European guys: Is the refugee crisis really impacting Game in Eastern Europe too now?

[Jesse Pinkman]

I went to Prague and Budapest last year and went to Prague again this year too, but this time for an entire week. One thing I have noticed even within the year is how much more guarded local women were in general. Nightlife was almost no locals and it was a much worse vibe than last year overall. I have some local friends and what they have told me is that a recent phenomenon is heading more eastward. This is some of what they said so not really how I see it.

Prague is used to drunk Brits and recently, even Russian and Ukrainian dudes who can be aggressive. However, what has started to happen is that refugees who came to Western Europe a decade ago realized that they could not assimilate into their local countries. This meant that dating and getting laid was going to be a lot tougher. I know for a fact that this is the case for Arab guys in France.

Word got around and a lot of these guys of a refugee background decided to travel Eastward. Their Schengen or whatever you call it lets them. They never lost their aggressive and predatory ways towards women that failed them in Western Europe and instead are, supposedly, bringing them eastward.

This is making women in Eastern Europe much more weary and guarded compared to the past years. Local guys are also becoming more protective since a lot of the refugees bring seedy behavior with them.

FWIW, I hear a lot of these refugee guys are coming from France which makes sense since French society has a big issue with Arabs and Muslims.

Or it could just all be hearsay from a handful of guys I know.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Approach fatigue is a real thing, and it can affect interracial dating greatly in hard hit areas. In addition, smaller countries/areas in general are not going to be as big on foreigners hitting on their women especially during uncertain times. Just one bad incident can ruin it for everyone. If you are looking for interracial dating then you are better off in a richer country used to interacting with foreign cultures.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Improve your product Jesse. Have you tried going Fulll Borat on these b1tches?

 

[Bible_Belt]

Immigration is usually tied to current geopolitical events. Things are heating up in Syria right now. The US backed the new "we promise we quit al qaeda" government, who is now trying to disarm the Druze, who are historical bad asses and live mostly in an unconquerable mountain terrain. The Druze are only semi-Muslim, so the Muslims hate them, but Israel hates them less and has taken their side in the conflict. It's a recipe for another civil war, which creates refugees who tend to emigrate, mostly to Europe.

 

[justaroundthecorner]

"Refugee crisis" Europe faces now has in fact a lot to do with economical immigration which means boats with 200 people (from Sudan, other countries of sub-saharan Africa, Libya or Middle East), where usually 180 on average are young men w/o education and usually with little to no intent to bring any women or families with them, are approaching EU coastlines on regular basis - add to that EU countries use also young male workforce (contractors) from poor South American countries like Venezuela or poor asian countries. Amount of crimes committed by refugees/economical immigrants and temporary immigrants/contractors is raising because their number is inceasing exponentially - most of "refugees" have no steady income and no assets therefore, if admitted, they are often living in immigrant centers which are often a facilities managed by border guardsmen that look a bit like prisons - such facilities are often organised in the remote areas, deep forests but once local people get to know about them, they become uneasy. Economical immigrants (contractors, not "refugees") often live in barracks set up near the place they work.

"Refugee" crisis pretty much screwed up liberal and left wing goverments and EU policies as too many of them try to live off EU countries social systems and they create troubles - since they are mostly unqualified workforce and culturally different, they aren't really welcome, yet they still come in thousands, more every year.

Crimes they commit are mostly alcohol and drugs fuelled - mostly assaults/batteries, thefts, robberies, also rapes or other types of sexual assaults (as western women are usually beyond their SMV reach and pool of women in their reach is almost non-existant ). There were even cases of rapes of humanitarian organisations female volounteers working in some immigrant camps but liberal media & organisations usually put these under the carpet or try to keep them low profile.

All of this created waves of support for conservative or right-wing political parties in Europe and in some places local people even try to organise additional force to protect themselves (local militias), this happen usually near border areas.

