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Shooting your shot on Woman above your League

OngBak

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Do you guys shoot your shot on woman you deem as in your or below your league? Or do you also aim for woman above your League?
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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C'mon man, what are we doing...

In a little over 2 days you've made 3 threads:
  1. Whether to ask a girl out
  2. Feeling like a loser lately
  3. This...asking about whether guys shoot their shot for women "out of their league"
Let's focus on solving one problem at a time, man. You're all over the place here and it doesn't feel like you're digesting the advice and information you're receiving.

However, to answer your question...

I don't think about leagues. If a woman is hot, and I want her, I'll shoot my shot and approach her. When I was younger and felt that women were "out of my league" because they were attractive and I was not, I decided to focus on improving myself to the point where I became the type of guy they would want.
 

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C'mon man, what are we doing...

In a little over 2 days you've made 3 threads:
  1. Whether to ask a girl out
  2. Feeling like a loser lately
  3. This...asking about whether guys shoot their shot for women "out of their league"
Let's focus on solving one problem at a time, man. You're all over the place here and it doesn't feel like you're digesting the advice and information you're receiving.

However, to answer your question...

I don't think about leagues. If a woman is hot, and I want her, I'll shoot my shot and approach her. When I was younger and felt that women were "out of my league" because they were attractive and I was not, I decided to focus on improving myself to the point where I became the type of guy they would want.
You are right, I need some sleep.
 

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In a little over 2 days you've made 3 threads:
+1.
I am here since 2023, when I started with a broken heart. In all these years my threads have been just 3-4. Rest was just learning and applying that knowledge.


I don't think about leagues. If a woman is hot, and I want her, I'll shoot my shot and approach her. When I was younger and felt that women were "out of my league" because they were attractive and I was not, I decided to focus on improving myself to the point where I became the type of guy they would want.
Few days prior, my current relationship turned so toxic, that I felt bad looking at beautiful women. I didn't look them in the eye, or turned my face away then thought oh now she is out of my league. Turned into a downward spiral.
Yesterday, groomed myself did my weight lifting, ensured I had best sleep and went out thinking no this time I won't look away, and to my surprise girls indeed looked towards me.
TLDR:Yeah the league stuff it happens just inside your brain. You are a man, you can go get anything on this world, if you want to.
 

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If you are in the correct headspace theres no such thing as a woman who is above your league.
There is in terms of status, appearance and other traits. An Arabic Princess f.e would be already above your league
 

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There is in terms of status, appearance and other traits. An Arabic Princess f.e would be already above your league
She being out of access is a major problem than above your league. There are many men richer, more worthy, and high value than her on earth, but again access is a major problem. That's like dreaming of seducing fairies.
 

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She being out of access is a major problem than above your league. There are many men richer, more worthy, and high value than her on earth, but again access is a major problem. That's like dreaming of seducing fairies.
Thats the Point. You can be richer, more worthy and high value, but it doesnt change the fact that they are above your league logically. A Victoria Secret Model, is above the league of a fat geek, who does nothing then jerking off to fat woman everyday.
 

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The thing with women you think are out of your league, or are extremally beautiful, is that they’ve been getting attention their whole life. That attention is their power, but it’s also a problem. They’re always being looked at, judged, and valued mostly for their looks, and after a while that gets repetitive and even isolating. Most guys either admire them from a distance or approach them in the same shallow way, so even though they get a lot of attention, it’s usually not meaningful. That’s why they’re not as hard to connect with as people think since most men just approach them like everyone else.

Because of this, the "above your league" women is not as unattainable as people think. If you focus only on her looks, you become just another face in the crowd, but if you recognize and engage the parts of her that are often overlooked like her mind, her character, her individuality, you separate yourself immediately. Also, since she’s used to being chased, she tends to be passive, but deep down she can get bored of that. If you don’t come off as desperate and create a bit of space, she might even start putting in effort too.
 

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I stopped thinking as anything and anyone as "above my league", and life has subsequently become simpler than carpet bombing Ramallah into oblivion, if you happen to be The IDF
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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The thing with women you think are out of your league, or are extremally beautiful, is that they’ve been getting attention their whole life. That attention is their power, but it’s also a problem. They’re always being looked at, judged, and valued mostly for their looks, and after a while that gets repetitive and even isolating. Most guys either admire them from a distance or approach them in the same shallow way, so even though they get a lot of attention, it’s usually not meaningful. That’s why they’re not as hard to connect with as people think since most men just approach them like everyone else.

Because of this, the "above your league" women is not as unattainable as people think. If you focus only on her looks, you become just another face in the crowd, but if you recognize and engage the parts of her that are often overlooked like her mind, her character, her individuality, you separate yourself immediately. Also, since she’s used to being chased, she tends to be passive, but deep down she can get bored of that. If you don’t come off as desperate and create a bit of space, she might even start putting in effort too.
But that is not the main concern of my thread though. I see woman I deem as above my league and still see some of them as attainable. I have had woman f.e that were above my league being attracted to me and one of them was indeed coming from a Royal background. We had studies together, but I rejected her since she tried to make me insecure and to get me to ask her out, but in ways I could not respect. She actually left University after that, figured she could not deal with the rejection and wasn't able to seduce me. So Im aware that People above your league can be insecure as well, I dont see them as god, I see them as normal human beings with qualities that makes them simply above average and above your league compared to the factors I mentioned earlier.
 
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But that is not the main concern of my thread though. I see woman I deem as above my league and still see some of them as attainable. I have had woman f.e that were above my league being attracted to me and one of them was indeed coming from a Royal background. We had studies together, but I rejected her since she tried to make me insecure and to get me to ask her out, but in ways I could not respect. She actually left University after that, figured she could not deal with the rejection and wasn't able to seduce me. So Im aware that People above your league can be insecure as well, I dont see them as god, I see them as normal human beings with qualities that makes them simply above average and above your league compared to the factors I mentioned earlier.
I don’t discriminate, and to answer your OP question, I go for any girl I’m attracted to, regardless of tier.

That said, based on your comment, it sounds like you’re making a mountain out of a molehill.
 

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I don’t discriminate, and to answer your OP question, I go for any girl I’m attracted to, regardless of tier.

That said, based on your comment, it sounds like you’re making a mountain out of a molehill.
Sounds great, but to clarify:
  • Discrimination involves unfair treatment of a group based on identity (race, religion, gender, etc.).
  • My “league” concept is about compatibility and perceived social metrics, which is personal, not legally or morally discriminatory.
 

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Sounds great, but to clarify:
  • Discrimination involves unfair treatment of a group based on identity (race, religion, gender, etc.).
  • My “league” concept is about compatibility and perceived social metrics, which is personal, not legally or morally discriminatory.
Alright bro, I don’t judge based on “social metrics” or leagues.
 

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"No way will I approach her. She's out of my league".

Just a pathetic, shameful mentality to have as a man.
 

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There is in terms of status, appearance and other traits. An Arabic Princess f.e would be already above your league
An Arabic princess in a Dubai palace is out of reach (but only because it's literal)

An Arabic princess who's going to Harvard for a token mba is there to f fratboys, like every other sorority gurl
Or maybe to find out if the mythical 6'5" blue-eyed finance bro exists
 

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Do you guys shoot your shot on woman you deem as in your or below your league? Or do you also aim for woman above your League?
Good way to stay j3rking off on Friday nights.
 

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An Arabic princess in a Dubai palace is out of reach (but only because it's literal)

An Arabic princess who's going to Harvard for a token mba is there to f fratboys, like every other sorority gurl
Or maybe to find out if the mythical 6'5" blue-eyed finance bro exists
Thats true, not denying it lol
 
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