“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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7 Years on SoSuave: 7 Tips for Newcomers

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Hello gentlemen,
I haven't been too active on here lately and was randomly browsing the forum when I noticed that yesterday (Feb 4) was my 7th year anniversary here on the forum. Inspired by this realization, I decided to off the top of my head come up with a quick list of 7 tips that I feel would help the newer members of the forum when it comes to dating and navigating women (whilst serving as a reminder or refresher to the rest).

The following tips have been forged through both educating myself with the wisdom of the SoSuave forum as well as applying the following tips in the field over the past 7 years...

Without further adieu,


[ Tip #1 - Build rapport. Escalate. Repeat. ]

Building rapport with a woman before escalating should become second nature to you when it comes to dating, however this is something many newcomers struggle with for one reason or another.

To build rapport with someone is to develop a mutual affinity with them through shared understanding and communication. Natural ways to build rapport include banter, sharing common interests, empathetic listening, connecting & relating your own ideas to theirs, and even simply spending time & sharing experiences together. Building rapport with a woman allows her to gain trust and become comfortable in your presence. She in turn begins to let her guard down (specifically the anti-slut defense) and she will be more receptive to your attempts at escalation

To escalate means to increase rapidly or to become more intense. In the context of dating, escalating means taking a course of action that is the next rational step towards your ultimate goal with a woman (usually sex). Here's just a quick example of step-by-step escalation: initiate an interaction with a woman, set up a date & ask her out, meet up with her, turn the conversation into banter, close your physical proximity with her, light platonic touch/kino, hug, kiss, light caressing, making out, taking her to a location where sex can happen, foreplay, and finally sex. Obviously the time between steps can vary from a few seconds to a few dates, and each step may require a new level of rapport to be built in order to be a successful escalation, hence the repeat part.

Proper escalation requires some rapport to be established first, as well as some social calibration. It is a skill you can hone to be able to read the situation and act accordingly. Skilled men are aware when enough rapport has been built and know when they can escalate to the next step with success.

Building rapport increases the chances that your attempts to escalate will succeed. However, the key part is the attempt to escalate. A woman's interest level and attraction to you is intrinsically tied to her receptivity & warmth towards you when you attempt to escalate. In other words, when you attempt to escalate you force a woman's hand to reveal how she feels about you in that particular moment. Is she receptive to your advances? If yes, then great. If no, either you're either moving too fast (not enough rapport; reading the vibe incorrectly; lacking social adroitness) or she's just not interested. What's important if she isn't receptive is her warmth, it spells out the difference between you moving too fast and you dealing with an uninterested woman.

Attempting to escalate solves the majority of newbie questions that revolve around "Does she like me?" and "What does she see me as?".
If you want to figure out where you stand with a woman, ESCALATE.


[ Tip #2 - If she's into you, she'll help you out. If she's not, you'll receive mixed signals and be confused. ]

Girls who are interested in you and attracted to you will make things easier for you. They are more receptive to your attempts to escalate and often require less rapport at each step of escalation. They are enthusiastic and available when you try to make plans with them, and if they genuinely are busy, they WILL find time to fit you in somewhere. Uninterested girls will just give you excuses instead.

If a chick is giving you mixed signals (especially after you've taken her on a date or two), she has LOW interest and is just using you for attention & validation. Read and re-read that again.


[ Tip #3 - Put the advice you receive here into practice. ]

There's nothing wrong with learning theory, but experience is the best teacher.

Apply and field test the veracity of the advice you receive here. Many members here like to discuss game, women, dating, and the psychology behind it all, without actually applying anything they've learned... Or they are too concerned with debating the validity of everybody's advice instead of field testing it. Don't be that guy!

What's the point of reading one new self-development book every week for a year if you never take the time to apply it? Same goes with this forum. Don't get stuck in the trap of collecting theory without ever taking the time to integrate it into your life.

Reminder: Advice on SoSuave is not one-size-fits-all. Some of it that works for others won't work for you and vice-versa. Field test it.

Just keep doing what works for you, and disregard what doesn't. Simple.