Therefore yes, women in Europe know it's not as safe to date foreigner as it was 15 years ago - but it applies mostly to men of African, Moslem/Arab or South American descent. Russians or Ukrainians usually date among their own communities anyway (there's a lot of hate between these two nations now) or mix up with westerners (russian and ukrainian women are usually quite attractive).

Therefore as long as you are white, you should be ok. If you are from South America it may be worse for you. The uphill battle is dating for black and moslem/arabian guys now - they are perceived by a lot of people as potential troublemakers in EU countries now.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Not sure if this is what you’re trying to imply, but I remember seeing a couple of videos or reels in the past, though I can’t seem to find them now, where a Canadian white guy confronted a group of Indian guys, fresh off the boat, who were hanging around a parking lot taking pictures of women without their consent.

Not sure if this is the kind of creepy behaviour you’re referring to, newcomers acting in ways that make local women put their shields up.

 

[Chow Mein]

Prague has Eastern European influence, meaning that they have much more direct intentions in dating. Women in Eastern Europe culture respond much better when men take the lead in the approach. Usually, you get only one opportunity. Otherwise, they will dismiss you quickly. This is just my solo, single experience in Prague. Beautiful place.

@SW15 apologies in advance for taking over your Cross-Country Analyst role

 

[justaroundthecorner]

Not sure if this is what you’re trying to imply, but I remember seeing a couple of videos or reels in the past, though I can’t seem to find them now, where a Canadian white guy confronted a group of Indian guys, fresh off the boat, who were hanging around a parking lot taking pictures of women without their consent.

Not sure if this is the kind of creepy behaviour you’re referring to, newcomers acting in ways that make local women put their shields up.

For example in Germany there were hundreds of cases of sexual assaults committed by immigrants (moslems) on local females during open New Year celebrations on market squares which are common in european cultures, cases where several year or child or very old females were raped by young immigrants thirsty for some action. There were recently at least couple of car-related assaults where descedants of immigrants attacked Germans on Christmas fares (dozens of people dead or wounded), this type of crime mostly coming out of frustration from living in country where locals don't really want to give you equal treatment (in spite of what law says) or you simply do not respect core western values - same type of crimes often happened in France (e.g. in Marseille years ago if I recall correctly). Bataclan theatre - mass murder of young french people by moslem radicals, Charlie Hebdo office - mass murder of french journalists by moslem radicals. Cities like Paris or Brussells are no longer safe after dark. Sweden is learning the immigrant lesson the hard way now - people in eastern Europe (Czech Rep., Hungary, Slovakia, Poland etc.) listen to what happens in France, Germany, Spain or Italy and don't want the same to repeat where they live.

When french writer, Michel Houellebecq wrote "Soumission" several years ago - a political fiction book about France falling into hands of moslems and effectively becoming a moslem country, he left Paris when the book premiered and did not attend any events, being afraid for his life. Iirc he wrote about organisation like Islam Brotherhood doing a lot of covert moves to gain influence among liberal intellectualists, journalists, education workers and politicians. Boom, several years later, early 2025, french internal affairs report comes out stating that Islam Brotherhood is actually invigilating french power and intellectual circles and using youtubers/influencers to convince young men to Islam. The report confirmed Islam Brotherhood members are running top positions in French education, including several universities and some are politicians. Looks like Michel predicted future like Verne.

Eastern EU border is currently facing hybrid war by Putin, which is using Middle-East illegal immigrants taken by planes from Iraq to create dissent in eastern EU flank - it's hard to treat "immigrants" as hostiles where EU anthem states that all people are brothers - well, it seems this is not an universal truth like we liked to believe some time ago.

It is also actually interesting to see American ppl opposing Trump on the wall idea from European perspective and all the recent developments.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Therefore as long as you are white, you should be ok. If you are from South America it may be worse for you. The uphill battle is dating for black and moslem/arabian guys now - they are perceived by a lot of people as potential troublemakers in EU countries now.

