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General consensus on this "looksmaxxing" trend

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maybe because im younger but where Im from (the midwest), i feel like competition is a lot higher at least in the towns i am in. like people here are super tall and i swear they are quite attractive. I feel like I am a 3-4 at best and these guys are pretty good looking themselves in some way.
Well if YOU believe you a 3 then that's what you are. I think I'm a perfect 10. Took me MANY years ,but now IDGAF about what the next woman let alone man think of me. What they eat won't make me shyte. It's my world and I’ve decided that I'm a ten, period.

Objectively a 3 would be: a 70 plus y.o man who is a midget, burned his face, has no teeth, rocks old and dirty clothes and is obese.

Seriously tho;at some point you gotta understand that Gamisch( me) is just a mere projection on your screem ..maybe I'm a bot .I close my phone and forget about you. Still YOU gotta live with YOURSELF 24/7. .Even a woman can fix your self esteem temporarily. If she's gone, you'll be back to square one..so you better like your damn self!


You can and must lookmaxxx but keep it realistic. You can start by trying to lift 225 pounds( 100 kilo) and see how that will change your body. You can study fashion and dress more sharply. You can be more social and be nice to other people in general.

Im not a big fan of operating on oneself but it's a perfect possible thing to do. It's kinda like painting rotten qood; looks good for some time but if the inside is messes up it will come to the surface sooner or later...
 

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Well if YOU believe you a 3 then that's what you are. I think I'm a perfect 10. Took me MANY years ,but now IDGAF about what the next woman let alone man think of me. What they eat won't make me shyte. It's my world and I’ve decided that I'm a ten, period.

Objectively a 3 would be: a 70 plus y.o man who is a midget, burned his face, has no teeth, rocks old and dirty clothes and is obese.

Seriously tho;at some point you gotta understand that Gamisch( me) is just a mere projection on your screem ..maybe I'm a bot .I close my phone and forget about you. Still YOU gotta live with YOURSELF 24/7. .Even a woman can fix your self esteem temporarily. If she's gone, you'll be back to square one..so you better like your damn self!


You can and must lookmaxxx but keep it realistic. You can start by trying to lift 225 pounds( 100 kilo) and see how that will change your body. You can study fashion and dress more sharply. You can be more social and be nice to other people in general.

Im not a big fan of operating on oneself but it's a perfect possible thing to do. It's kinda like painting rotten qood; looks good for some time but if the inside is messes up it will come to the surface sooner or later...
I don't want to be rude, but this is analogous with the law of attraction, which is a concept that I don't fundamentally believe in. Confidence itself cannot come from simply nothing, it has to come from repeated successes in which you were able to consistently perform well. I believe I am a 3 because, whenever I am with girls, I'm not able to illicit any flirty conversations that actually can lead towards an attraction to occur, but along with that the environment I am in has some extremely good looking men from an objective level (tall people with above average collagen (skin), and decent bodily anatomy), so the average level of attractiveness in my area is pretty darn high. On top of that, the girls that I am around aren't immediately attracted to me and I have been called ugly to my face.


I guess me and you have different interpretations of what a "3" is, because in my honest opinion, a "3" is someone that is below average in looks in terms of a variety of factors that aren't worth mentioning to this query alone. Also consider the fact that I am younger than you probably so there are likely more attractive people around me than there are around you, simply because youth is on my side.
 

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I don't want to be rude, but this is analogous with the law of attraction, which is a concept that I don't fundamentally believe in. Confidence itself cannot come from simply nothing, it has to come from repeated successes in which you were able to consistently perform well. I believe I am a 3 because, whenever I am with girls, I'm not able to illicit any flirty conversations that actually can lead towards an attraction to occur, but along with that the environment I am in has some extremely good looking men from an objective level (tall people with above average collagen (skin), and decent bodily anatomy), so the average level of attractiveness in my area is pretty darn high. On top of that, the girls that I am around aren't immediately attracted to me and I have been called ugly to my face.


I guess me and you have different interpretations of what a "3" is, because in my honest opinion, a "3" is someone that is below average in looks in terms of a variety of factors that aren't worth mentioning to this query alone. Also consider the fact that I am younger than you probably so there are likely more attractive people around me than there are around you, simply because youth is on my side.
Seems like " youth" is rather beating you down then being on your side innit???