[ Tip #4 ] - Cultivate and practice what I call the Three C's.

The following traits are largely intangible but they manifest themselves in the way a man carries himself, and they amplify his attractiveness tenfold:

Confidence:
Confidence is a cornerstone of good game. It's a force multiplier. A self-assured man is an attractive man. Not much generates raw sexual desire more than confidence does.
Develop competence in all arenas of life and know who you are. Confidence will follow.
If you don't have it, fake it til you make it.

Charisma:
Develop a charming personality that captivates everyone you interact with. There are many ways to exhibit charisma, so do your own research into the different kinds of charisma and find which one you could most naturally emanate if you practice it. James Bond, Russell Brand, Dwayne Johnson, Tom Hardy, Conor McGregor, Andrew Tate, and Chris Pratt are all charismatic in different ways.

Composure:
You'll stand out from the crowd if you can be the calm and composed one in situations where most other people lose their cool. Think James Bond. Always calm, cool, and collected. It's unattractive for a man to be overly reactive to his emotions like a chick would. Be in control. One way to develop that sense of inner calm is through meditation. Another way is to expose yourself to situations that make you nervous or react emotionally, examples being public speaking, cold approaching women, and military type training.

I may create a separate thread elaborating on these "C's" in the future because I think they're very important tools to have in your arsenal, not just in dating, but life in general.


[ Tip #5 - Remember: Your girl isn't special. Every single chick you date, plate, or wife up is subject to be replaced or dismissed if need be. ]

Sorry to break it to you, but unfortunately you didn't meet the one girl who is the exception. If you think otherwise, you have one-nitus. A girl may be rare or unique, hell she might even have all the attributes of a "unicorn", but that doesn't mean she's irreplaceable.

Often guys will become infatuated with a hot girl after they sleep with her – or maybe they locked up a unicorn in an LTR – and they obsess with the idea that she is "different", then become complacent and behave as if she is special and that game & female psychology suddenly no longer applies to her. These guys always learn the hard way, but we have ALL been there at one point or another, and that is likely why we ended up on this forum to begin with.

Don't forget the emotional experience that brought you here.


[ Tip #6 - Silence & Distance is a powerful tool. Learn when and how to use it. ]

@guru1000's thread on Silence & Distance can be read here if you're not familiar with the concept. The thread is a gold mine for the topic. Read it.

Silence & Distance leads naturally into the next tip...


[ Tip #7 - Never be afraid to walk away. ]

Admit when you have a losing hand and fold. We all have multiple instances where we held onto a relationship much longer than we should have, and we all know how that ended up.

A lot of the previous tips relate to this one:
- If she is giving you mixed signals, walk away. (Tip #2)
- Put the advice you received into practice, walk away. (Tip #3)
- It takes confidence to walk away and know you'll be okay. (Tip #4)
- Your girl ain't special nor irreplaceable. Walk away. (Tip #5)

Walking away from an undesirable situation is probably the most powerful thing you can do. Can you do it if need be?

Thought experiment: Try imagining right now initiating breaking it off with a plate, a girlfriend or your wife, just to prove that you can. Perhaps this is a girl you particularly like and enjoy spending time with -- let's say she didn't even do anything "wrong" per se. Notice any hesitation, or if you rationalize why you shouldn't. Notice the tendency to cling to a person, to a relationship, to a feeling, or to an idea.

"Never get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."


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Gentlemen, I'd finally like to end with and point out that dating, relationships, sex, and women should only be a complement to your life, not the core that everything else revolves around. Find out your purpose and what a meaningful life looks like to you, and I wish you all the best of luck in achieving that life. Cheers. :up:
 

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I read some threads today where I was going to add my input, but each time as I wrote my response I caught myself beginning to regurgitate one of the tips I had already written here. Thought it would just be easier to bump this thread.


Due to the threads I've read lately (and as a reminder to myself), I want to emphasis the last 3 tips, which are intertwined:

Tip #5 - Remember: Your girl isn't special. Every single chick you date, plate, or wife up is subject to be replaced or dismissed if need be.

Tip #6 - Silence & Distance is a powerful tool. Learn when and how to use it.

