3 Best Tried & Tested Openers

[BaronOfHair]

Anything "canned" will seem forced & unnatural. And conversely, if it comes off naturally, you can get away with A LOT, even something brazen, like "Nice boobs!"

I have a pretty exhaustive compendium of topics and ideas that I draw upon, when striking up a conversation with someone, INCLUDING a women a desire. Perhaps this could be considered "canned material"

We can liken this to rhetoric... When one has a strong command of what they want to say, they can deliver these "lines" as if you're just speaking off the top of your head

 

[BPH]

There is a hundreds of guys trying to message her who she finds attractive. Catching her attention and standing out is the only way to succeed, especially with the hottest girls

Hundreds of guys are messaging her, yes, but catching her attention doesn't require some sort of uniqueness to your opener...

Haven't you watched any of those Tinder experiments where they use a really hot guy and write heinous sh** in their bio? Or when they message them straight up "wanna f***?"

It's just about appearance - if she's attracted enough she's unlikely to really care about what you say.

 

[SW15]

Or when they message them straight up "wanna f***?"

It's just about appearance - if she's attracted enough she's unlikely to really care about what you say.

I agree that it is mostly about appearance.

This was a Bumble experiment where a guy with a top tier physique texts "wanna smash?" immediately. There are enough women who say yes. However, he got flagged for sexual harassment quickly by doing super direct.

 

[CoolWave1331]

I don't think it matters (the opener) if she's attracted for the most part -

# 2 seems strange to me I don't think I could ever see myself using it. #1 and #3 I could.

I usually use variation of #1 as an opener. About two months ago I was at the grocery store and I walked past somewhat cute girl. She smiled as we passed in isle. I found her a bit later next to dairy stuff and I decided to make conversation. I got near and I pretended I was uncertain about what I wanted/the products. I then said excuse & I asked her if she ever tried Stonyfield. We made small chit chat and then I forget how I did it but I asked her to show me another product/if she knew where it was. I then said I don't think i've seen her there and I visit every couple of days to pick up small number of things. I then got her #>

I had a date with her 3 weeks ago. She was finishing up semester so I will probably go out with again next week or week after. She told me she did not expect me to talk to her and guys usually don't (approach in public).

 

[BadBoy89]

Advice from the old lady:

Anything "canned" will seem forced & unnatural. And conversely, if it comes off naturally, you can get away with A LOT, even something brazen, like "Nice boobs!"

Come on, you can’t say that, Not classy.

Ethan Hunt to Ilsa Faust “Nice boobs!”

Swipe apps can be harder because with just text you loose all the inflection & bravado that live real time interaction entails. Even the phone or video call is better than straight text alone because much of what is communicated is non verbal and going on subconsciously to a degree. Your mind prefers the non verbal information to size up another human. We are all built that way.

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The man I know who totally slays on the swipe apps (other than being tall and having above average looks) is amazing at text banter. He picks something specific to the woman to comment on rather than a direct pick up line. That often gets an exchange started.

"How did you get into rock climbing?"

"What was your favorite spot in Italy?"

BeExcellent is laying it on thick here,

“Other than” being tall and above average looks? Honey, that’s it, He could say the worst thing in the world and it wouldn’t matter to the girl because of his height and looks, It would matter more if the woman was single mother or older, but still.

Remember gentlemen, every person's very favorite topic is themselves. So you ask a question about something she shared on her profile. This automatically tells her 2 things:

1. You actually paid attention and read the profile

2. You are curious to find out more about her

Obviously you find her attractive (duh) otherwise you wouldn't initiate contact at all (double duh)....

The corny lines given by OP are canned because they don't require an individually tailored opener.

Takes more time; gets better results.

Unless the man in top tier online, no specific lines will work.

Why? Because girls use their logical brain online, If the man is not tall, dark, and handsome -> go to hell. In real life too, but not as much,

 

[BaronOfHair]

-Hi

-Yo

-What's Up?


Each is phenomenally effective

 

[BeExcellent]

Come on, you can’t say that, Not classy.

Ethan Hunt to Ilsa Faust “Nice boobs!”



BeExcellent is laying it on thick here,

“Other than” being tall and above average looks? Honey, that’s it, He could say the worst thing in the world and it wouldn’t matter to the girl because of his height and looks, It would matter more if the woman was single mother or older, but still.



Unless the man in top tier online, no specific lines will work.

Why? Because girls use their logical brain online, If the man is not tall, dark, and handsome -> go to hell. In real life too, but not as much,

I'm not laying it on thick. Ok so you think that everything is strictly appearance online? Not entirely. A girl prefers to feel like the guy made at least the effort of reading the profile.

If that simply reinforces what you believe? Ok. But own it

Women are not as one dimensional as men regarding looks.

And yes with the right delivery a man can say something that appears quite crass on paper, like "Nice Boobs!"

There is something to be said for the bold move.

 

[FireTexts]

I agree that it is mostly about appearance.

This was a Bumble experiment where a guy with a top tier physique texts "wanna smash?" immediately. There are enough women who say yes. However, he got flagged for sexual harassment quickly by doing super direct.

yes that was my channel lol. I ran this experiment

 

[Sega Genesis]

Women are not as one dimensional as men regarding looks.

100% agree with this^^.

And yes with the right delivery a man can say something that appears quite crass on paper, like "Nice Boobs!"

