Idk how anyone can still believe in Hypergamy in 2025

[somehowsaved]

I see online content by Redpillers/Blackpillers all kinds of filth, saying how women only go for top 1% of men and how 80% of men dont get laid, which is complete bs.
Every day i see ugly short guys with hot girls, ive had girls who were interested in me date a guy whos a complete genetic trash compared to me.
Ive seen this happen even to other men, a friend of mine hes like 6'3 decent looking guy yet has a hard time with girls.

And when i tell guys this they always reply with "its cuz those ugly guys have money" yeahh bro a college student who flips burgers for a living for sure has lots of money have those people ever left their homes? At College at work at high school all places ive seen ugly broke dudes pulling hot girls, women literally have negative standards and mfs telling me online that hypergamy is high lmao.

Women only care about social status and if your neurotypical, doesnt matter how rich and good looking you are, if your a neurodivergent male with low social status ur pulling nothing.

 

[ValiantMale]

Yeah those are guys who just dont get laid and are bitter at the market... I'm totally with you about seeing plenty of average or below average guys (lookswise) with attractive women. Ofc any rational indiivdual understands theres alot more to the equation than just looks.. Rational individuals also understand that --this is not however the general consensus.. Those guys are often outliers.

and you mentioned a good variable: Social Status.. This has always been big for women in our modern world.. Though height is not a good variable.. Because 9/10 times a woman will go for a taller guy over any other type of guy.. This is proven and backed by science too. It's kind of embedded into their genetic code.

if you took your tall friend and you, put you guysin one of those gameshows where theres a lineup of 20+ women and they choose between you two, a vast majority will probably choose him. Thats just how it goes..

Regardless, I appreciate you trying to go hard for the bluepill guys.. But, one day you'll wake up and smell the coffee..

 

[CornbreadFed]

Because the red & black pill appeal to guys that don't see or touch grass. These guys are literally still living like the pandemic spending 3 hours of their free time on pill live streams.

 

[Solomon]

The 80/20 rule is only true for online dating in real life not so much. The problem with Redpill/Blackpill is that it doesn't leave a lot of room for nuance and because of that a lot of stuff comes of as black and white.

You're right, it doesn't matter how rich you are, this is something most RPers and BPers don't understand, even the "Vets" on this site. Money only matters to women in the form of provision and lifestyle. Meaning that if you are looking to get married, money does matter for your ability to provide; if you're dating, being rich or having lots of money doesn't matter unless you're dealing with a gold digger or Pay4play. A woman who likes you sincerely could give 2 fuxx about how rich a guy is. But in initial seduction, money doesn't help you unless you're tricking! Having a lot of money isn't going to make a woman sleep with you unless you pay her. Heck, I would say in 2025 money isn't even a guarantee for long-term retention look at what happened to Tom Brady, good-looking guy, HOF QB (arguable the GOAT), HANDSOME, and his wife allegedly cheated on him with a manlet

Source: A guy with money lol

 

[zekko]

Yeah those are guys who just dont get laid and are bitter at the market... I'm totally with you about seeing plenty of average or below average guys (lookswise) with attractive women. Ofc any rational indiivdual understands theres alot more to the equation than just looks.. Rational individuals also understand that --this is not however the general consensus.. Those guys are often outliers.

The main problem I have with this type of thread is that guys are looking at other guys and judging them as having no value, therefore they think women are dating guys with no value. But women see guys differently, and judge them in different ways. We aren't attracted to men, so sometimes what women see in some guys is an absolute mystery. I know it is to me. Sometimes you can tell, and sometimes you can't. Who am I to look at some guy and think "No woman would ever want to get with that guy"?

I would say in 2025 money isn't even a guarantee for long-term retention look at what happened to Tom Brady, good-looking guy, HOF QB (arguable the GOAT), HANDSOME, and his wife allegedly cheated on him with a manlet

Of course, Brady married a supermodel who actually made a lot more money than he did. I'm sure they both had options off the charts. And she (allegedly) cheated on him with her jiu jitsu instructor, so he must have had some skills for a "manlet".

