be normal successful people

[jhonny9546]

Some men are born into wealth, they inherit money or take over a family business that's been passed down for generations. This is quite common in places like Japan. Others are born with nothing, no inheritance, no family business, no financial safety net.


In the first case, the man is already considered "valuable" by society, and life tends to be much easier.
In the second case, it's incredibly difficult for a man to become rich or financially independent before he's 60.
By then, he's already considered old, maybe even too late to fully enjoy that success.



So we have:

• A 25-year-old who inherited a million dollar and runs a butcher shop that brings in another million annually.
• A 35-year-old who rents his home and works a government job earning 50k a year.

The second man probably won't become rich anytime soon, if ever. But in the meantime, is his lifestyle and income enough to give him a high SMV? So here’s the question:
For the category of women with a head on their shoulder, is a man with a regular job, a stable salary, working as an employee, office worker, or as a policemen or as a govenrment one, so earning a regular salary at a humble job, seen as a turnoff?

 

[Westminster]

It depends on his looks, physique, whatever else he's got going on.

 

[plumber]

this is simple. the 25 years old is in a better position. sure we could brainstorm all sorts of exceptions, but generally in you question the 25 years old is more attractive.

often times older parents will consider these things for the children to be able to prepare them.

plenty of cases where the 25years old never advances while the 35 years old moves up or starts a side hustle.

at the start the 25 is ahead.

you already know this. is the question what should the 35 years old do??

 

[JacquesMemoirs]

It’s true that when a boy is born into a powerful family 90% of his life struggles have already been won.

The majority of billionaire entrepreneurs had wealthy parents and business connections well concealed.

 

[jhonny9546]

is the question what should the 35 years old do??

We might want to know

 

[plumber]

We might want to know

so take a guess.

one of the most useful things is for the 35 old to get clear on what they want. basically a definition of success and internalize it.

 

[jhonny9546]

so take a guess.

one of the most useful things is for the 35 old to get clear on what they want. basically a definition of success and internalize it.

It sounds both ambitious and close-minded at the same time.
And that's exactly what I keep pointing out on this forum: if you want to have your own "goal" or a set "direction" for your ship—and you're okay with setting boundaries for the people around you—what are you really embracing? A closed mindset.
When people say, "You know, you should be more empathetic with your girlfriend and your kids," you’ll reply, "Yeah, yeah, thanks, I’ll do that." But deep down, you know that advice just bounced off you and moved on.
Or when they tell you, "You should pursue this career, it’s better than that other one," but you’re not interested—because you know what you want to do: become a shrimp fisherman. And that’s exactly what you’ll do.
I’ve always admired open-mindedness, but from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t take much to lose sight of your own true north.
And all the stubborn, close-minded people around me? They’re magnetic.
While that “open-minded” friend of yours? He’s their friend.
That said…
The most important part of having clear ideas isn’t just about internalizing them. It’s about communicating them.
So how do you do that properly?
Want me to help with how to express those ideas in the right way too?
4o
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It sounds both ambitious and close-minded at the same time,
And that's exactly what I keep pointing out on this forum: if you want to have your own "goal" or a set "direction" for your ship, and you're okay with setting boundaries for the people around you, what are you really embracing? A closed mindset.
When people say, "You know, you should be more empathetic with your girlfriend and your kids," you’ll reply, "Yeah, yeah, thanks, I’ll do that." But deep down, you know that advice just bounced off you and moved on.
Or when they tell you, "You should pursue this career, it’s better than that other one," but you’re not interested, because you know what you want to do: become a shrimp fisherman, and that’s exactly what you’ll do.
I’ve always admired open-mindedness, but from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t take much to lose sight of your own true north.
And all the stubborn, close-minded people around me? They’re magnetic,
While that “open-minded” friend of yours? He’s their friend.
That said…
The most important part of having clear ideas isn’t just about internalizing them, it’s about communicating them.
So how do you do that properly?

