"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Mating market in relation to high profile single moms

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Women move fast.
This is true. When she feels ready to start dating again, she will have options. That's why I acknowledged the possible speed of her timeline in the first post.

This is a devout Christian who is now a single mother to 2 young children she created with a man she loves, who watched that man get publicly executed.

To think that attention, or new d*ck is something she even remotely enjoys right now is one of the most astoundingly tone deaf things I've ever read, anywhere.
Her devout Christianity will impact her dating process in the future.

I can't imagine what she's going through right now. She must feel terrible. I believe that she has a good support system from her family and friends.

I don't think she is considering new penis at the moment. It won't be on her mind for some time. At some point in the future, I expect that she will move on in the same way that Flynn Jensen moved on from Darryl Kile.

The hurt that she's going through right now isn't something that most of us haven't experienced. It would be difficult for us to identify with her pain.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I really hate it that dying makes everyone think you were a great person. It's some sort of pathetic human coping mechanism or social etiquette. Everyone does it. The world is full of people who are pieces of sh1t, and when they die, we're all in a cesspool with fewer turds.
 

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One factor that is likely to impact her next relationship is that she's unlikely to have kids in that future relationship. She will turn 37 in November. By the time her next relationship gets serious, she would be somewhere near age 40 and it is difficult to conceive by that point in life.

The next man would have to be ok with being a father figure to her existing children while not being able to have his own kids with her.

I don't think that's going to be too significant of an issue when that time arrives. She will still have options despite this.
 

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One factor that is likely to impact her next relationship is that she's unlikely to have kids in that future relationship
Rough break for her. Given that none of us here are the former Mrs. Kirk though, one has to question the benefits of expending more than a microsecond on all this conjecture regarding what her sex life MIGHT look like, at some point in the future

For all we know, she could decide to start exploring her sexuality, hook up with a prominent (lesbian)commentator in The MAGA-sphere. Or, she may have been experiencing gender dysphoria for quite some time, take this opportunity to go from Ericka to Eric

None of this has any bearing on any of our lives though
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I really hate it that dying makes everyone think you were a great person. It's some sort of pathetic human coping mechanism or social etiquette. Everyone does it. The world is full of people who are pieces of sh1t, and when they die, we're all in a cesspool with fewer turds.
I think it’s human nature for people to react emotionally, especially after witnessing something as disturbing as a live murder. I can’t say I really knew who he was before the assassination, but because of the media and other platforms, I became more familiar with the alt-right ideology and what it represents.

Regardless, the killer was just caught. The whole situation reminds me of Biggie’s lines: “You’re nobody 'til somebody kills you” and “It’s your own people that always get you.”

Who is Tyler Robinson? All we know about Charlie Kirk murder suspect in custody - The Mirror
 

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Charlie Kirk's initial pursuance of Erika was very beta male.

Erika was initially a potential job candidate for Turning Point USA so their first in-person meeting was under the guise of a job interview.

Charlie didn't want to offer Erika employment but he did come forward to offer to date her. At least he was clear there and wouldn't accept her counteroffer of platonic friendship.

One thing that I think helped Charlie in his pursuance of Erika was his height. Charlie Kirk was 6'5". For a 5'8" woman like Erika, that's appealing. He had height and CEO status going for him.

Future men will come at Erika with more intention. I think many future men will express sexual interest immediately. Her high profile status will be a reason for that.

For all we know, she could decide to start exploring her sexuality, hook up with a prominent (lesbian)commentator in The MAGA-sphere.
I don't think such a commentator exists.
 

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Charlie Kirk's initial pursuance of Erika was very beta male.
How was it beta? He straight up told her that he wanted to date her. When she said let's be friends first and see how it goes, he said that he had enough friends already. That's the opposite of what a beta would do.
 

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How was it beta? He straight up told her that he wanted to date her.
The initial meeting was under the guise of a job interview.