To address your fiest sentence: it's a chicken egg dilemma. You need succes to feel confident, while you also need confidence to be successful....somewhere YOU gotta break whatever negative pattern you're in.

And here's the kicker; a 3 or whatever number.can still be a objective. You might FEEL like 3, but when you see a picture of yourself in ten years you'll realize you weren't a 3 at all...

if I say that I'm a ten it's not due to my competition being less or more it's because I believe I'm perfectly fine as I am. That's what I'm trying to tell you. It has nothing to do with any other man. Because those men are nothing but extras in MY movie where I am the protagonist. You can be Asian and say "if I was white" but white dude will say " if only I was black"

I would read that post I made like 10 times and internalize it thoroughly. And the clock goes tick...tock...tick...tock.
 

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I believe I am a 3 because, whenever I am with girls, I'm not able to illicit any flirty conversations that actually can lead towards an attraction to occur, but along with that the environment I am in has some extremely good looking men from an objective level (tall people with above average collagen (skin), and decent bodily anatomy), so the average level of attractiveness in my area is pretty darn high. On top of that, the girls that I am around aren't immediately attracted to me and I have been called ugly to my face.
To add to what @Gamisch said above: you down rate yourself to a 3 partly because you're not able to do flirty conversations, but to an outside observer those guys you look up to probably appear like clowns or entertainers. Trying hard to impress the girls. That's not a position you want to be in, If you're more introverted, the strong silent type, that doesn't make you a 3. On the contrary, many women prefer exactly that kind of man.
This is just an oversimplification, a tangent, and a misrepresentation of my argument. My point was simply that men shouldn’t feel stigmatized for improving their appearance.
Improving appearance can mean a lot of things and my point was that crossing a line transforms one from a man into a toyboy. Even those popular and wide spread interventions such as hair implants most of the times (IMO) are a waste because if before the guy was a beta, after he's still a beta with implanted hair. He might look even more beta, if the operation is not successful (think Wayne Rooney).
 

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To add to what @Gamisch said above: you down rate yourself to a 3 partly because you're not able to do flirty conversations, but to an outside observer those guys you look up to probably appear like clowns or entertainers. Trying hard to impress the girls. That's not a position you want to be in, If you're more introverted, the strong silent type, that doesn't make you a 3. On the contrary, many women prefer exactly that kind of man.

Improving appearance can mean a lot of things and my point was that crossing a line transforms one from a man into a toyboy. Even those popular and wide spread interventions such as hair implants most of the times (IMO) are a waste because if before the guy was a beta, after he's still a beta with implanted hair. He might look even more beta, if the operation is not successful (think Wayne Rooney).
About the hair transplant: on top of what you e said ,when a man starts balding he'll probably go bald more and more as time passes. So you fix one part, pay up, and within a short period of time you'll have to do another part of your head. It's literally running behind the facts.


Best to accept the facts for what they are.
 

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Improving appearance can mean a lot of things and my point was that crossing a line transforms one from a man into a toyboy. Even those popular and wide spread interventions such as hair implants most of the times (IMO) are a waste because if before the guy was a beta, after he's still a beta with implanted hair. He might look even more beta, if the operation is not successful (think Wayne Rooney).
You’re confusing improving appearance with changing a man’s personality, and earlier you reduced it to money. Improving your looks won’t fix a weak man, but there’s no reason a high valued man shouldn’t optimize how he looks.
 

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Thank you so much. For ref im around 20 years of age (in college, big uni) and I guess from the way you are framing it, I feel sort of more confident knowing that older woman prioritize more characteristics rather than just looks (I will try me absolute hardest to improve them in any way possible, including surgery, but I feel as though at some point im going to be capped especially in terms of height as I am only 5'10, so I'm looking at this from a long term perspective and I think its easier to obtain certain other characteristics that you mentioned not only just looks)

I guess you answered it already but as for looks, but do younger woman only prioritize looks for hooking up? Like how much does it play into getting girls for hooking up and short-term relationships? How much does confidence play? I was thinking of getting into the djing before as well, do you think thats a strong method to meet girls or are there other ways that I should consider
Younger women still require the same foundational traits in a man that older women do, albeit on a smaller scale, because the same parameters are needed to inspire desire.