I did not realize this applied to Black or Hispanic men. In fact, I would assume Hispanic men are borderline exotic in Europe as I barely met any of them in my time there outside of Spain. I thought this was more true for Arabic and Muslim men who cannot score at all in places like France.

 

[Clockwerk50]

For example in Germany there were hundreds of cases of sexual assaults committed by immigrants (moslems) on local females during open New Year celebrations on market squares which are common in european cultures, cases where several year or child or very old females were raped by young immigrants thirsty for some action. There were recently at least couple of car-related assaults where descedants of immigrants attacked Germans on Christmas fares (dozens of people dead or wounded), this type of crime mostly coming out of frustration from living in country where locals don't really want to give you equal treatment (in spite of what law says) or you simply do not respect core western values - same type of crimes often happened in France (e.g. in Marseille years ago if I recall correctly). Bataclan theatre - mass murder of young french people by moslem radicals, Charlie Hebdo office - mass murder of french journalists by moslem radicals. Cities like Paris or Brussells are no longer safe after dark. Sweden is learning the immigrant lesson the hard way now - people in eastern Europe (Czech Rep., Hungary, Slovakia, Poland etc.) listen to what happens in France, Germany, Spain or Italy and don't want the same to repeat where they live.

When french writer, Michel Houellebecq wrote "Soumission" several years ago - a political fiction book about France falling into hands of moslems and effectively becoming a moslem country, he left Paris when the book premiered and did not attend any events, being afraid for his life. Iirc he wrote about organisation like Islam Brotherhood doing a lot of covert moves to gain influence among liberal intellectualists, journalists, education workers and politicians. Boom, several years later, early 2025, french internal affairs report comes out stating that Islam Brotherhood is actually invigilating french power and intellectual circles and using youtubers/influencers to convince young men to Islam. The report confirmed Islam Brotherhood members are running top positions in French education, including several universities and some are politicians. Looks like Michel predicted future like Verne.

Eastern EU border is currently facing hybrid war by Putin, which is using Middle-East illegal immigrants taken by planes from Iraq to create dissent in eastern EU flank - it's hard to treat "immigrants" as hostiles where EU anthem states that all people are brothers - well, it seems this is not an universal truth like we liked to believe some time ago.

It is also actually interesting to see American ppl opposing Trump on the wall idea from European perspective and all the recent developments.

I think it's a bit different. In Europe and many other places, most immigrants come from countries where capitalism is either non-existent or heavily suppressed, which creates intense social and financial pressures. When they arrive in a "free" country, they often struggle to adjust because they may not fully understand the social norms and boundaries that exist.

In contrast, immigrants to the U.S. are technically free, and they tend to integrate into a society where the sexual and social dynamics are more openly understood. For example, many immigrants from Hispanic countries are familiar with the sexual marketplace because they’ve been exposed to those dynamics in their home countries. They have a different level of awareness about how things work in terms of dating and relationships, so the adjustment process is a bit smoother.

 

[CornbreadFed]

In contrast, immigrants to the U.S. are technically free, and they tend to integrate into a society where the sexual and social dynamics are more openly understood. For example, many immigrants from Hispanic countries are familiar with the sexual marketplace because they’ve been exposed to those dynamics in their home countries. They have a different level of awareness about how things work in terms of dating and relationships, so the adjustment process is a bit smoother.

Idk about this.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Good lord guys. I know I might sound messed up for saying this but props to the Spanish at the end for actually doing something about these animals while the French just take it. The guy's comment at the end also got me, they CAN move around freely within Europe. 2.1 million Palestinians being let in? MY GOODNESS.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I think it's a bit different. In Europe and many other places, most immigrants come from countries where capitalism is either non-existent or heavily suppressed, which creates intense social and financial pressures. When they arrive in a "free" country, they often struggle to adjust because they may not fully understand the social norms and boundaries that exist.

