Jefferies V Mystery

[BaronOfHair]

https://www.youtube.com/live/BnjWswrCrro?si=ksv1_ZhLfWi6rYug

Anyone who doubts these "systems" being much more similar than different need look no further

 

[Bokanovsky]

A guy in a furry hat talking about the "FORESKIN" method...this has got to be a comedy skit.

 

[BaronOfHair]

A guy in a furry hat talking about the "FORESKIN" method...this has got to be a comedy skit.

Loudly and often as yesteryear's self-identifying PUAs and today's Red Pillers assert "We're nothing alike", they're united by an insatiable hard-on for communicating almost exclusively in buzzword salad. That no one has pointed out the similarities between the manner in which these fellas speak and Corporate People

Is nothing less than a tragedy

 

[zekko]

https://www.youtube.com/live/BnjWswrCrro?si=ksv1_ZhLfWi6rYug

Anyone who doubts these "systems" being much more similar than different need look no further

That's interesting, but it's a long video. I watched a little bit of it and I was fascinated by their back and forth, and disagreement. I tended to agree with Jeffries more. Mystery has some good principles but I've always thought his approach was kind of bizarre and unnatural.

Edited to say: I notice most of the comments on the YouTube page seem to support Mystery, and that Jeffries comes off as rude and interrupting. I'd like to record the audio of this and listen to it as a podcast while doing chores, because it's very long.

 

[zekko]

I will say this for Mystery, he looks pretty young for 54. Jeffries is 67.

 

[BaronOfHair]

That's interesting, but it's a long video. I watched a little bit of it and I was fascinated by their back and forth, and disagreement. I tended to agree with Jeffries more. Mystery has some good principles but I've always thought his approach was kind of bizarre and unnatural.

Edited to say: I notice most of the comments on the YouTube page seem to support Mystery, and that Jeffries comes off as rude and interrupting. I'd like to record the audio of this and listen to it as a podcast while doing chores, because it's very long.

Yeah, I haven't listened to it all myself. From what I have heard, their disagreements are akin to Al Ellis and A.T. Beck's haggling over the way some of each other's ideas are worded, more so they are than the effectiveness of their respective approaches

 

[zekko]

Yeah, I haven't listened to it all myself. From what I have heard, their disagreements are akin to Al Ellis and A.T. Beck's haggling over the way some of each other's ideas are worded, more so they are than the effectiveness of their respective approaches

I'm sure both sides have their merits. Jeffries was talking about going to get a manicure, and I wondered about that because it seems like kind of a feminine thing to do. But I realized a bit later he talked about going to events where you could find women, like yoga events and chakra healings. He said he had no belief in that kind of thing, but he just went there because there were women there, and they weren't sausage fests. So that's probably why he goes to get manicures.

I don't really like the idea of going places you don't really want to go to just to get women, seems inauthentic to me.

 

[Tilex]

I'm sure both sides have their merits. Jeffries was talking about going to get a manicure, and I wondered about that because it seems like kind of a feminine thing to do. But I realized a bit later he talked about going to events where you could find women, like yoga events and chakra healings. He said he had no belief in that kind of thing, but he just went there because there were women there, and they weren't sausage fests. So that's probably why he goes to get manicures.

I don't really like the idea of going places you don't really want to go to just to get women, seems inauthentic to me.

It is inauthentic and a total parody.

Like that movie Wedding Crashers. The story is based on 2 single guys trying to hook up with women at Weddings. 1 character in the film was trying to hook up with women at Funerals.

I've read stories online in public forums about guys going to Vegan Meetup events to meet Vegan women. There's also tons of bad advice given online over the last two decades suggesting men should meet women at church.
That advice sounds really ancient to me. As if people were also suggesting this advice back in the Renaissance Era.

 

[zekko]

Like that movie Wedding Crashers. The story is based on 2 single guys trying to hook up with women at Weddings. 1 character in the film was trying to hook up with women at Funerals.

Well, in Wedding Crashers it wasn't so much inauthentic, because they did enjoy going to weddings. But it was outright deceitful. I wonder how true to life that was, because at a lot of the weddings I've been to, there was assigned seating for the dinner. I guess as long as you showed up after the dinner though, for the dancing, that would be okay. Funny how Vince Vaughn is in so much of these "pickup" movies, this one and Swingers. There's a scene in Wedding Crashers where he says he is a c0cksman, which is basically a term for a PUA bad boy.

I think going to church to meet women is fine, as long as you are a believer, and you are there foremost for worship.

I've watched a little more of the video, and I no longer think Jeffries has an advantage in the debate, he engages in a lot of psychobabble IMO. Although I agree with him where he says he doesn't like going to clubs, because he doesn't like dealing with crowds, noise, or drunk people. Mystery seems to be very extroverted and thrives on being the center of attention, being a performer (both as a PUA and a magician). I get the impression Jeffries was less interested in engaging large mixed sets (to use the language).