When she said let's be friends first and see how it goes, he said that he had enough friends already. That's the opposite of what a beta would do.
That's debatable. Plenty of beta males know male-female platonic friendship is a waste of time.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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All I want to discuss is the mating market in relation to a high profile single mom.
Any man will bang a single mom if she looks half decent, no questions asked. Even if she is older, 40s, 50s, as long as she is in shape, long hair, he will smash.

Now for commitment? If a man has any value, he won’t legally commit to a single mom

I think it’s been said many times before; a man’s threshold for banging a woman is very low. For marrying a woman? It’s very high

For woman, the threshold to bang a man is often high, the threshold to marry a man is often low.
 

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Any man will bang a single mom if she looks half decent, no questions asked. Even if she is older, 40s, 50s, as long as she is in shape, long hair, he will smash.

I think it’s been said many times before; a man’s threshold for banging a woman is very low.
I don't think it is any man but many men. I agree on the point that the threshold for sex is lower.

Now for commitment? If a man has any value, he won’t legally commit to a single mom

For marrying a woman? It’s very high
I'm observing too many men not valuing themselves and committing to single moms. There are even childless men who do this.

A single dad committing to a single mom is something I don't criticize. However, that can make some dynamics for the children odd.

There are even complications when 55+ men and 55+ women who both have adult children 18+ get together.
 

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Do we have the same level of sympathy for anyone who dies? The topic is justifiable even tho it's dark as hell.

Miss me with that she was a Christian bs. If she was she wouldn't marry a man who's values were merely polarising. Not like Kirk was a Jezus like figure who moved in the spirit of the Lord.

Innocent people ( as young as 18 with no crmininal record whatsoever)are now locked up in El Salvador because of their skin color. Imagine sleeping next to a person supporting this and a thousand more despicable actions.

She clearly had a thing for men with dark traits and no morals. Like women who love criminals .
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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She had plenty of nights to pillow talk him out of his bs opinion. These are evil people.

She celebrated his stance. It's collateral damage.
 

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Right on cue. I love being right. Only took one day.
 

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Charlie Kirk‘s widow, Erika Framtzve, 36, mother of his 2 children, spoke for the 1st time since his assassination. Now, understanding she is grieving and it’s a horrific accident, she said “killers have no idea what they have unleashed”. Authorities have maintained the shooter acted alone.


Now, I’m not telling people how to grieve, but if my wife and mother of my children got shot in the neck from 200 yards and died, I don’t think I’d be able to talk for 6 months, Erika comes back in 2 days and speaks to the nation that the “killers have no idea what they have unleashed”

Again, people grieve a different rates, but her speaking like this tells me she is not THAT broken up about his assassination and there is an ulterior political motive here. Charlie was also worth $12,000,000 US, so she doesn’t have to worry about paying rent or buying food for next few months,

BaronofHair said it best: she's simultaneously grieving and gaining some thrill out of the attention.
 

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Right on cue. I love being right. Only took one day.
"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights," he said during an April 5, 2023, appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church. "That is a prudent deal."- Charlie kirk


I want all who took a stance and played the moral brigade to respond to this right now!! Imagine fecking a person who says this. Imagine losing your kids in yet another school shoot out and then Charlie says this, wifey agrees with a smile . Nasty work.

Where yall at??? Crickets???
 

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What a terrible thing to say. I know this is a seduction community, but it doesn't take much to maintain even a little bit of decorum about such a terrible situation.
I suggest you look up Tom Parker (English singer) and what his widow has been up to. Tldr version is that the guy died of cancer 3 years ago and she's been milking the 'widow' status ever since. Still found time though for a couple of boyfriends in the meantime and trying for a baby (had a miscarriage). So while it's too early to speak on Erika, @HaleyBaron makes perfect sense.
I still don't get how it's beta.
At 2:50 he says she's way out of his league. If he said that when the video was recorded and they were already married, imagine how he must've acted on their first date.
Right there you see his lack of frame and that he's an example of 'act as I say, not as I do', reminiscent of Rollo. It's incongruent to argue for masculinity and Christian values and get together with a 30yrs old woman when you're 25yrs old man. And on top of that feel that she is way out of your league.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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