For a younger woman, appearance is important, but a man still needs to have some level of resources (e.g., a car in high school or his own place/room in university). He still needs to be part of, and respected within, a social group (e.g., admired by peers, invited to parties, seen as a leader, or someone others look up to). He should also represent something somewhat fantastical or aspirational (like being a jock, musician, the popular guy, etc.), and there should be a bit of uncertainty, like some anxiety or the sense, that he might not always be available.

I don’t have an exact ratio, but like I said, your overall “grade” depends on those factors. the particular woman you’re dealing with, and her current needs.

Also in general, as I get older, are looks as still of an important factor into getting woman when things like status and money are starting to be apart of the picture more? How does the landscape change particularly, at least in your experience?

Also I've been thinking about it for a while, but in regards to point #2 that you are making I feel like that applies more towards like the 25-29 age range as that's typically the range that you will see woman start looking for long-term relationships right? I don't typically hear or see like woman pursuing men for hookups that are close to my age at least with the thought in there head that "oh yeah, im going to have sex with him and hopefully he might stay long term because he has a lot of money". It's more so hes good looking and confident, but I think I mentioned this before but is that enough to stay in the game once you start dating woman around the 25-29 age range lol
Technically, when a woman really wants you, she will start trying to seduce you. In the community, we usually call this high interest. She’ll text you often, do nice things for you, compliment you, and speak positively about you to others. Like I said before, the main goal for a woman who truly wants you is usually to secure the relationship.

As for your ONS question, they are generally more emotionally driven, often fueled by lust, the moment, and plausible deniability. It’s true that you need to be in the right place at the right time, but you also need to know how to act in those situations for it to happen. I tend to disagree with the notion that girls just go out to “see what happens.” On some level, they usually know what they want. Maybe she just broke up with her boyfriend, or she’s bored and lonely in a new city. It could be that she’s traveling and looking for something spontaneous, and the cute guy she’s flirting with, having fun with, and sharing a positive experience with might seal the deal. Whatever the reason, don’t dither. Once she gets what she wants from one man, the opportunity is gone, so you need to recognize the signs and move quickly.

One major lesson many guys have to learn is that women want sex too, and sometimes they just want to hook up and be done with it.

Keep in mind, though, there’s only a limited amount of satisfaction in doing only ONS. It’s still a good idea to keep a few plates around so you’re not putting all your focus on just one option.
 
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This is just an oversimplification, a tangent, and a misrepresentation of my argument. My point was simply that men shouldn’t feel stigmatized for improving their appearance.



I think you need to elaborate on what types of things you’re referring to. As long as you don’t do things that are permanent or a pain to reverse, like tattoos, plucking your eyebrows, extreme/cheap cosmetic procedures, or anything that drastically alters your natural look, you should be fine.

Sadly, Father Time is undefeated, so in a couple of years you’ll start to show your age regardless of what you do through your tastes, vicabulary, hairline, energy level, and the way you carry yourself. I already hear about things like the “67,” “Skibidi Toilet,” mumble rap, or broccoli haircut trends, and they’re already far beyond my maturity level.


The only advice I can give is to adjust to your environment, don’t let time pass you by, be aware of the type of women you can realistically attract based on your SMV, and consider the law of diminishing marginal returns. For example, if you spend months chasing minor appearance tweaks that only give tiny gains, you’re wasting time you could invest in bigger-impact areas like money, education, social skills, experience hooking up with women that want
Also in general, as I get older, are looks as still of an important factor into getting woman when things like status and money are starting to be apart of the picture more? How does the landscape change particularly, at least in your experience?

Also I've been thinking about it for a while, but in regards to point #2 that you are making I feel like that applies more towards like the 25-29 age range as that's typically the range that you will see woman start looking for long-term relationships right? I don't typically hear or see like woman pursuing men for hookups that are close to my age at least with the thought in there head that "oh yeah, im going to have sex with him and hopefully he might stay long term because he has a lot of money". It's more so hes good looking and confident, but I think I mentioned this before but is that enough to stay in the game once you start dating woman around the 25-29 age range lol
even when older. Looks still matter. A lot.
 

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even when older. Looks still matter. A lot.
yea i know im just scared that im going to hit a peak that my looks won't be able to get past a certain point. Obviously I need to get to that point in the first place but looks matter a lot though i agree
 
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