Amogged by bartender on a date.

[crowolf]

Here is some feedback:

1) A good date would be 2-3 venues. The guy who commented above is right about telling you that you come late and then leave early. Of course this will piss the girl off, and she might go to the bartender just to make you mad. And to have fun, after probably getting ready for 2-3 hours just go get told "I have to go" an hour in.

2) As you "suggested" getting wine the next time at your place, this might sounded like you only want to f*ck her asap, and that's all.

 

[SW15]

The reason I didn't buy drinks at that place is that it's a fancy, expensive ****tail bar.

I am surprised that this meeting spot hasn't been more of an issue sooner. You have been communicative that it is a meeting spot only and not the date venue. Perhaps other females paid attention to that and this one didn't. It's a risky tactic you've used because you've set a possible expectation of a date at a fancy spirits bar.

A girl would never go inside the 7/11 to wait and get hit on, and even if she did, we would be moving out of there as it's no date location. There's always a risk she'll be hit on by a daygamer

There are daygamers at convenience stores. I have a former female friend whose looks are mid and she was in her 30s during our friendship. As a mid 30 something female, she was hit on by daygamers in convenience stores. She complained about the low quality of men that hit on her in a convenience store. These were even lower quality men than the men who approached her in actual grocery stores.

much less of a threat than a bartender giving her a free drink and rizzing her up.

I agree that a convenience store clerk is less of a threat for a seduction attempt than a bartender.

I usually take girls to cheap places and it's never been an issue, only with provider hunter type girls who are out to get wined & dined. Going for a walk and having a cheap soda works amazingly well, too.

That can work. It depends on a lot of factors.

In 2011, Roosh wrote his famous article about getting laid while unemployed, lacking money, and living in his dad's basement.

Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement

It is possible to get laid as a broke man spending little on dates if everything is framed correctly. Above average looks help with this.

Roosh is a 6'0"+ height male and he was physically fit during his PUA years.

 

[The Duke]

@Optimus I wouldn't suggest having a girl meet you outside of 7-11 either. Most won't feel safe and will think it's strange.

If you can't afford a few drinks then you probably shouldn't be dating.

I'd work on improving my financial situation first.

 

[SW15]

@Optimus I wouldn't suggest having a girl meet you outside of 7-11 either. Most won't feel safe and will think it's strange.

The idea of meeting a woman for a date at a 7/11 or other convenience store has never occurred to me.

If you can't afford a few drinks then you probably shouldn't be dating.

Drinks at bars are a part of the seduction equation. It's possible to go to a more downscale bar and still have effective dates, but to avoid bars in the early stages of dating is not a good idea.

Dinner dates in restaurants are even more expensive and less effective in leading to sex.

 

[optinimus]

@Optimus I wouldn't suggest having a girl meet you outside of 7-11 either. Most won't feel safe and will think it's strange.

If you can't afford a few drinks then you probably shouldn't be dating.

I'd work on improving my financial situation first.

I live in a safe country, in the best, most central part of the city. It literally doesn't matter. Seems like most people here are Americans and you guys do things differently.

I have gotten 100+ lays over the years at my old crib by meeting girls in front of the scrawniest, cheapest bar next to my home, having wine and pulling them to my place after. Since I've moved, I haven't yet found the ideal place to replicate this strategy.

So you absolutely can get laid easily by taking them to a cheap place. I'd rather invest money than have expensive dates where you're not guaranteed to even get laid.

 

[optinimus]

Where is the escalation? the kiss? the touching? why not wine for that same night along with some fvcking? Did you spend money to jerk off in your apartment??


So, you spend a fvcking hour talking $hits, making her tipsy for you to say "I had to get going" WTF is that dude?


Nobody did $hit to you, you are super insecure.

The tittle should say "Spent money a girl, got her tipsy and the bartender fvcked her cause I didn't have the balls to be bold... HELP!!"

You sound all worked up. Lay off the juice brother

 

[Bokanovsky]

In 2011, Roosh wrote his famous article about getting laid while unemployed, lacking money, and living in his dad's basement.

Absent evidence to the contrary, Roosh's articles are best treated as works of fiction.

 

[Bokanovsky]

There are daygamers at convenience stores. I have a former female friend whose looks are mid and she was in her 30s during our friendship. As a mid 30 something female, she was hit on by daygamers in convenience stores. She complained about the low quality of men that hit on her in a convenience store. These were even lower quality men than the men who approached her in actual grocery stores.