In contrast, immigrants to the U.S. are technically free, and they tend to integrate into a society where the sexual and social dynamics are more openly understood. For example, many immigrants from Hispanic countries are familiar with the sexual marketplace because they’ve been exposed to those dynamics in their home countries. They have a different level of awareness about how things work in terms of dating and relationships, so the adjustment process is a bit smoother.

I can speak to this as someone who was a child of immigrants. Europeans went towards immigration partially to show off against Americans. Notice that for years, us Americans were the "racists". Then they let in some Arabs and look at how Europe has shown its true colors. This is not to mention the downright racist history of countries like France who colonized the crap outta Africa and the Arab world and treated their local Arab refugees and immigrants like crap for decades.

Thing is, American values are about you learning American culture and American culture is accepting if you play by it. By contrast, most of Western Europe outside the UK is not. They only accept other White Europeans.

For example, immigration in France was not an issue when the Italians flooded into it (like they have historically done everywhere), they were White European so now tons of "French" people are actually just Italian mixed. It did become an issue once they skin color of the immigrants got darker because in Europe, at least France, it is all based on ethnic appearance. French people look a certain way.

It trips me up because in Miami, we are being flooded with Western Europeans, the French are the biggest culprits and in my view, also the biggest parasites here.

 

[characternote]

props to the Spanish

Spanish police do not fvck about! I was in a Spanish jail for a while (classic 'Brit banged up abroad' but it wasn't my fault. Just caught in the mix) but yeah, it's a world away from our pathetic UK police force. They beat the **** out of some of the guys I was with lol.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I can speak to this as someone who was a child of immigrants. Europeans went towards immigration partially to show off against Americans. Notice that for years, us Americans were the "racists". Then they let in some Arabs and look at how Europe has shown its true colors. This is not to mention the downright racist history of countries like France who colonized the crap outta Africa and the Arab world and treated their local Arab refugees and immigrants like crap for decades.

Thing is, American values are about you learning American culture and American culture is accepting if you play by it. By contrast, most of Western Europe outside the UK is not. They only accept other White Europeans.

For example, immigration in France was not an issue when the Italians flooded into it (like they have historically done everywhere), they were White European so now tons of "French" people are actually just Italian mixed. It did become an issue once they skin color of the immigrants got darker because in Europe, at least France, it is all based on ethnic appearance. French people look a certain way.

It trips me up because in Miami, we are being flooded with Western Europeans, the French are the biggest culprits and in my view, also the biggest parasites here.

I disagree that the increase in immigration was about showing off to America or purely humanitarian reasons. It’s more about corporations pushing for cheap labor and wage suppression to increase profits. A recent article about Quebec business owners suing over temporary foreign worker permits shows how economic interests play a big role. This is the kind of stuff Qatar does for World Cup stadium construction, and Dubai does to build their overcompensated city in the desert.

But back to your point, I get what you're saying. In Canada, "Happy Holidays" is meant to include everyone, but it often creates contradictions, like some schools using their budget to celebrate Eid or Diwali while Christmas gets downplayed. I understand the goal is to integrate various communities, but it doesn’t always work smoothly. However, recently, I’ve noticed more interracial relationships in Canadian media, like an East Indian man and a white woman as parents in a commercial, or a Colombian friend of mine dating a Pakistani man. But in both cases, they’re often “white-washed” to fit mainstream culture.

From my time in the U.S., I noticed that communities seemed more segregated, like with BET and Black colleges, and Hispanics holding onto their communities as hard as they can.

That said, I do believe that the more cultures integrate and unify, the easier it becomes to date interracially, even if that’s not the main focus of governmental policies.

23 Quebec business owners launch $300 million lawsuit over temporary foreign worker permits

 

[Clockwerk50]

Idk about this.

This topic is not my forte and I don't live in the US so I might be wrong. Maybe you should elaborate so that I can learn.

 

[CornbreadFed]

This topic is not my forte and I don't live in the US so I might be wrong. Maybe you should elaborate so that I can learn.