 

[plumber]

It sounds both ambitious and close-minded at the same time.
And that's exactly what I keep pointing out on this forum: if you want to have your own "goal" or a set "direction" for your ship—and you're okay with setting boundaries for the people around you—what are you really embracing? A closed mindset.
When people say, "You know, you should be more empathetic with your girlfriend and your kids," you’ll reply, "Yeah, yeah, thanks, I’ll do that." But deep down, you know that advice just bounced off you and moved on.
Or when they tell you, "You should pursue this career, it’s better than that other one," but you’re not interested—because you know what you want to do: become a shrimp fisherman. And that’s exactly what you’ll do.
I’ve always admired open-mindedness, but from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t take much to lose sight of your own true north.
And all the stubborn, close-minded people around me? They’re magnetic.
While that “open-minded” friend of yours? He’s their friend.
That said…
The most important part of having clear ideas isn’t just about internalizing them. It’s about communicating them.
So how do you do that properly?
Want me to help with how to express those ideas in the right way too?
4o
Hai detto:
replace "-" with ","

ChatGPT ha detto:
Sure! Here's the revised version with hyphens replaced by commas:
It sounds both ambitious and close-minded at the same time,
And that's exactly what I keep pointing out on this forum: if you want to have your own "goal" or a set "direction" for your ship, and you're okay with setting boundaries for the people around you, what are you really embracing? A closed mindset.
When people say, "You know, you should be more empathetic with your girlfriend and your kids," you’ll reply, "Yeah, yeah, thanks, I’ll do that." But deep down, you know that advice just bounced off you and moved on.
Or when they tell you, "You should pursue this career, it’s better than that other one," but you’re not interested, because you know what you want to do: become a shrimp fisherman, and that’s exactly what you’ll do.
I’ve always admired open-mindedness, but from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t take much to lose sight of your own true north.
And all the stubborn, close-minded people around me? They’re magnetic,
While that “open-minded” friend of yours? He’s their friend.
That said…
The most important part of having clear ideas isn’t just about internalizing them, it’s about communicating them.
So how do you do that properly?

chatgpt is a good sounding board, it can be used to organize your own thoughts.

this sounds like the same question of if to self market or just improve and demonstrate ability.

also, remember that viewpoint is a big deal. perhaps others view you as part of the stubborn.

just work towards what you want, without need for approval.

the huge question is what do we want, when we remove the approval reward...

 

[jhonny9546]

chatgpt is a good sounding board, it can be used to organize your own thoughts.

this sounds like the same question of if to self market or just improve and demonstrate ability.

also, remember that viewpoint is a big deal. perhaps others view you as part of the stubborn.

just work towards what you want, without need for approval.

the huge question is what do we want, when we remove the approval reward...

I actually write in Italian, and I use it to translate what I say, then I double-check the text and publish it.
My written English is really bad and I prefer to write correctly rather than write crap.

Yes, for some of us, removing approval it's hard, because even tho you do that 100%, you still want to get compliments or at least a word on what you're doing.

 

[Manure Spherian]

For the category of women with a head on their shoulder, is a man with a regular job, a stable salary, working as an employee, office worker, or as a policemen or as a govenrment one, so earning a regular salary at a humble job, seen as a turnoff?

Ordinary men don’t have high SMV. That doesn’t mean they don’t have or can’t get women.

Cops (and firemen) ALWAYS have women! I’m surprised you included them.

 

[Travel memoir21]

Both circumstances are good enough to get women. The real test and challenge would be getting Quality women or woman. Both circumstances have their challenges.....And I can tell you that much it definitely aint cold approaching like a creep. Both jobs have good outlets for a social circle where you can mingle with a bunch of good people, establish social momentum through hobbies and events and let nature organically take its course.

 

[misua]

Both circumstances are good enough to get women. The real test and challenge would be getting Quality women or woman. Both circumstances have their challenges.....And I can tell you that much it definitely aint cold approaching like a creep. Both jobs have good outlets for a social circle where you can mingle with a bunch of good people, establish social momentum through hobbies and events and let nature organically take its course.

You make a good point about both scenarios being viable depending on what kind of social environment a guy puts himself in. A solid social circle and consistent engagement in shared interests or community events can really amplify someone's value and confidence, regardless of job title or income. The cold approach thing often lacks context and can come across as forced instead of natural. But if you're already part of a healthy social flow where people know you, see your character, and share interests with you, attraction tends to build more organically. Sometimes people overemphasize financial status without factoring in lifestyle, confidence, or emotional presence. A guy with a regular job but a strong social life and a grounded sense of self can often come across more attractive than someone wealthy but disconnected. Just my two cents.