Tip #7 - Never be afraid to walk away.


Many situations in the threads I've read would be solved or handled by implementing these 3 tips alone.


You can implement them now in 3 steps,

1) Remind yourself that the girl you're dating, and whose red flags you've ignored, isn't a unicorn and is indeed replaceable.

2) Apply Silence & Distance when encountering repeated undesirable behaviour.

3) If her behaviour doesn't improve, walk away.
 

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I joined SoSuave on February 4, 2016.
That was 10 freakin' years ago.
3 years ago today I posted this thread.
Wow, does time sure fly by...


After re-reading the 7 tips in this thread, I really do think they are all indispensable for any newcomer looking to immediately improve his dating life. These tips still hold true for me today, and I do them quite naturally at this point in my life.

If you are a newcomer, and you do not have any framework to navigate the current dating landscape, then you are setting yourself up for failure and to be repeatedly disappointed. So use these 7 tips as a framework to help guide your decision making when it comes to women and dating.

Good luck gentleman.
 

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#8: Status and social embedding reign supreme and trump looks and hard work.
 

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I will hit 10 yrs in 2 more months. Time flies when youre having fun.
And all good advice in this thread. Just be careful on who to take advice from on here. Some are clueless and its the blind leading the blind on occasion!
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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20 for me. I had to look at my profile because I couldn't remember. That was so long ago that the girl I joined over was on a Christian dating site with no picture and ended up being smoking hot. It was a different world.
 

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Hello gentlemen,
I haven't been too active on here lately and was randomly browsing the forum when I noticed that yesterday (Feb 4) was my 7th year anniversary here on the forum. Inspired by this realization, I decided to off the top of my head come up with a quick list of 7 tips that I feel would help the newer members of the forum when it comes to dating and navigating women (whilst serving as a reminder or refresher to the rest).

The following tips have been forged through both educating myself with the wisdom of the SoSuave forum as well as applying the following tips in the field over the past 7 years...

Without further adieu,


[ Tip #1 - Build rapport. Escalate. Repeat. ]

Building rapport with a woman before escalating should become second nature to you when it comes to dating, however this is something many newcomers struggle with for one reason or another.

To build rapport with someone is to develop a mutual affinity with them through shared understanding and communication. Natural ways to build rapport include banter, sharing common interests, empathetic listening, connecting & relating your own ideas to theirs, and even simply spending time & sharing experiences together. Building rapport with a woman allows her to gain trust and become comfortable in your presence. She in turn begins to let her guard down (specifically the anti-slut defense) and she will be more receptive to your attempts at escalation

To escalate means to increase rapidly or to become more intense. In the context of dating, escalating means taking a course of action that is the next rational step towards your ultimate goal with a woman (usually sex). Here's just a quick example of step-by-step escalation: initiate an interaction with a woman, set up a date & ask her out, meet up with her, turn the conversation into banter, close your physical proximity with her, light platonic touch/kino, hug, kiss, light caressing, making out, taking her to a location where sex can happen, foreplay, and finally sex. Obviously the time between steps can vary from a few seconds to a few dates, and each step may require a new level of rapport to be built in order to be a successful escalation, hence the repeat part.

Proper escalation requires some rapport to be established first, as well as some social calibration. It is a skill you can hone to be able to read the situation and act accordingly. Skilled men are aware when enough rapport has been built and know when they can escalate to the next step with success.

Building rapport increases the chances that your attempts to escalate will succeed. However, the key part is the attempt to escalate. A woman's interest level and attraction to you is intrinsically tied to her receptivity & warmth towards you when you attempt to escalate. In other words, when you attempt to escalate you force a woman's hand to reveal how she feels about you in that particular moment. Is she receptive to your advances? If yes, then great. If no, either you're either moving too fast (not enough rapport; reading the vibe incorrectly; lacking social adroitness) or she's just not interested. What's important if she isn't receptive is her warmth, it spells out the difference between you moving too fast and you dealing with an uninterested woman.

