Idk how anyone can still believe in Hypergamy in 2025

[tksniper]

Hypergamy, at its core, is about need fulfillment. People are drawn to those who can provide something they lack. This goes far beyond wealth or looks. It could be emotional security, a sense of adventure, social status, or even an escape from a boring life. A person's value is determined by what they represent to another, and like it or not, this can include their appearance, bank account or status, as people weigh different factors differently.

In marketing it says it’s better to find a lock and create a key for that lock, rather than create a key and hope to find locks that the key works on.

For men dating is similar. It’s better to find a niche community and climb the ladder than to be a wandering nomad and hope that some niche community finds you.

My niche communities are tattoo conventions/clubs, art shows, and spiritual retreats. There’s a tattoo enthusiast club in my city that has weekly events, bar crawls, tattoo conventions, social gatherings, game nights, etc. In these circles I’m usually high status because I pretty much David Beckham maxxed (look up his pictures if you don’t know what I’m talking about). I spend an hour at the gym everyday and I have job-stopping tattoos from the neck down. People look at me like “how’s he able to get a job?”

In public I generally attract more attention from gay guys than actual women. But in my niche environments, it feels like the women look at me as some authority/leader of the tribe. My persona is congruent with the niche I environment. I sell positive feelings, status, and connection.

If you can dominate your niche environment and sell feeling, status, and connection to women, they will seduce YOU, not the other way around. Women’s survival instincts/primitive brain will do whatever it takes to attain positive feelings, status, and connection with the tribe.

We all want to feel like we belong. Women buy the feelings you give them. The best charmers are the ones who can create emotional states women want. And it’s mostly status and connection.

There aren’t too many emotional states to choose from.

 

[Clockwerk50]

In marketing it says it’s better to find a lock and create a key for that lock, rather than create a key and hope to find locks that the key works on.

For men dating is similar. It’s better to find a niche community and climb the ladder than to be a wandering nomad and hope that some niche community finds you.

My niche communities are tattoo conventions/clubs, art shows, and spiritual retreats. There’s a tattoo enthusiast club in my city that has weekly events, bar crawls, tattoo conventions, social gatherings, game nights, etc. In these circles I’m usually high status because I pretty much David Beckham maxxed (look up his pictures if you don’t know what I’m talking about). I spend an hour at the gym everyday and I have job-stopping tattoos from the neck down. People look at me like “how’s he able to get a job?”

In public I generally attract more attention from gay guys than actual women. But in my niche environments, it feels like the women look at me as some authority/leader of the tribe. My persona is congruent with the niche I environment. I sell positive feelings, status, and connection.

If you can dominate your niche environment and sell feeling, status, and connection to women, they will seduce YOU, not the other way around. Women’s survival instincts/primitive brain will do whatever it takes to attain positive feelings, status, and connection with the tribe.

We all want to feel like we belong. Women buy the feelings you give them. The best charmers are the ones who can create emotional states women want. And it’s mostly status and connection.

There aren’t too many emotional states to choose from.

Not totally sure how your anecdotes tie into my original point, but they do show you’ve have a strong presence and influence within your social circles. At the end of the day, attraction is about embodying whatever quality others are unconsciously seeking, and it sounds like you are tapping into that.

 

[tksniper]

Not totally sure how your anecdotes tie into my original point, but they do show you’ve have a strong presence and influence within your social circles. At the end of the day, attraction is about embodying whatever quality others are unconsciously seeking, and it sounds like you are tapping into that.

You answered your own question my friend.

 

[characternote]

You can’t meet an 18 year old in a bar 98% of the time

I'm in the UK, so out bars are FULL to the brim with 18 year olds lol.
But yeah, it's only the tall good looking guys who are around her age who I ever see having the slightest bit of success. Older guys (even if tehy have a good job or whatever) tend to be invisible despite their best efforts lol

It can be done. I'm old and banged a SEVENTEEN year old from a bar a few years back and was like twice her age lol. And my ex wingman is my age and he gets hit on by them, but he's like in the 1% of crazy handsome guys. Genetic lottery

 

[Divorced w 3]

I'm in the UK, so out bars are FULL to the brim with 18 year olds lol.
But yeah, it's only the tall good looking guys who are around her age who I ever see having the slightest bit of success. Older guys (even if tehy have a good job or whatever) tend to be invisible despite their best efforts lol

It can be done. I'm old and banged a SEVENTEEN year old from a bar a few years back and was like twice her age lol. And my ex wingman is my age and he gets hit on by them, but he's like in the 1% of crazy handsome guys. Genetic lottery

The spot you quoted is the point that almost doesn’t matter.

