It’s 2025, I’m going through a I hate women phase. I have to vent here.

[DreamAgain]

@cola I share many of your sentiments.

I have recently went on at least a dozen dates with various women, wasted time and money for drinks obviously, and just gave up going for the smash in the end because I knew none of these were long term material. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

My best advice would be if you notice active social media usage from any new prospects, just immediately drop them.

 

[cola]

When did you realize all of that?

It’s really been weighting on me since the new year..

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Some assume incels hate women. Perhaps some do. But, the ones I know, and I know a few, have never expressed such thoughts.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Workplace dating bans/stigma are another thing that runs contrary to human nature.

A man spends 40+ hours a week at work. When you subtract time for sleeping, getting ready for work, commuting, and evening relaxation, a man has little to no time for meeting a woman outside of work.

It's human nature a man will take a liking to certain female coworkers. In some cases, the feeling might even be mutual. Yet expressing interest in a female coworker is stigmatized at best (and could lead to a firing, possibly even lawsuit, at worst)

The fact what used to be one of the top methods to find a woman (work) is basically not an option anymore is one reason for the rise in sexlessness/datelessness among young men.

I think work is still a great place for meeting women.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

In that case, sounds like I'm missing out. What a shame I don't know how to deal with the ladies.



You saw my outfit and chest/stomach.

You don't know what I look like facially. The general consensus of most online looks raters I've used is that I'm above average.

My profile picture on here shows my bicep. I have a decent amount of bicep for a man as skinny as me.

It seems like you expect women to initiate. But ‘Above Average’ isn’t enough to get them to make a move. ‘ Above Average’ is a 6/10. Realistically 8/10 is where she’ll initiate.

You are going to have to make the move.

 

[needimprovement250]

It seems like you expect women to initiate. But ‘Above Average’ isn’t enough to get them to make a move. ‘ Above Average’ is a 6/10. Realistically 8/10 is where she’ll initiate.

You are going to have to make the move.

I’ve had 3 women initiate with me. The first one is how I lost my virginity at 21. I didn’t go out with the other 2. What you said here makes me wonder how I’m perceived by women when it comes to looks because as a guy who has very little experience with women at 31, questioning your looks is a natural reaction to being in this situation. But I do remember WheatWaffles saying that you have to be at least chadlite in terms of looks to get women to initiate.

 

[GoodMan32]

It seems like you expect women to initiate. But ‘Above Average’ isn’t enough to get them to make a move. ‘ Above Average’ is a 6/10. Realistically 8/10 is where she’ll initiate.

You are going to have to make the move.

My problem is the fact that, unless I can look into a crystal ball that tells me she'll definitely say yeah, I refuse to make a move on a woman I'm going to cross paths with again.

As for looks, I'd say I'm a 6 and a half on average. Some gals rate me as 8 or above, however.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

My problem is the fact that, unless I can look into a crystal ball that tells me she'll definitely say yeah, I refuse to make a move on a woman I'm going to cross paths with again.

As for looks, I'd say I'm a 6 and a half on average. Some gals rate me as 8 or above, however.

Hit on women who are unlikely to cross your path again.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I’ve had 3 women initiate with me. The first one is how I lost my virginity at 21. I didn’t go out with the other 2. What you said here makes me wonder how I’m perceived by women when it comes to looks because as a guy who has very little experience with women at 31, questioning your looks is a natural reaction to being in this situation. But I do remember WheatWaffles saying that you have to be at least chadlite in terms of looks to get women to initiate.

3 women in ten years is really just statistical noise.
Obviously it depends on how often you are out & about and if there are women around. But. Consider once a month (again adjusting for your exposure) to be significant. IMHO.
If 3 women approached. You’re probably 6/10. Assuming you didn’t pull them in with Game/personality…

 

[GoodMan32]

I’ve had 3 women initiate with me. The first one is how I lost my virginity at 21. I didn’t go out with the other 2. What you said here makes me wonder how I’m perceived by women when it comes to looks because as a guy who has very little experience with women at 31, questioning your looks is a natural reaction to being in this situation. But I do remember WheatWaffles saying that you have to be at least chadlite in terms of looks to get women to initiate.

I myself have only had a few gals initiate.

WheatWaffles is a joke. I paid for one of his looks ratings+analysis (luckily I'm only out $15)

He rated me a 4/10 (which contradicts the general consensus on most online looks raters I've used)

His analysis was also full of sh1t.