 

[Solomon]

The main problem I have with this type of thread is that guys are looking at other guys and judging them as having no value, therefore they think women are dating guys with no value. But women see guys differently, and judge them in different ways. We aren't attracted to men, so sometimes what women see in some guys is an absolute mystery. I know it is to me. Sometimes you can tell, and sometimes you can't. Who am I to look at some guy and think "No woman would ever want to get with that guy"?



Of course, Brady married a supermodel who actually made a lot more money than he did. I'm sure they both had options off the charts. And she (allegedly) cheated on him with her jiu jitsu instructor, so he must have had some skills for a "manlet".

Two things can be right I bet you the Ju Jitsu instructor doesn't have a 1/4th of the money Tom has, there is a saying Women love broke ****, you know why? cause that's all a broke man can do well, that Ju Jitsu instructor is probably breaking Giselle's back like she hasn't had it cracked in years

 

[zekko]

Two things can be right I bet you the Ju Jitsu instructor doesn't have a 1/4th of the money Tom has, there is a saying Women love broke ****, you know why? cause that's all a broke man can do well, that Ju Jitsu instructor is probably breaking Giselle's back like she hasn't had it cracked in years

I bet Jiu Jitsu guy doesn't have 1/4000 the money Tom has. Giselle doesn't need the money, why should she care? Probably lots of opportunity for kino being a jiu jitsu instructor. There used to be a poster here named Backbreaker (remember him?), he used to say women liked broke guys with no jobs, because they were all about fun, all they did was have fun and be fun. Well, I don't really agree with that, but he has his point. Most of these PUA sayings are sometimes true, and sometimes not. They can apply in certain situations.

I'm guessing Giselle's problem was she got disappointed with her marriage because it didn't meet the fantasyland image of it she had built up in her head, and Tom put too much focus on football. He was always saying she wanted him to retire.

 

[BaronOfHair]

It's true that men with resources are often more attractive to not just women, but to everyone else also. As you say, OP, the hypergamy theory goes awry when Generically Red Pilled theoriticians assert that a fella HAS to be 1% in order to be seen as having "made it" by society

By THAT logic, most male celebrities(who generally don't get far beyond millionaire status)are at the bottom of the social ladder

 

[Tilex]

The problem is many people keep regurgitating seduction advice from 2015. Guys need to wake up and realize the game has evolved. What you once knew about women's hypergamy is now considered ancient news.
The game changed after covid and inflation.
Dating standards have also changed, but many guys haven't been in the field long enough to notice.
They believe the dating scene is still pre-covid.

 

[zekko]

It's true that men with resources are often more attractive to not just women, but to everyone else also.

Sure. A guy with resources can dress better, drive a nicer car, go to a nicer gym, afford better health and dental care, have a nicer house, go on nicer vacations, use better cologne, eat better, go to more interesting places, etc., etc. What's not to like?

 

[tksniper]

The 80/20 rule is only true for online dating in real life not so much. The problem with Redpill/Blackpill is that it doesn't leave a lot of room for nuance and because of that a lot of stuff comes of as black and white.

You're right, it doesn't matter how rich you are, this is something most RPers and BPers don't understand, even the "Vets" on this site. Money only matters to women in the form of provision and lifestyle. Meaning that if you are looking to get married, money does matter for your ability to provide; if you're dating, being rich or having lots of money doesn't matter unless you're dealing with a gold digger or Pay4play. A woman who likes you sincerely could give 2 fuxx about how rich a guy is. But in initial seduction, money doesn't help you unless you're tricking! Having a lot of money isn't going to make a woman sleep with you unless you pay her. Heck, I would say in 2025 money isn't even a guarantee for long-term retention look at what happened to Tom Brady, good-looking guy, HOF QB (arguable the GOAT), HANDSOME, and his wife allegedly cheated on him with a manlet

Source: A guy with money lol

In my experience the 80/20 rule applies to real life as well. It’s just that in real life, people tend to date people in their social circles. And a top 20% guy in his own circle could be a societal 6. Remember, status is always contextual and relative.