Women tend to exaggerate these types of occurrences. It probably happened only once or twice in her entire life and she makes it sound like she gets approached in grocery stores all the time.

This reminds me of the time when one of my exes told me about being approached by a younger guy at the local mall (probably to try to make me jealous). I just laughed inwardly because that mall was, at the time, notorious for being a PUA stomping ground. It was where PUA "coaches" brought their "students" and instructed them to mindlessly approach every woman that they cross paths with. Little did my ex know that the guy in question likely approached 100+ other women in the mall that day.

 

[SW15]

Women tend to exaggerate these types of occurrences. It probably happened only once or twice in her entire life and she makes it sound like she gets approached in grocery stores all the time.

She wasn't. She received about 5 grocery store approaches lifetime. I think she had received 3 convenience store approaches. She got approached in parks 1-2 times that she mentioned to me and she mentioned 1 mall approach. She didn't exaggerate her quantity of approaches. In fact, her day-to-day routine was so subpar that she was far too reliant on swipe apps to meet men.

The volume of men demonstrating interest in her on swipe apps was far more than she was getting in real life. If she had a better day-to-day routine, she could have received more approaches in real life and possibly more approaches from compatible men.

 

[Glassguy]

I'm not playing the blame game. I take 100% responsibility. From now on, I will never tell girls to meet me in front of this bar, but rather meet me in front of a close 7/11 or something similar.

The reason I didn't buy drinks at that place is that it's a fancy, expensive ****tail bar. Me buying drinks would most likely not change the outcome. It wouldn't change the fact that I was 10 mins late, she had already gotten hit on, and she probably already had more tingles for the bartender

I usually take girls to cheap places and it's never been an issue, only with provider hunter type girls who are out to get wined & dined. Going for a walk and having a cheap soda works amazingly well, too.

BTW, I usually always arrive approx 5 mins after the girl, as I only leave my house once she texts me that she's there. We all know women have a hard time keeping appointments, so this is totally a time saver. I've never had issues arriving 5 mins late, but 10 mins is probably pushing it.

You're not getting it.

 

[zekko]

She wasn't. She received about 5 grocery store approaches lifetime.

I find that random women talk to me in grocery stores quite often. I don't know if you'd consider that an "approach", but they come up and talk to me. They're not coming up asking me for dates, but they might be open to me asking them. Which I don't do, because I'm not available, and I'm not a cheater. But I'll chat with them.

Regarding the OP, I might suggest that he end the leaving early on first date experiment. It's not that it's a bad idea necessarily, but I would be more flexible to reading the situation and adjusting accordingly.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I find that random women talk to me in grocery stores quite often. I don't know if you'd consider that an "approach", but they come up and talk to me. They're not coming up asking me for dates, but they might be open to me asking them. Which I don't do, because I'm not available, and I'm not a cheater. But I'll chat with them.

Interesting. Do you live in a smaller town where people are naturally more chatty or in a big city? Are any of those women good looking?

 

[MatureDJ]

Wild date story time. Just had a date with a cute Ukranian. Something absolutely unexpected happened during this date and i've definitely learnt a tough lesson here...

I told her to meet me in front of X bar, and I usually tell girls this because it's close to my home. It's not the bar where I will take them, but just the meeting point. On this date I arrived 5-10 minutes too late, and when I came, she already gone inside this particular bar, and of course, some bartender had already rizzed her up and given her a free beer.

I met her inside the bar, and told her to come sit outside with me, so at least I had her for myself. So far so good. On the date I think it went quite well. Good banter, physicality, and she seemed interested and even future projected some future date ideas like cooking etc. At the end I pitched the idea of us having wine at my place next time, and she seemed open to the idea with a little bit of hesitance (maybe to not seem too easy).

After we had talked for an hour, I told her I had to get going, and now something interesting happened. She asked me to bring the beer glass to the bar because she felt bad we hadn't bought anything. I told her don't worry, it's their job to clean up. We got up, and then she actually took the glass herself and brought it into the bar. A few mins later she comes out and says goodbye, and tells me she will stay at the bar.

I told her goodbye unphased and went home. At that point, I realized I had gotten amogged big time by the bartender.

I definitely learnt a lesson here:

Don't tell a girl to meet you in front of a bar, because they will think this is the place we will be going to, and they'll get in early and get hit on by a bartender. Also I think this girl was annoyed that I was late for the date, and maybe she wanted to test me a bit as well.