Seducing women almost more than anything else is non verbal. Be yourself and put yourself in situations and conversations where the vibe is going to flow naturally and properly.

Don’t get me wrong; be clean, be put together properly -

but if you’re not a Milan / Fashion guy you’re not going to VIBE with one of those women-

because IF YOU WERE THAT GUY, you’d find something COST EFFECTIVE BUT EDGY for that environment and it would FLOW NATURALLY

Fish in the water you like with the bait that describes you for who you are

 

[Beyond It]

The spot you quoted is the point that almost doesn’t matter.

Seducing women almost more than anything else is non verbal. Be yourself and put yourself in situations and conversations where the vibe is going to flow naturally and properly.

Don’t get me wrong; be clean, be put together properly -

but if you’re not a Milan / Fashion guy you’re not going to VIBE with one of those women-

because IF YOU WERE THAT GUY, you’d find something COST EFFECTIVE BUT EDGY for that environment and it would FLOW NATURALLY

Fish in the water you like with the bait that describes you for who you are

The high end (rich, successful etc) guys I know are not fashion guys. They are plain unless at work.
They tell a woman nothing. Rarely answer direct questions and roll their eyes when a woman asks what they do. AND they make sure the woman sees the eye roll.
They know the game. Being inaccessible is alluring. Once she categorizes you…it’s over. Move to the next one.

 

[The Duke]

If you can dominate your niche environment and sell feeling, status, and connection to women, they will seduce YOU, not the other way around. Women’s survival instincts/primitive brain will do whatever it takes to attain positive feelings, status, and connection with the tribe.

We all want to feel like we belong. Women buy the feelings you give them. The best charmers are the ones who can create emotional states women want. And it’s mostly status and connection.

This is exactly what I sell to women. Its how you make them feel. Once I learned how to do this my dating success went thru the roof. Its almost guaranteed that if she will go out with me once, she will go out with me many times. It starts with having good awareness and insight.

Too many times on this forum, men get wrapped up in Money, Muscles, Sex, their Hair, etc. in order to improve their dating life(and that stuff helps), but it won't take you to the promise land like knowing how to make a woman feel connected and putting her in a happy emotional place she feels good in. Guys wonder why women are so wishy-washy/flakey on dating apps. Its because none of that physical stuff creates the emotional state they are searching for.

 

[tksniper]

This is exactly what I sell to women. Its how you make them feel. Once I learned how to do this my dating success went thru the roof. Its almost guaranteed that if she will go out with me once, she will go out with me many times. It starts with having good awareness and insight.

Too many times on this forum, men get wrapped up in Money, Muscles, Sex, their Hair, etc. in order to improve their dating life(and that stuff helps), but it won't take you to the promise land like knowing how to make a woman feel connected and putting her in a happy emotional place she feels good in. Guys wonder why women are so wishy-washy/flakey on dating apps. Its because none of that physical stuff creates the emotional state they are searching for.

This is exactly what I sell to women. Its how you make them feel. Once I learned how to do this my dating success went thru the roof. Its almost guaranteed that if she will go out with me once, she will go out with me many times. It starts with having good awareness and insight.

Too many times on this forum, men get wrapped up in Money, Muscles, Sex, their Hair, etc. in order to improve their dating life(and that stuff helps), but it won't take you to the promise land like knowing how to make a woman feel connected and putting her in a happy emotional place she feels good in. Guys wonder why women are so wishy-washy/flakey on dating apps. Its because none of that physical stuff creates the emotional state they are searching for.

Yeah man I remember I was talking to a woman on OLD and she was always giving me the runaround when it came to a casual hookup. But one day I decided to sell her the feeling of connection.

It appears to be counter intuitive, but I convinced a relationship oriented woman to have a casual fling with me while selling her connection.

I told her my best connections were with fleeting women and my worse connections were with long term girlfriends. A relationship isn’t successful because of how long it was, but how passionate it was. One night, or a few passionate nights can trump a lifetime of misery married to someone where the spark is gone.

She bought it hook, line, and sinker and even looked up hotels around her way and sent me the link.

Since then I’ve flaked on her like 3 times but I have an open door to hook up with her whenever I want.