Attempting to escalate solves the majority of newbie questions that revolve around "Does she like me?" and "What does she see me as?".
If you want to figure out where you stand with a woman, ESCALATE.


[ Tip #2 - If she's into you, she'll help you out. If she's not, you'll receive mixed signals and be confused. ]

Girls who are interested in you and attracted to you will make things easier for you. They are more receptive to your attempts to escalate and often require less rapport at each step of escalation. They are enthusiastic and available when you try to make plans with them, and if they genuinely are busy, they WILL find time to fit you in somewhere. Uninterested girls will just give you excuses instead.

If a chick is giving you mixed signals (especially after you've taken her on a date or two), she has LOW interest and is just using you for attention & validation. Read and re-read that again.


[ Tip #3 - Put the advice you receive here into practice. ]

There's nothing wrong with learning theory, but experience is the best teacher.

Apply and field test the veracity of the advice you receive here. Many members here like to discuss game, women, dating, and the psychology behind it all, without actually applying anything they've learned... Or they are too concerned with debating the validity of everybody's advice instead of field testing it. Don't be that guy!

What's the point of reading one new self-development book every week for a year if you never take the time to apply it? Same goes with this forum. Don't get stuck in the trap of collecting theory without ever taking the time to integrate it into your life.

Reminder: Advice on SoSuave is not one-size-fits-all. Some of it that works for others won't work for you and vice-versa. Field test it.

Just keep doing what works for you, and disregard what doesn't. Simple.


[ Tip #4 ] - Cultivate and practice what I call the Three C's.

The following traits are largely intangible but they manifest themselves in the way a man carries himself, and they amplify his attractiveness tenfold:

Confidence:
Confidence is a cornerstone of good game. It's a force multiplier. A self-assured man is an attractive man. Not much generates raw sexual desire more than confidence does.
Develop competence in all arenas of life and know who you are. Confidence will follow.
If you don't have it, fake it til you make it.

Charisma:
Develop a charming personality that captivates everyone you interact with. There are many ways to exhibit charisma, so do your own research into the different kinds of charisma and find which one you could most naturally emanate if you practice it. James Bond, Russell Brand, Dwayne Johnson, Tom Hardy, Conor McGregor, Andrew Tate, and Chris Pratt are all charismatic in different ways.

Composure:
You'll stand out from the crowd if you can be the calm and composed one in situations where most other people lose their cool. Think James Bond. Always calm, cool, and collected. It's unattractive for a man to be overly reactive to his emotions like a chick would. Be in control. One way to develop that sense of inner calm is through meditation. Another way is to expose yourself to situations that make you nervous or react emotionally, examples being public speaking, cold approaching women, and military type training.

I may create a separate thread elaborating on these "C's" in the future because I think they're very important tools to have in your arsenal, not just in dating, but life in general.


[ Tip #5 - Remember: Your girl isn't special. Every single chick you date, plate, or wife up is subject to be replaced or dismissed if need be. ]

Sorry to break it to you, but unfortunately you didn't meet the one girl who is the exception. If you think otherwise, you have one-nitus. A girl may be rare or unique, hell she might even have all the attributes of a "unicorn", but that doesn't mean she's irreplaceable.

Often guys will become infatuated with a hot girl after they sleep with her – or maybe they locked up a unicorn in an LTR – and they obsess with the idea that she is "different", then become complacent and behave as if she is special and that game & female psychology suddenly no longer applies to her. These guys always learn the hard way, but we have ALL been there at one point or another, and that is likely why we ended up on this forum to begin with.

Don't forget the emotional experience that brought you here.


[ Tip #6 - Silence & Distance is a powerful tool. Learn when and how to use it. ]

@guru1000's thread on Silence & Distance can be read here if you're not familiar with the concept. The thread is a gold mine for the topic. Read it.

Silence & Distance leads naturally into the next tip...


[ Tip #7 - Never be afraid to walk away. ]

Admit when you have a losing hand and fold. We all have multiple instances where we held onto a relationship much longer than we should have, and we all know how that ended up.