If the best looking dude in a yoga studio is a 6, he’s top tier in that environment. But the same guy would be ignored at the bars/tinder.

The 80/20 rule always apply. Case in point I one day stumbled into a marvel comic club in my city. Some nerdy dude was the alpha of the tribe. As soon as I showed up, he kept trying to amog me. I had no idea why until I saw the women (yes there are female marvel fans) showed up and it was apparent to me then that he was the alpha of the tribe, but he was like a 6 in a general sense.

As a tattooed and gym going guy, I trumped him in his own tribe. So he was trying extra hard to try to antagonize me. I noticed there was a female who could very well be a Society 8 that belonged in that tribe and she had rapport with him.

Taken out of context, if you saw him and her out in public together as a couple, it would make no sense to you. But status is always relative and contextual.

The problem with most guys is they just don’t have a tribe they could lead. They are wandering nomads. Nature never intended you to be a wandering nomad. Imagine being a wondering nomad thousands of years ago. Your genetics would have gone extinct.

America loves to emphasize independence. But 90% of the world still operate in tribes, aka interdependence, and there are plenty of average looking dudes who lead their tribes and have their pick of the litter.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The problem is many people keep regurgitating seduction advice from 2015. Guys need to wake up and realize the game has evolved. What you once knew about women's hypergamy is now considered ancient news.
The game changed after covid and inflation.
Dating standards have also changed, but many guys haven't been in the field long enough to notice.
They believe the dating scene is still pre-covid.

Sticking out from the crowd has never been so important. This is why I am now putting the just go to the gym bro/looksmax crew in the same category as never touched grass crew because everyone is doing this. Have you seen a local LA Fitness lately. Make a fake female account on the apps and see how many desperate wanna be chad gym bros simp over you.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Sure. A guy with resources can dress better, drive a nicer car, go to a nicer gym, afford better health and dental care, have a nicer house, go on nicer vacations, use better cologne, eat better, go to more interesting places, etc., etc. What's not to like?

The poor in general(No what what gender, skin color, ethnicity, creed, or sexual orientation they happen to be)tend to be miserable. Paraphrase Affleck in Boiler Room:

Anyone who insists that having more than a few nickels in your pocket can't buy happiness is almost certainly indulging in what we today call a "cope" + Ignoring the hard data https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/does-money-buy-happiness-heres-what-the-research-says/

 

[zekko]

In my experience the 80/20 rule applies to real life as well. It’s just that in real life, people tend to date people in their social circles. And a top 20% guy in his own circle could be a societal 6. Remember, status is always contextual and relative.

I can buy the 80/20 rule as long as it isn't applied too rigidly. I recently heard a podcast where the guy was talking about college sex. And he was basically saying the top frat guys and athletes were getting laid, and everyone else was getting nothing. I don't buy that. I just today saw a few studies saying most college students have had sex in the last year, both males and females. Now I'm sure the top 20% of guys get more girls, and the other 80% struggle, but I doubt very seriously that they never get anything, ever.

Taken out of context, if you saw him and her out in public together as a couple, it would make no sense to you. But status is always relative and contextual.

So basically, he was the Leonard Hofstadter of the group.
Loved the latest Fantastic Four movie, by the way.

 

[zekko]

Anyone who insists that having more than a few nickels in your pocket can't buy happiness is almost certainly indulging in what we today call a "cope" + Ignoring the hard data https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/does-money-buy-happiness-heres-what-the-research-says/

It's true, having money makes your life better in almost every way imaginable. Even if you've taken a vow of poverty, you have more to give away to the poor.

 

[tksniper]

I can buy the 80/20 rule as long as it isn't applied too rigidly. I recently heard a podcast where the guy was talking about college sex. And he was basically saying the top frat guys and athletes were getting laid, and everyone else was getting nothing. I don't buy that. I just today saw a few studies saying most college students have had sex in the last year, both males and females. Now I'm sure the top 20% of guys get more girls, and the other 80% struggle, but I doubt very seriously that they never get anything, ever.


