Do today women really want masculine men?

[Grifonculo]

I go out and approach women.


I’ve worked hard on building my masculinity and self-confidence, and because of that I attract a lot of women. They want my attention, they want me to approach them.


The problem is that when I do approach, many reject me in a very rude and narcissistic way. They don’t seem genuinely interested — they just want the attention and then push me away to get an ego boost.


Sometimes I even attract women who try to put me down constantly: they gossip behind my back, calling me “ridiculous” or an “idiot.” Some play manipulative games, like making me approach while their boyfriend is nearby, just to frame me as the “bad guy who tried.” That way, she gets validation and looks like the “good girl” who rejects the bad guy in front of her boyfriend.


These kinds of women are often surrounded by submissive “simp” men who do whatever they say, hoping for crumbs of attention. These men have become common — almost like guardians protecting narcissistic women. If I try to approach a woman, these men immediately act strange, labeling me as “dangerous” or “a manipulator.” They team up to sabotage my interactions, making me out to be the “predator who must be stopped.” They even get aggressive, isolating me in social environments.


So here’s where I’m at.


I built my self-confidence. I try to live with masculine energy. I go out, I approach, I do my best not to take rejection personally. I face my insecurities, push myself to be social. But after all this effort… what do I really get?

• Narcissistic, entitled women who try to put me down, play social games, and use me as a prop for their own attention and validation.
• Submissive “simp” men who sabotage and isolate me wherever I go — bars, clubs, restaurants, any social space.

Here in Italy (and honestly in much of Western society), approaching women has become like walking into a battlefield. It feels like a constant war, walking on eggshells. It’s turned into a toxic game that men can’t win — a system built to undermine masculine men and reward passive ones.


Sure, once in a while I meet a feminine, sweet woman — but it feels like one in a thousand. The odds are low, and even then, making something real happen is even harder.


So I’m asking you guys:


Does approaching women even make sense anymore? Society has brainwashed most women into seeing men as enemies to be put down, isolated, or defeated. Why should I keep approaching?


Honestly, I’m considering leaving Italy. Women here feel lost, corrupted by this mentality. Nothing seems to change.


So I genuinely ask: in which countries are women still raised to be feminine, kind, caring, and gentle toward men? I’ve heard about Japan and Russia.


I even think about some developing countries, but with the rise of tourism many women there have learned to exploit Western men as well.


So where in the world can a man still find good, genuine women?

 

[Clockwerk50]

Again, are you sure you’re not this guy? This account is also another Italian man who claimed to be good, gentle, and kind, and who complained that men tried to bring him down, while women expected him to approach them. However, when he did, they would bad-mouth him, act indifferent, and bring him down as well, causing him to lose reputation apparently.

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/members/alucard88cool-forum.165057/

Nonetheless, someone might be able to answer your question, but it’s important to realize that most people’s thoughts revolve around their daily concerns, insecurities, duties, and responsibilities, leaving little room for yours. Maybe your reality isn’t the same as the world’s reality. Expecting other men to simply give their women to a complete stranger off the street, someone who hasn’t been vetted yet, makes me think you might overestimate your social awareness.

Good luck.

 

[The Duke]

OP- you are the common denominator right? Maybe its the way you talk, how you make people feel, or what you say?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

OP- you are the common denominator right? Maybe its the way you talk, how you make people feel, or what you say?

I was gonna say the same thing.

No offense OP, but masculinity is much more about your personality and how you communicate, how you present yourself, how you truly see yourself in relation to the world etc.

It sounds like they are attracted to you at first, but then once you approach and they get to know you a bit more, they get turned off.

Just based on how you're describing their reaction, you sound a bit incongruent in your personality.

Maybe you're trying too hard, judging them too harshly (most can pick up on this), having too high expectations, not enough IDGAF attitude, not playful, laid back enough, too outcome dependent, etc.

Try not to care so much.

You can approach easily which is more than what most guys can do.