A lot of the previous tips relate to this one:
- If she is giving you mixed signals, walk away. (Tip #2)
- Put the advice you received into practice, walk away. (Tip #3)
- It takes confidence to walk away and know you'll be okay. (Tip #4)
- Your girl ain't special nor irreplaceable. Walk away. (Tip #5)

Walking away from an undesirable situation is probably the most powerful thing you can do. Can you do it if need be?

Thought experiment: Try imagining right now initiating breaking it off with a plate, a girlfriend or your wife, just to prove that you can. Perhaps this is a girl you particularly like and enjoy spending time with -- let's say she didn't even do anything "wrong" per se. Notice any hesitation, or if you rationalize why you shouldn't. Notice the tendency to cling to a person, to a relationship, to a feeling, or to an idea.

"Never get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around
Everything was good and than you choose Heat reference ! Fxck you - movie is shxt
 

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Great post, in line and in agreement with your thoughts here.
One thing I can't seem to balance is number 5.
When you love that person, you turn a blind eye to their flaws. You balance the positive and the negative, and you create a mix.

No one's perfect, and what you say, walking away, is what you do when you begin to realize that the balance is becoming too negative, or that something irreparable has happened, even if the relationship is still standing.
You also say that unicorns don't exist and that people should always keep their eyes open.

As a man, always keeping your eyes open never makes you lower your defenses, or become vulnerable with women, but it makes you controlling. I do invite everyone to relax and let go, so that your nervous system can rest, in their presence. One thing I've started doing is rejecting all women who make my nervous system go haywire, or give me anxiety. A relationship is a place of peace and serenity, discovery, curiosity, and a desire to get to know the other person. I don't know how to explain it, but the more you see that person, the more you want to get to know them, talk to them, be with them.
It's not a matter of oneitis; if you're aware that they're behaving badly or have red flags, you need to move on.

I think all your advice is valid, yet, in the end, it ends up being too "controlling" and not letting go of your nervous system and truly understanding whether this person's presence in your life has calming and positive effects on you, or quite the opposite.
So it's not "mixed signals" or "hot and cold" but rather "is this person making my life better, happier, or the contrary, vs me being alone?"

A woman's beauty is truly nothing compared to a relationship wellbeign.
And I think that for healthy women, the same thing is said about us men.
 

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Great post, in line and in agreement with your thoughts here.
One thing I can't seem to balance is number 5.
When you love that person, you turn a blind eye to their flaws. You balance the positive and the negative, and you create a mix.

No one's perfect, and what you say, walking away, is what you do when you begin to realize that the balance is becoming too negative, or that something irreparable has happened, even if the relationship is still standing.
You also say that unicorns don't exist and that people should always keep their eyes open.

As a man, always keeping your eyes open never makes you lower your defenses, or become vulnerable with women, but it makes you controlling. I do invite everyone to relax and let go, so that your nervous system can rest, in their presence. One thing I've started doing is rejecting all women who make my nervous system go haywire, or give me anxiety. A relationship is a place of peace and serenity, discovery, curiosity, and a desire to get to know the other person. I don't know how to explain it, but the more you see that person, the more you want to get to know them, talk to them, be with them.
It's not a matter of oneitis; if you're aware that they're behaving badly or have red flags, you need to move on.

I think all your advice is valid, yet, in the end, it ends up being too "controlling" and not letting go of your nervous system and truly understanding whether this person's presence in your life has calming and positive effects on you, or quite the opposite.
So it's not "mixed signals" or "hot and cold" but rather "is this person making my life better, happier, or the contrary, vs me being alone?"

A woman's beauty is truly nothing compared to a relationship wellbeign.
And I think that for healthy women, the same thing is said about us men.
I don't think there is anything controlling about any of these tips at all. That is your interpretation.

These tips are meant to serve as a framework, specifically for newcomers.

I am not against vulnerability, but vulnerability comes after one has gained the experience, wisdom, and good discretion to know when to properly be vulnerable....

Unfortunately, vulnerability is best used strategically, rather than indiscriminately...