So basically, he was the Leonard Hofstadter of the group.
Loved the latest Fantastic Four movie, by the way.

There’s trickle down economics as well. Many women who follow celebrities around end up sleeping with their entourage. We have to remember getting laid is not a big deal to women. So if a woman sleeps with you, it doesn’t mean you were her first choice.

We all have been in social situations where a top 20% guy in a certain tribe could certainly choose any woman he wanted. But there’s only 1 of him. But his popularity drew plenty of women into the social gathering where other guys could get laid as well. Women have regret sex all the time.

It goes against my ego to admit this but I’ve slept with women in social circles where I was nowhere near the first choice. And if the woman had a choice with a top 20% she would have dropped me in a heart beat. But in the moment, I wasn’t a “bad option.” I was someone they fvcked and forgot about.

As men we equate sex to being high value. But women have no qualms using guys for sex as if you were a walking dildo.

 

[somehowsaved]

Sticking out from the crowd has never been so important. This is why I am now putting the just go to the gym bro/looksmax crew in the same category as never touched grass crew because everyone is doing this. Have you seen a local LA Fitness lately. Make a fake female account on the apps and see how many desperate wanna be chad gym bros simp over you.

All fax, the looksmaxxers gymbros rpillers bpillers act different but theyre the same shi basically, its like how much more can they get brainwashed at this point, first tate told em invest in scamcoins and dropship to get girls, and did it help them? Nope they pulled nothing, now theyre coping with jawlines facial bones to pull women, and again is it helping them? Nope still 0 ***** they cant stop falling for bro science

 

[Captain Redbeard]

The redpill was always about avoiding heartbreak at its core. All women are supposedly monkeybranching hypergamists, etc, etc, so don't get attached just spin plates. Always treat such sweeping generalizations with heavy skepticism.

As for all the maxxers, while there are certainly benefits to be had from the gym and basic skincare, who would have thought that the best way to improve your interactions with women was to interact with more women? But I guess its easier to sit around theorizing about facial dimensions than develop a personality and actually touch grass.

@tksniper makes some good points about relative status in niche communities.

 

[BaronOfHair]

It's true, having money makes your life better in almost every way imaginable

Yeah, cash is similar to looks... While they're not a panacea, enhancing them does nothing but ease your burdens, even if in just small ways, such as servers being more likely to go the extra mile for you and not having to sweat paying the electric bill this month

 

[Beyond It]

I see online content by Redpillers/Blackpillers all kinds of filth, saying how women only go for top 1% of men and how 80% of men dont get laid, which is complete bs.
Every day i see ugly short guys with hot girls, ive had girls who were interested in me date a guy whos a complete genetic trash compared to me.
Ive seen this happen even to other men, a friend of mine hes like 6'3 decent looking guy yet has a hard time with girls.

And when i tell guys this they always reply with "its cuz those ugly guys have money" yeahh bro a college student who flips burgers for a living for sure has lots of money have those people ever left their homes? At College at work at high school all places ive seen ugly broke dudes pulling hot girls, women literally have negative standards and mfs telling me online that hypergamy is high lmao.

Women only care about social status and if your neurotypical, doesnt matter how rich and good looking you are, if your a neurodivergent male with low social status ur pulling nothing.

As you are describing hypergamy, with your understanding, you are absolutely correct.
Hypergamy is a feeling. Not a thought or thought process.
She is seeking optimal survival and it’s done through her endocrine system, which is where emotions come from. Chemical processes. All She knows is how she feels. Rich guys are meant to be cuckolds. Not optimum survival from her biological manifestations.

When you fall in love with her she starts to shut down and hypergamy rears its head. In essence you were conquered. You glorified her self delusional idea of gueenship and royalty status.

This is the heart of it. That was a general overview. You can NEVER fall in love with a woman.