Just approach with the mindset of having fun no matter what happens.

Let go of expectations.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Does approaching women even make sense anymore? Society has brainwashed most women into seeing men as enemies to be put down, isolated, or defeated

Not the only does it not make sense to do so, but it's the ONLY way we're going to start demolishing the very same brainwashing you've mentioned. As has been noted elsewhere https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/this-place-has-gone-to-shyt.284546/page-9#post-3171154 , it wasn't all that long ago that our mindset was essentially:

"Prejudices and biases towards men exist, great... The way we look and behave out in public can DRAMATICALLY reduce both + Win converts among those who are hostile towards us"

Not surprisingly, those were days in which not only Feminism, but PC culture more generally were both considerably LESS influential than they've been for the past decade

 

[Bigpapa]

I go out and approach women.


I’ve worked hard on building my masculinity and self-confidence, and because of that I attract a lot of women. They want my attention, they want me to approach them.


The problem is that when I do approach, many reject me in a very rude and narcissistic way. They don’t seem genuinely interested — they just want the attention and then push me away to get an ego boost.


Sometimes I even attract women who try to put me down constantly: they gossip behind my back, calling me “ridiculous” or an “idiot.” Some play manipulative games, like making me approach while their boyfriend is nearby, just to frame me as the “bad guy who tried.” That way, she gets validation and looks like the “good girl” who rejects the bad guy in front of her boyfriend.


These kinds of women are often surrounded by submissive “simp” men who do whatever they say, hoping for crumbs of attention. These men have become common — almost like guardians protecting narcissistic women. If I try to approach a woman, these men immediately act strange, labeling me as “dangerous” or “a manipulator.” They team up to sabotage my interactions, making me out to be the “predator who must be stopped.” They even get aggressive, isolating me in social environments.


So here’s where I’m at.


I built my self-confidence. I try to live with masculine energy. I go out, I approach, I do my best not to take rejection personally. I face my insecurities, push myself to be social. But after all this effort… what do I really get?

• Narcissistic, entitled women who try to put me down, play social games, and use me as a prop for their own attention and validation.
• Submissive “simp” men who sabotage and isolate me wherever I go — bars, clubs, restaurants, any social space.

Here in Italy (and honestly in much of Western society), approaching women has become like walking into a battlefield. It feels like a constant war, walking on eggshells. It’s turned into a toxic game that men can’t win — a system built to undermine masculine men and reward passive ones.


Sure, once in a while I meet a feminine, sweet woman — but it feels like one in a thousand. The odds are low, and even then, making something real happen is even harder.


So I’m asking you guys:


Does approaching women even make sense anymore? Society has brainwashed most women into seeing men as enemies to be put down, isolated, or defeated. Why should I keep approaching?


Honestly, I’m considering leaving Italy. Women here feel lost, corrupted by this mentality. Nothing seems to change.


So I genuinely ask: in which countries are women still raised to be feminine, kind, caring, and gentle toward men? I’ve heard about Japan and Russia.


I even think about some developing countries, but with the rise of tourism many women there have learned to exploit Western men as well.


So where in the world can a man still find good, genuine women?

I feel you bro, it has to suck getting all of these negative feedback

but I do agree with the rest of the posters so far, maybe you are doing something wrong like maybe not being calibrated?

for example, when going to the girls you are way more intense that normally people would be in a a social environment, or maybe way too sexual from the get go ?

Italians can be a bit of ****heads and defensive, referring here to men, but at the same time if you only approach group of girls they are usually warm enough to not blow you harshly if they are really not attracted to you

 

[Beyond It]

They want what can be considered “toxic” masculinity. Not really the standard definition. But it’s a learned line between d@ck head and attractive. All those self improvement things don’t really generate a whole lot of desire. Looking down your nose at her will. But not in an insulting way. In a way a father may look at a daughter who is a little scandalous. His position is in charge but marginally disappointed.
Hard to explain. Most influencers, deep down know that a well put together man looses to the freak or damaged musician.
a well put together man is a prime boyfriend material type.
women who have had everything in a man will wreck things for a fling that doesn’t make any sense to us.