Assimilation in the US is kind of fading facade. It was easier immigrants and Americans to co-exist when the USSR was around to point at, job opportunities were great, and people were living in these fancy suburbs with space. Now, all of that is going away and you are starting to see the true colors. I cannot go a day without seeing something anti-Indian, ICE raid, illegal Latin America slander, black fatigue, and etc. IMHO, I think Americans are fed up with Neo-Liberalism and it has been the instigator behind mass immigration. I live in Texas and you can just tell the hispanics here have gotten quiet due to the ICE raids happening here. The only reason I think the US has an edge over Europe is because we are taking immigrants from places with a foundation of civilization like India, Latin America, East Asia, and Nigeria (Yes Nigeria had kingdoms back in the day) while Europe is taking immigrants from dark hole/highly instable areas of the world like The Sahel, Central Africa, parts of the Middle East, Pakistan, and etc. It is a lot easier to integrate someone from India than someone from the fringes of the Sahel. In addition, like at @Jesse Pinkman stated, these areas were further exploited by the same European countries taking them in, so what is the incentive to build. Yes, the US has meddled in other countries especially Latin America, but they aren't the only thing to blame for the instability in that region.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I went to Prague and Budapest last year and went to Prague again this year too, but this time for an entire week. One thing I have noticed even within the year is how much more guarded local women were in general. Nightlife was almost no locals and it was a much worse vibe than last year overall. I have some local friends and what they have told me is that a recent phenomenon is heading more eastward. This is some of what they said so not really how I see it.

Prague is used to drunk Brits and recently, even Russian and Ukrainian dudes who can be aggressive. However, what has started to happen is that refugees who came to Western Europe a decade ago realized that they could not assimilate into their local countries. This meant that dating and getting laid was going to be a lot tougher. I know for a fact that this is the case for Arab guys in France.

Word got around and a lot of these guys of a refugee background decided to travel Eastward. Their Schengen or whatever you call it lets them. They never lost their aggressive and predatory ways towards women that failed them in Western Europe and instead are, supposedly, bringing them eastward.

This is making women in Eastern Europe much more weary and guarded compared to the past years. Local guys are also becoming more protective since a lot of the refugees bring seedy behavior with them.

FWIW, I hear a lot of these refugee guys are coming from France which makes sense since French society has a big issue with Arabs and Muslims.

Or it could just all be hearsay from a handful of guys I know.

Eastern Europeans couldn't join the EU fast enough when the old Comn Bloc fell apart in the late 80's/early 90's. They looked up to Western Europe and wanted to emulate the West in every way. Little did they know that a couple of decades later, "European integration" would mean swarms of sexually frustrated Arabs, Turks and Africans - by now citizens of France, Germany, UK and other Western European countries - would be knocking on their gates like some modern day Hunnic Horde.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Spanish police do not fvck about! I was in a Spanish jail for a while (classic 'Brit banged up abroad' but it wasn't my fault. Just caught in the mix) but yeah, it's a world away from our pathetic UK police force. They beat the **** out of some of the guys I was with lol.

The nation that was in Generalisimo Franco's clutches for MOST of The 20th Century still has a serious problem with police brutality?! Next, we'll discover that Times Up and intimacy coordinators have all been window dressing, and that the casting couch remains just as omnipresent in Hollywood as it's always been

 

[BaronOfHair]

8:48 In other words, these Spaniards who've "Had enough, and are now responding with violence"(I.E. Assaulting anyone who so much as LOOKS as if they might belong to the demographic said Spaniards hold responsible for life not panning out the way they prefer it would)are now behaving just like those dastardly foreigners(Folks who assault random natives, as a means of soothing their personal frustrations)they pretend to hold the moral high ground over

Always a relief to see that our commitment to due process and justice for one and all remains foremost among our priorities, while we vehemently reject lapsing into mob mentality and cultivating an insatiable hard-on for vendetta