I think I did alright by not being phased by what happened. The fact that the girl said she would stay at the bar seems a little bit disrespectful, but maybe that's just my ego talking. Would you ditch this girl or text her and see if she's up for a 2nd date?

Have you ever gotten amogged by a bartender or waiter?

It's OVER for MoggedByTheWaitStaffCels.

 

[MatureDJ]

Sat outside the bar. We shared the beer she had gotten for free by the bartender. But yes. These days I'm trying to avoid buying drinks at expensive bars - waste of money. My plan was to take her to the grocery store, get some sodas and go for a walk.

So you were sucking on the bartender's stuff as well.

 

[PlatoPacks23]

I have never heard of someone who planned to meet at a bar and not get any drinks... but instead go to a grocery store to get sodas.



Can you explain how this makes any sense if a girl told her friends this?

 

[The Duke]

I have never heard of someone who planned to meet at a bar and not get any drinks... but instead go to a grocery store to get sodas.

Can you explain how this makes any sense if a girl told her friends this?

My guess is he thought he would improve his chances of getting her to meet for a date by inviting her to meet at the "expensive" bar. Then at the last minute pulls the cheap skate switch because he has no money.

And @optinimus , a man that has been with over 100 women doesn't ask or make rookie mistakes like you do. I don't care what country you live in.

 

[ValiantMale]

I'm not playing the blame game. I take 100% responsibility. From now on, I will never tell girls to meet me in front of this bar, but rather meet me in front of a close 7/11 or something similar.

The reason I didn't buy drinks at that place is that it's a fancy, expensive ****tail bar. Me buying drinks would most likely not change the outcome. It wouldn't change the fact that I was 10 mins late, she had already gotten hit on, and she probably already had more tingles for the bartender

I usually take girls to cheap places and it's never been an issue, only with provider hunter type girls who are out to get wined & dined. Going for a walk and having a cheap soda works amazingly well, too.

BTW, I usually always arrive approx 5 mins after the girl, as I only leave my house once she texts me that she's there. We all know women have a hard time keeping appointments, so this is totally a time saver. I've never had issues arriving 5 mins late, but 10 mins is probably pushing it.

Again you're blaming the bartender /bar setting and creating competition in your own mind. A man that is confident in his ability and skill doesn't see other men as competition.. She came there to see YOU not the bartender. You happened to be late, that means nothing if you can show her a good time. YOu simply did not. What gril wants to meet up for a single drink and go home? The most average of men trying to get laid know the more drinks youg et in her, the easier things get. Now that doesn't mean that should be your angle but I don't blame her for wanting to stay when you wanted to leave.. like others said, you made yourself look like a boring cheapskate.

At the end of the day, what this all boils down to is, you have no game. I don't mean it in a disrespectful way.. It's just blatantly obvious in everything you said.

 

[PlatoPacks23]

Again you're blaming the bartender /bar setting and creating competition in your own mind. A man that is confident in his ability and skill doesn't see other men as competition.. She came there to see YOU not the bartender. You happened to be late, that means nothing if you can show her a good time. YOu simply did not. What gril wants to meet up for a single drink and go home? The most average of men trying to get laid know the more drinks youg et in her, the easier things get. Now that doesn't mean that should be your angle but I don't blame her for wanting to stay when you wanted to leave.. like others said, you made yourself look like a boring cheapskate.

At the end of the day, what this all boils down to is, you have no game. I don't mean it in a disrespectful way.. It's just blatantly obvious in everything you said.

I'm not even convinced the bartender was a competitor. The main issue is the guy hyped the date and the girl was into it.

Even IF the Bartender was into her, if the guy had simply stayed for 2+ hours it would have worked without having one single drink.

The entire situation had wrong expectations on both ends.

 

[zekko]

Interesting. Do you live in a smaller town where people are naturally more chatty or in a big city? Are any of those women good looking?

I do live in a relatively small town, but I never really noticed that people are more chatty here. And yes, some of the women are attractive, pretty young girls, older ladies, all types really. I like to cook, and unlike most guys, I like grocery shopping. Maybe that vibe shows through. A lot of them ask me questions about food. Like this one woman asked me what kind of chicken seasoning she should use. Maybe I look like I know what I'm doing lol.

 

[Gamisch]

Please tell me this is a troll post.

Why are you dating If you can't even afford to buy drinks?

You are 33???? Damn..

You should be working 33 jobs and stay away from the game untill you got your money right