Every woman’s blue print is positive emotional states/status/connection.

The problem with most guys is they themselves are not in a positive emotional state, have no status in their tribes (or don’t have any internal status) , and don’t feel connected. So it’s impossible for them to transfer that state to the women to they talk to.

This is why I always preach being a leader of a tribe that has women in it. You don’t have to be THE leader, just A leader.

Of course some of us have strong enough frames that we need no tribes and we’re always in a good emotional state, walk around with internal status, and feel connected to the world.

For everyone else, I recommend finding your niche environment.

 

[Gamisch]

This is exactly what I sell to women. Its how you make them feel. Once I learned how to do this my dating success went thru the roof. Its almost guaranteed that if she will go out with me once, she will go out with me many times. It starts with having good awareness and insight.

Too many times on this forum, men get wrapped up in Money, Muscles, Sex, their Hair, etc. in order to improve their dating life(and that stuff helps), but it won't take you to the promise land like knowing how to make a woman feel connected and putting her in a happy emotional place she feels good in. Guys wonder why women are so wishy-washy/flakey on dating apps. Its because none of that physical stuff creates the emotional state they are searching for.

Great post!!

Perhaps it's one of th reasons why ( broke)Pookie/rayary are so successful amd sometimes can extend their succes while being imprisoned. They will work with the tools they have, and if they don't have the ability to flex "the good job" they will use a different strategy.

Having said that: there will always be levels to anything. Simultaneously IF Pookie DOES get some money/ muscles/ good job/ lolls better ect, he might become an unstoppable force.

I do however agree that without the gift of gap and the understanding that it's about how you make a woman feel, you're doomed.

 

[Vanderdonck]

This is exactly what I sell to women. Its how you make them feel. Once I learned how to do this my dating success went thru the roof. Its almost guaranteed that if she will go out with me once, she will go out with me many times. It starts with having good awareness and insight.

Too many times on this forum, men get wrapped up in Money, Muscles, Sex, their Hair, etc. in order to improve their dating life(and that stuff helps), but it won't take you to the promise land like knowing how to make a woman feel connected and putting her in a happy emotional place she feels good in. Guys wonder why women are so wishy-washy/flakey on dating apps. Its because none of that physical stuff creates the emotional state they are searching for.

Yeah but some guys need a Chad to blame for their unwillingness to improve...

 

[Beyond It]

Yeah but some guys need a Chad to blame for their unwillingness to improve...

These should be defined. I’ve seen plenty of out of shape men with beautiful companions. Millions of rich men divorced or cheated on.
I agree fundamentally with what you said. I just think men are being lied to about all the rest of the mainstream “just improve yourself”. It’s a trap. Beautiful women will fall in love with a carpenter.
Tom Brady’s former model wife divorced him and married a martial arts instructor with a simple dojo.

How can this be? Brady was devoted to his family.
hypergamy is NOT conscious thought. It is a biological chemical endocrine system feeling.
The martial arts instructor displayed more masculine internal traits. These traits are developed through training their minds and internal core with being men. Men do not rely on a woman nor fall in love
not one part of their being leads to any need of a woman. They are completely out of the social machine.

Awomans world is never reality. They live in fantasy. Men are more prone to live in their obtained reality. Good or bad for them. Choice.

 

[MatureDJ]

9/10 times a woman will go for a taller guy over any other type of guy.. This is proven and backed by science too. It's kind of embedded into their genetic code.

 

[MatureDJ]

As men we equate sex to being high value. But women have no qualms using guys for sex as if you were a walking dildo.

 

[BaronOfHair]

In marketing it says it’s better to find a lock and create a key for that lock, rather than create a key and hope to find locks that the key works on.

For men dating is similar. It’s better to find a niche community and climb the ladder than to be a wandering nomad and hope that some niche community finds you.

My niche communities are tattoo conventions/clubs, art shows, and spiritual retreats. There’s a tattoo enthusiast club in my city that has weekly events, bar crawls, tattoo conventions, social gatherings, game nights, etc. In these circles I’m usually high status because I pretty much David Beckham maxxed (look up his pictures if you don’t know what I’m talking about). I spend an hour at the gym everyday and I have job-stopping tattoos from the neck down. People look at me like “how’s he able to get a job?”