 

[GoodMan32]

Hit on women who are unlikely to cross your path again.

I have a thread about how I went through a phase at 23 where I used to ask total strangers in public for sex. I got declined every single time.

Even if I were to come on less strong, I'd still run into the following problem: Statistically, you're more likely to succeed with a woman who already knows you. Yet if you already know each other, you're obviously going to cross paths again (which means asking her out isn't an option for me)

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I have a thread about how I went through a phase at 23 where I used to ask total strangers in public for sex. I got declined every single time.

Even if I were to come on less strong, I'd still run into the following problem: Statistically, you're more likely to succeed with a woman who already knows you. Yet if you already know each other, you're obviously going to cross paths again (which means asking her out isn't an option for me)

Quite the conundrum.

 

[needimprovement250]

3 women in ten years is really just statistical noise.
Obviously it depends on how often you are out & about and if there are women around. But. Consider once a month (again adjusting for your exposure) to be significant. IMHO.
If 3 women approached. You’re probably 6/10. Assuming you didn’t pull them in with Game/personality…

There are never women around me. I haven’t met any women at all in several years. I’m out and about pretty often, but there’s never any women around when I am. I didn’t do anything at all to pull them in, all 3 came onto me. It would be interesting what the statistics would be if my exposure to women was more frequent.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

There are never women around me. I haven’t met any women at all in several years. I’m out and about pretty often, but there’s never any women around when I am. I didn’t do anything at all to pull them in, all 3 came onto me. It would be interesting what the statistics would be if my exposure to women was more frequent.

Exposure makes a huge difference.

 

[plumber]

I’ve had 3 women initiate with me. The first one is how I lost my virginity at 21. I didn’t go out with the other 2. What you said here makes me wonder how I’m perceived by women when it comes to looks because as a guy who has very little experience with women at 31, questioning your looks is a natural reaction to being in this situation. But I do remember WheatWaffles saying that you have to be at least chadlite in terms of looks to get women to initiate.

Another time women will initiate is when your in a group and demonstrating leadership that the others are deferring to respectfully. In this case do not need to be chadlite in looks, only chadlite in behavior. How to do it is become good at something that others admire.

 

[needimprovement250]

Another time women will initiate is when your in a group and demonstrating leadership that the others are deferring to respectfully. In this case do not need to be chadlite in looks, only chadlite in behavior. How to do it is become good at something that others admire.

That’s true. None of these 3 instances was because of me demonstrating leadership, but I can see how that can lead to women initiating if you do find yourself in that scenario since you’re taking control and asserting some dominance to lead others.

 

[needimprovement250]

I myself have only had a few gals initiate.

WheatWaffles is a joke. I paid for one of his looks ratings+analysis (luckily I'm only out $15)

He rated me a 4/10 (which contradicts the general consensus on most online looks raters I've used)

His analysis was also full of sh1t.

That’s good you had that too because them initiating can be rare.

He probably rates guys low on purpose to blackpill them if you got higher ratings everywhere else. He is pretty much an incel content creator, and incels complain about their looks more than anything else, so he probably does sh*t like that to reinforce the incel ideology.

 

[GoodMan32]

There are never women around me. I haven’t met any women at all in several years. I’m out and about pretty often, but there’s never any women around when I am. I didn’t do anything at all to pull them in, all 3 came onto me. It would be interesting what the statistics would be if my exposure to women was more frequent.

Living in a big city (and riding public transportation to work), I cross paths with many a woman.

I crossed paths with even more gals when I worked in stores.

Yet I've still had bad luck. 2 dates (and only one instance of free sex) in the past 9 years.

 

[GoodMan32]

That’s good you had that too because them initiating can be rare.

He probably rates guys low on purpose to blackpill them if you got higher ratings everywhere else. He is pretty much an incel content creator, and incels complain about their looks more than anything else, so he probably does sh*t like that to reinforce the incel ideology.

It's good I had some initiate, yeah.

As another poster said in response to you, however, having a woman initiate at the low levels we've had is nothing but statistical noise.

Wheat Waffles tried to get me to pay extra for a plan of what I could do better. I declined. He's a con artist. He probably purposely lowballs a man's looks score so the man will pay extra for the add on.

 

[LSUtiger1776]

dang this sucks OP