claims. One is an empirical observation. The other is a cope that conveniently eliminates any need for self-reflection.



This framing is just empirically wrong. People don't choose partners based on some deep seated racial loyalty. They choose based on proximity and convenience, and proximity historically correlates with shared racial background. That's a much more mundane explanation than people want to admit.

And the idea that cultural or racial mixing is some modern phenomenon is genuinely baffling to me. Hispanics as a group are a walking example of centuries of mixing between Indigenous, European, and African populations. African Americans have well documented admixture going back to slavery. White Americans went through their own version of this process where groups like Italians, Irish, and Germans were not even considered fully white for a significant stretch of American history and then gradually got absorbed into a broader white American identity. That happened within living memory for some people.

And that's before you even get to places like Latin America or South Africa, where the entire social and demographic history is built around the interaction and mixing of different groups.
The reality is that the overwhelming majority of people on earth are not walking around with 99% ancestry from any single ethnic population. That level of genetic isolation requires generations of geographic separation, which is why you see it in places like Japan that had deliberate and enforced periods of insularity. Almost everywhere else, mixing has been the default state of human populations for a very long time. Pretending otherwise isn't a serious historical position.



Says who?



This just sounds like an inferiority complex, not accepting reality.

Japan is a great example. Japan, south Korea are places who struggle with birthrates despite ( or because) having a homogeneous demographic of people.

Look, it doesn't matter what color the Ken doll has. Yellow black white or green. Attractive features = attractive features regardless of color/ race / culture/ religion.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

... well they do in the hills of West Virginia.

You should see the Smoky Mountains area, WV ain't shiit lmao

 

[CornbreadFed]

As I said, some women fetishise black men to the extent that they will only have relationshipships with black men.

Even if this is correct, the woman isn’t laying out the red carpet for Urkle.

 

[HaleyBaron]

In The Anglosphere, it's long been said that those who are of a more medium brown shade are free to "stick around", this is true. Lots of folks who are much darker still successfully date and mate though

I want to make a note that this topic does not mean that no darker guys get game. The point being made is that there is a specific hierarchy and play to these things.

• People at the outset will tend to date within their race/ culture as a priority.
• If a person dates outside their race, especially women, they will prioritize toward the most potential. Example, an african american man before a south american african in the US.
• Men are less picky about the race of their mate.

But this topic is more important toward women because they are the gender with the most prejudice.

Some white women fetishise black men. Which again shows that race does matter, even if sometimes it's a somewhat perverse way.

And I will say that any black male avoid getting into those kinds of relationships for salvation of their sanity.

 

[Westminster]

Even if this is correct, the woman isn’t laying out the red carpet for Urkle.

I don't know who Urkle is but there absolutely are some white women who will actively pursue black men, often on the basis of certain crass racialised stereotypes

 

[CornbreadFed]

I don't know who Urkle is but there absolutely are some white women who will actively pursue black men, often on the basis of certain crass racialised stereotypes

I was stating that LMS still applies in this situation. Low and average smv black men are not handed a handout because they are black.

 

[Westminster]

I was stating that LMS still applies in this situation. Low and average smv black men are not handed a handout because they are black.

Well, yeah, they'll rather have Tyrone if they can get him. Of course. But the thread's about how much race matters and, in some cases, it matters a lot because a white guy isn't going to get a look in whoever he is if the woman only goes with black men

 

[CornbreadFed]

Well, yeah, they'll rather have Tyrone if they can get him. Of course. But the thread's about how much race matters and, in some cases, it matters a lot because a white guy isn't going to get a look in whoever he is if the woman only goes with black men

Tyrone does not need race to help him because he’s a high value male. If a woman rejects you because you are white, I refuse to believe that she will hold the same belief system towards Travis Kelcie or Ryan Gosling.

 

[Westminster]

Tyrone does not need race to help him because he’s a high value male. If a woman rejects you because you are white, I refuse to believe that she will hold the same belief system towards Travis Kelcie or Ryan Gosling.

I said some white women fetishise black men, which they do. They would like Tyrone but, if not, they'll go with another black man rather than a white man or another race. So, their preference is about race, which is what the thread's about. If you don't buy that, fair enough.

 

[BaronOfHair]

@HaleyBaron "People at the outset will tend to date within their race/ culture as a priority"

I'm classified as "brown" by American standards, and this has never stopped me

 

[BillyPilgrim]

@HaleyBaron "People at the outset will tend to date within their race/ culture as a priority"

I'm classified as "brown" by American standards, and this has never stopped me

Sample size of one, good sir.

But if we all try hard enough, we can break the long-observed predilections of human nature. Same goes for the laws of physics.

It's all about mindset.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I said some white women fetishise black men, which they do. They would like Tyrone but, if not, they'll go with another black man rather than a white man or another race. So, their preference is about race, which is what the thread's about. If you don't buy that, fair enough.

Do you think this same white woman would choose an average black guy over Ryan Gosling?

 

[Westminster]

Do you think this same white woman would choose an average black guy over Ryan Gosling?

If somebody dates exclusively within one race, they date exclusively within one race.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Cornbread,
The correct term for the long observed attraction different genders have,for those genetically widely different is Koinophilia...Quite sensible really as it avoids inbreeding...Remember Deliverance LOL.

 

[CornbreadFed]

If somebody dates exclusively within one race, they date exclusively within one race.

Is this somebody that would choose a chopped-up average black guy working at McDonald's over Ryan Gosling, a unique or common case?

 

[Scaramouche]

Oh Cornbread,
You go to extremes,citing a possibility that would never happen in a month of Sundays.