Be basic. Act dumb. Laugh at her. Tease her then ignore her. Withdraw your attention. Let her feel that she is mildly interesting.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

I go out and approach women.


I’ve worked hard on building my masculinity and self-confidence, and because of that I attract a lot of women. They want my attention, they want me to approach them.


The problem is that when I do approach, many reject me in a very rude and narcissistic way. They don’t seem genuinely interested — they just want the attention and then push me away to get an ego boost.


Sometimes I even attract women who try to put me down constantly: they gossip behind my back, calling me “ridiculous” or an “idiot.” Some play manipulative games, like making me approach while their boyfriend is nearby, just to frame me as the “bad guy who tried.” That way, she gets validation and looks like the “good girl” who rejects the bad guy in front of her boyfriend.


These kinds of women are often surrounded by submissive “simp” men who do whatever they say, hoping for crumbs of attention. These men have become common — almost like guardians protecting narcissistic women. If I try to approach a woman, these men immediately act strange, labeling me as “dangerous” or “a manipulator.” They team up to sabotage my interactions, making me out to be the “predator who must be stopped.” They even get aggressive, isolating me in social environments.


So here’s where I’m at.


I built my self-confidence. I try to live with masculine energy. I go out, I approach, I do my best not to take rejection personally. I face my insecurities, push myself to be social. But after all this effort… what do I really get?

• Narcissistic, entitled women who try to put me down, play social games, and use me as a prop for their own attention and validation.
• Submissive “simp” men who sabotage and isolate me wherever I go — bars, clubs, restaurants, any social space.

Here in Italy (and honestly in much of Western society), approaching women has become like walking into a battlefield. It feels like a constant war, walking on eggshells. It’s turned into a toxic game that men can’t win — a system built to undermine masculine men and reward passive ones.


Sure, once in a while I meet a feminine, sweet woman — but it feels like one in a thousand. The odds are low, and even then, making something real happen is even harder.


So I’m asking you guys:


Does approaching women even make sense anymore? Society has brainwashed most women into seeing men as enemies to be put down, isolated, or defeated. Why should I keep approaching?


Honestly, I’m considering leaving Italy. Women here feel lost, corrupted by this mentality. Nothing seems to change.


So I genuinely ask: in which countries are women still raised to be feminine, kind, caring, and gentle toward men? I’ve heard about Japan and Russia.


I even think about some developing countries, but with the rise of tourism many women there have learned to exploit Western men as well.


So where in the world can a man still find good, genuine women?

It's very interesting to hear about Italy. I heard something similar from a guy who is in his 50s who used to be a playboy. He said Italian women are hyper feminists now. They don't like men anymore just like it is in the US.

I recently went out to a party here in the US and I heard a woman say something very common out here: "the dating game is fvcked up and women are masculine BUT it's because of men. Men are not masculine anymore so women have to become men."

They blame us for it. Women will not stick up for us. We have to take our power back and put them in their place.

Unfortunately, we can't have both worlds.

If men are going to take society back, that means we can't have the game and picking up girls and all this promiscuity. Game was never created for every man. Game was traditionally something you did within a relationship and maybe 5-10% of men did who were rich, aristocrats, etc. But the idea that every man can experience "abundance" and be banging loads of women is trash and it's contributing to the decay of our society.

In order to make most women "marriageable and feminine" again, we can't turn them into slvts and we have to restart the patriarchy: strong fathers, submissive wives, daughters who are protected until marriage, etc. That's the only way. Otherwise women will self-sabotage and create a philosophy meant to justify it. Same with men. Men need to be aware that they are not helping the sexual market by taking advantage of their power too much.

That's my theory anyway.

But tell me more about Italy and how it's like to game out there...