In public I generally attract more attention from gay guys than actual women. But in my niche environments, it feels like the women look at me as some authority/leader of the tribe. My persona is congruent with the niche I environment. I sell positive feelings, status, and connection.

If you can dominate your niche environment and sell feeling, status, and connection to women, they will seduce YOU, not the other way around. Women’s survival instincts/primitive brain will do whatever it takes to attain positive feelings, status, and connection with the tribe.

We all want to feel like we belong. Women buy the feelings you give them. The best charmers are the ones who can create emotional states women want. And it’s mostly status and connection.

There aren’t too many emotional states to choose from.

It pays to have a target market, sure. Avoid ratchet broads, if you yourself aren't a real life equivalent to Thugnificent

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Idk how anyone can still believe in Hypergamy in 2025

Hypergamy has been part of the human genome since before humans were humans.

Sure, it presents itself in different ways.

It (as the drive) is made much more complex as it's expressed by girls who are, through social media and messed up childhoods, much more fvcked up than any group of females in history.

But it exists, and it will always exist, deep in the mammalian brain of every lady who was born with a vagina.

Without hypergamy (females trying to get the highest status guys they can) humans would not have evolved. Because guys wouldn't have competed to be those high status guys.

Guys competing to be in the top 20% has driven evolution, not only in humans, but in mammals for millions of years.

Guys who hate hypergamy are guys who don't want to or aren't willing to compete to get into that top tier status band relative to the environment.

Like the game equivalent of socialists or communists who want to consume without needing to produce.

Or like Marxists (to each according to their needs, from each according to their ability) who fantasize about not having what they consume (the ladies they want to bang) be related to the quality of self they offer.

You guys going on about how "game has changed" because of Covid or social media or whatever are missing the point.

What makes females attracted to dudes is absolutely ancient and very manipulatable.

Pay close attention to what @tksniper has written. Read it several times.

Dude understands attraction and social dynamics more than most goofs here complaining about red pill cope.

 

[BaronOfHair]

You guys going on about how "game has changed" because of Covid or social media or whatever are missing the point

Dating and mating has changed, in the same way TV has changed, between today and even The 2000s. Yeah, The Offendedness Olympics we're still forehead deep in, and The C Suites of Hollywood having been seized by Woke-leaning jellyfish, has definitely complicated the process of getting a series greenlit

The fundamentals haven't, and never do change, though... Successfully launching a product(be it ourselves or Severance)requires that we:

-Select a viable target demographic


-Offer that demographic an invaluable service

-Outmaneuver opposition to launching said product

-Market and advertise more ferociously than Ron Jeremy went to town on Jenna Jameson's poonany, throughout the duration of the late 90s


No, this doesn't GUARANTEE that we'll get exactly what we want, nonetheless it does exponentially increase our chances of doing so. And THAT(stacking the proverbial deck in one's favor), lads, is all that's humanly achievable

 

[Hoodie]

I see online content by Redpillers/Blackpillers all kinds of filth, saying how women only go for top 1% of men and how 80% of men dont get laid, which is complete bs.
Every day i see ugly short guys with hot girls, ive had girls who were interested in me date a guy whos a complete genetic trash compared to me.
Ive seen this happen even to other men, a friend of mine hes like 6'3 decent looking guy yet has a hard time with girls.

And when i tell guys this they always reply with "its cuz those ugly guys have money" yeahh bro a college student who flips burgers for a living for sure has lots of money have those people ever left their homes? At College at work at high school all places ive seen ugly broke dudes pulling hot girls, women literally have negative standards and mfs telling me online that hypergamy is high lmao.

Women only care about social status and if your neurotypical, doesnt matter how rich and good looking you are, if your a neurodivergent male with low social status ur pulling nothing.

I think it comes down to the fact that women are attracted to things men can work on, like: Their health, confidence, status, network, humor, wit and money.
I'm sure most women would pick an average looking man that is well connected, makes good money, is funny, knowledgable and healthy.
Than a good looking man still living with his parents.
And it's easier for men to blame it on height, rather than their own personal failure.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I think it comes down to the fact that women are attracted to things men can work on, like: Their health, confidence, status, network, humor, wit and money.
I'm sure most women would pick an average looking man that is well connected, makes good money, is funny, knowledgable and healthy.
Than a good looking man still living with his parents.
And it's easier for men to blame it on height, rather than their own personal failure.

One's looks are similar to an executioner's sword: Effective, ONLY if combined with proficiencies