Online? Before a meet?

Speaking only for myself obviously, this would turn me right off even IF he were hot and we had an established rapport.

I think it reflects very low class. Surely, there are better and classier ways of telling a woman you find her and her breasts attractive while chatting online before a meet?

Course if he said it in a person, vibe and tone come into play so I might feel differently.

Possibly.

But on its face prior to meet, again I find "nice boobs!" to be very low class.

P.S. I'm neither a single mom or "older."

Old-fashioned when it comes to this stuff?
Fair and I'll own that.

 

[BeExcellent]

Speaking only for myself obviously, this would turn me right off even IF he were hot and we had an established rapport.

I think it reflects very low class. Surely, there are better and classier ways of telling a woman you find her and her breasts attractive while chatting online before a meet?

Course if he said it in a person, vibe and tone come into play so I might feel differently.

Possibly.

But on its face prior to meet, again I find "nice boobs!" to be very low class.

P.S. I'm neither a single mom or "older."

Old-fashioned when it comes to this stuff?
Fair and I'll own that.

My point of course is that with the right delivery in person a guy can say just about anything. You guys (and gals) reading the comment are filtering the words through your own personal filters with zero context, non verbal cues or anything else.

Naturally therefore you conclude you'd NEVER be responsive (or that a woman would never respond to such a thing). Au contraire. In fact the most responsive women are more often than not the most straight laced. Casanova himself used the bold move to great advantage when the right moment presented itself. There are people who are SO uptight and easily offended that on the face of it they react aghast like "How dare you say such a thing (objectify me, etc.)" but underneath all that offended behavior they actually want to be recognized as a sexually desirable being......

Now. To be able to pull such a thing off a man must have self confidence, IDGAF attitude and read the nuance of the situation and interaction, obviously. And he must be fully committed to the action irrespective of outcome.

I've had things that direct said to me before. I never take offense or judge a man as "not classy". How silly.

Now to say that in an inappropriate setting like a business meeting? Sure. Stupid and not classy.

But in a nightlife environment, very different. My response to such things? To appreciate the effort and to acknowledge. Of course I already know I'm desirable, so to me, such things are stating the obvious. Sometimes the best response is "Thank you"......

But again, vibe and context matter more than anything else in an interaction. With the right vibe a man can get away with much more than the prudes and the scaredy cats realize.

And if a woman vehemently recoils? Just have a laugh and keep moving. Such a woman is NOT receptive (but talented seducers do not run into that upset reaction because they already read the interaction), so it is either for their own amusement or a way to pre-select a receptive woman IN REAL LIFE FACE to FACE with startling efficiency.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Naturally therefore you conclude you'd NEVER be responsive (or that a woman would never respond to such a thing). Au contraire. In fact the most responsive women are more often than not the most straight laced.

Bolded, I didn't actually say that Be.

Again...

Course if he said it in a person, vibe and tone come into play so I might feel differently.

But when online dating, swipe apps and such,
I did tend to be more particular as without vibe and tone, bold comments like that can come across quite off-putting.and appear low class.

I was not offended, not much offends me anymore, it was just a turn off. For me. I can't speak for other women.

And I simply moved on to next.

And for that reason, I think men seeking beautiful quality women need to be very careful about making such bold comments especially as openers online before meeting in person. .

JMO.

I agree that often times the most responsive women are NOT the most straight-laced!

Myself included!

 

[BeExcellent]

Bolded, I didn't actually say that Be.

Again...



But with online yes I do tend to be more particular as without vibe and tone, bold comments like that can come across quite off-putting.and appear low class.

I am not offended, not much offends me anymore, it's just a turn off. For me. I can't speak for other women.

And I simply move on to next.

And for that reason, I think men seeking beautiful quality women need to be very careful about expressing such bold comments especially online before meeting in person. .

JMO.

I agree that often times the most responsive women are NOT the most straight-laced!

Myself included!

Don't worry Sega, don't be so literal. I did not assign what I said to YOU. Many people lurk here who never post, and the commentary will exist here for a long time.

So I am talking about the audience, who is largely unlnown.

My first post in the thread gave practical advice about OLD or text interactions. I did not suggest such a brazen approach in that medium, although, with a little rapport built I've seen it work. Now. I don't do OLD myself. But most of my male friends do; some of whom are accomplished in getting results. The strategies I document here work. I've seen men get results that way.

So I share to add some tools to the guys' toolbox both via text/OLD and in real life.

Brazen is typically not going to come off well for a man who is afraid of women, scared to approach, or who mistrusts women.

It is more a move for a man who is sure of himself and who genuinely likes women & knows not to take females too seriously. Those guys can get away with a lot because they are likeable. Those are the guys who can naturally pull off c ocky & funny, which something like "Nice boobs!" and a big smile or a wink would be right up the C&F alley. Meeting people can be tremendous fun if you don't take things so seriously.

And its also why C&F doesn't work for every dude.

Advice here can appear very conflicting at times, a man has to take the pieces of information and figure out what is best suited to him. Its an individual thing.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Don't worry Sega, don't be so literal. I did not assign what I said to YOU.

Well you did quote my post Be so naturally I assumed your response was assigned to me and what I posted.

Had you not quoted me, I might have taken it more generally.

But okay appreciate the clarification.
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