The real issue?

[BaronOfHair]

So your solution to beating this system is to join it and try to overcome it?

We won't change anything by hiding out in the margins, stomping our feet and fussing at Uncle Sam for refusing to hand us the car keys

 

[plumber]

I have a feeling that the real underlying issue between men and women today, stem from the fact that women are working, and have to harden their hearts and be more masculine in order to survive and manage the work environment?

I don't even feel attracted to modern women because of this.
I for a long time thought there was something wrong with me, until I identified it was because of this.

So rn I'm working until I make 10,000 $ / month, or whatever I need to pay for both me and my future woman, so she can stay at home and protect her from having to harden up and being around other men on a daily basis.

yes to this. what it does for you is cause you to have inner confidence. you can literally decide things instead of hope. you can then be the king. the value in what you suggest is for yourself and it is huge. the world is yours.

about women: this model allows you to pick from the entire pool, not just those that can provide money. you still have to understand them and manager your house as needed. no matter what, she will always have her own goals and desires....

forcing your mate to spend half the day in the presence of another man that is dominant to her (the boss) often has predictable results. does not have to be a plan, it just happens by nature.

 

[Slowhandluke]

I have often had the same attitude: "You can't go back to the fifties".

yes, you can go back. The vehicle for this is Darwinism. The moderm women are not reproducing. Muslim women are... Buddhist women are... Christian women are...

Look at london... look at cities with large Mormon populations.. look at Poland (iirc). give it a bit and feminism will die... women who think they are better than everyone else, will die off.
idealogy that makes women not reproduce, will die off because their believers don't reproduce. look at the younger generation. most are conservative leaning, and a lot of them don't believe in feminism.

I think the progeny that will buck the girl power idea is just starting out. they are in highschool or just starting college. they have a whole new mind set. the women aren't as picky. the guys aren't as thirsty.

gen z women are a lost cause. those from age 28 and above are already infected with the woke mind virus, but those younger - there is hope. if you notice, most videos complaining about men are from older gen z women. the younger the women, the more appreciative of men.. they are starting to notice that if they dont shape up, they will be like the gen z wine ladies.

 

[zekko]

That's one explanation. Another, which was discussed here https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/individualism-its-21st-century-goal.284311/#post-3182607 Tribalism/Identity Politics enjoyed a resurgence beginning in the late 10s.

I do agree that tribalism/identity politics has been very divisive, or fractious as you put it, and are almost certainly a factor. But relations between the modern woman and man were at odds even preceding that. They have gotten worse since, however. I still think the problem goes back at least as far as The Pill.

 

[Clockwerk50]

That's one explanation. Another, which was discussed here https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/individualism-its-21st-century-goal.284311/#post-3182607 Tribalism/Identity Politics enjoyed a resurgence beginning in the late 10s. Subsequently, relations between EVERY demographic has been more fractious than usual

One group of fundamentalists complaining about another group of fundamentalists makes you wonder how calm the world would be without fundamentalists.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I do agree that tribalism/identity politics has been very divisive, or fractious as you put it, and are almost certainly a factor. But relations between the modern woman and man were at odds even preceding that

Yeah, since the beginning of our species

 

[BaronOfHair]

One group of fundamentalists complaining about another group of fundamentalists makes you wonder how calm the world would be without fundamentalists.

Sadly, "fundamentalism" FEELS good in the short term, therefore most folks gravitate towards that. Discomfort is frequently generated, by being honest enough to admit: "My current beliefs likely ARE NOT incontrovertible truths... They were created by human beings, therefore they're almost certainly flawed in some way"

 

[Hoodie]

yes, you can go back. The vehicle for this is Darwinism. The moderm women are not reproducing. Muslim women are... Buddhist women are... Christian women are...

Look at london... look at cities with large Mormon populations.. look at Poland (iirc). give it a bit and feminism will die... women who think they are better than everyone else, will die off.
idealogy that makes women not reproduce, will die off because their believers don't reproduce. look at the younger generation. most are conservative leaning, and a lot of them don't believe in feminism.

I think the progeny that will buck the girl power idea is just starting out. they are in highschool or just starting college. they have a whole new mind set. the women aren't as picky. the guys aren't as thirsty.

gen z women are a lost cause. those from age 28 and above are already infected with the woke mind virus, but those younger - there is hope. if you notice, most videos complaining about men are from older gen z women. the younger the women, the more appreciative of men.. they are starting to notice that if they dont shape up, they will be like the gen z wine ladies.

Yeah starting to notice that, especially young people are waking up. And it's about time.
The provider - nurturer / protector - protected dynamic is the natural dynamic that works.
And we have seen the consequences now of trying to reverse the natural way.

 

[zekko]

Yeah, since the beginning of our species

I'm sure there have been problems since the beginning. A certain amount of tension is probably in the recipe for attraction, I'm guessing. But the real issue over the last hundred years has been the changing gender roles - feminism, the increasing cost of raising a family, often requiring two incomes to run a household, the emphasis on the individual, politics, etc.

 

[BaronOfHair]

But the real issue over the last hundred years has been the changing gender roles - feminism, the increasing cost of raising a family, often requiring two incomes to run a household, the emphasis on the individual, politics, etc.

Those factors you mention are the equivalent of the open-air drug market that exists a few blocks down the street from a dope fiend:

Added complications that overlay the core trouble... No one ENJOYS experiencing emotional discomfort, therefore the temptation to "numb out" is reflexive. In a similar fashion, men and wome ARE biologically different, thus conflict between both "tribes" is inevitable

 

[Manure Spherian]

I have a feeling that the real underlying issue between men and women today, stem from the fact that women are working, and have to harden their hearts and be more masculine in order to survive and manage the work environment?

Oh, forgot to address this. This is a problem. The way to correct it would be to disallow men to compete on equal footing with men in the workplace. And that’s not going to happen in the cucked West anytime soon. Even men who complain about this issue are scared of the solution.

“Bro. Do you wanna be like da Middle East?”