Too much vulnerability too soon and you push women away.
The same is true if you are never vulnerable, you end pushing (good) women away.
This does not mean when are you not being vulnerable that your nervous system is elevated, because if it is, you are either a) doing it wrong, b) have past traumas involving women that you are still not over, or c) your understanding of women and psychology is not rooted in reality, and as a result, your nervous system gets triggered when you expect your special woman to be a certain way and you get a reality check when she is not...
Ideally over time you become a man who has a realistic view of women while also developing a secure attachment style, and you find yourself a good woman. Of course no person is flawless, and there will always be compromise to some degree, that does not however mean that a newcomer should dispense with any one of these tips. Overcalibration is okay at the beginning, because over time the newcomer will gain experience, wisdom, and good discretion to know when to dial it back.


One thing I've started doing is rejecting all women who make my nervous system go haywire, or give me anxiety.
I do this too. I think this is great advice.
Healthy love develops relatively slowly, if you are experiencing a rollercoaster of emotions right off the bat then you are probably not in love, you instead are in obsession and have formed an attachment to an idealized version of an individual (of whom you probably barely know).
 

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Great post, in line and in agreement with your thoughts here.
One thing I can't seem to balance is number 5.
When you love that person, you turn a blind eye to their flaws. You balance the positive and the negative, and you create a mix.

No one's perfect, and what you say, walking away, is what you do when you begin to realize that the balance is becoming too negative, or that something irreparable has happened, even if the relationship is still standing.
You also say that unicorns don't exist and that people should always keep their eyes open.

As a man, always keeping your eyes open never makes you lower your defenses, or become vulnerable with women, but it makes you controlling. I do invite everyone to relax and let go, so that your nervous system can rest, in their presence. One thing I've started doing is rejecting all women who make my nervous system go haywire, or give me anxiety. A relationship is a place of peace and serenity, discovery, curiosity, and a desire to get to know the other person. I don't know how to explain it, but the more you see that person, the more you want to get to know them, talk to them, be with them.
It's not a matter of oneitis; if you're aware that they're behaving badly or have red flags, you need to move on.

I think all your advice is valid, yet, in the end, it ends up being too "controlling" and not letting go of your nervous system and truly understanding whether this person's presence in your life has calming and positive effects on you, or quite the opposite.
So it's not "mixed signals" or "hot and cold" but rather "is this person making my life better, happier, or the contrary, vs me being alone?"

A woman's beauty is truly nothing compared to a relationship wellbeign.
And I think that for healthy women, the same thing is said about us men.
Nice post. Your nervous system being in a “stillness” state is what attracts people, win business deals, land clients, allows you to be emotionally unreactive, etc.

Anyone who trips up your nervous system negatively affects your abundance in life.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I don't think there is anything controlling about any of these tips at all. That is your interpretation.

These tips are meant to serve as a framework, specifically for newcomers.

I am not against vulnerability, but vulnerability comes after one has gained the experience, wisdom, and good discretion to know when to properly be vulnerable....

Unfortunately, vulnerability is best used strategically, rather than indiscriminately...

Too much vulnerability too soon and you push women away.
The same is true if you are never vulnerable, you end pushing (good) women away.
This does not mean when are you not being vulnerable that your nervous system is elevated, because if it is, you are either a) doing it wrong, b) have past traumas involving women that you are still not over, or c) your understanding of women and psychology is not rooted in reality, and as a result, your nervous system gets triggered when you expect your special woman to be a certain way and you get a reality check when she is not...
Ideally over time you become a man who has a realistic view of women while also developing a secure attachment style, and you find yourself a good woman. Of course no person is flawless, and there will always be compromise to some degree, that does not however mean that a newcomer should dispense with any one of these tips. Overcalibration is okay at the beginning, because over time the newcomer will gain experience, wisdom, and good discretion to know when to dial it back.




I do this too. I think this is great advice.
Healthy love develops relatively slowly, if you are experiencing a rollercoaster of emotions right off the bat then you are probably not in love, you instead are in obsession and have formed an attachment to an idealized version of an individual (of whom you probably barely know).
Great post. Vulnerablity by the man must be earned by the woman. And even then used sparingly. It is highly effective in small doses. Read: very small.
 
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