lower libido 35 ? causes job and money ? Age ?

[Doctor Europeo]

It could very well be that you don't find women your own age attractive anymore. Could you imagine getting it up for this 48 year-old?

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48? She looks 60ish. And they say The Wall is not a thing, smh

 

[sangheilios]

@sangheilios is an interesting case study. He's definitely one of the more interesting case studies of major forum participants.

At 6'4", 230-235 lbs, big muscles, and lower body fat, this is a top tier level physique. This is a guy who would be called a 'Chad'. Based on height and muscles, he could be the top seducer on this forum with one of the highest notch counts.

He adds a lot to this forum with well thought out responses that show a certain level of critical thinking ability. He seems personable.

The combination of height, muscles, and a decent personality should be enough to attract women. At a bare minimum, that should be enough to attract a solid 6-7 into an extended relationship. When someone has height and muscles, there's not much need for a personality in order to seduce.

This is a situation where the collective of women have rejected someone who has 'Chad' type features. If someone with 'Chad' type features is being rejected by the collective of women, what does that say for the health of the overall dating market? It's showing that the typical female is absurdly fussy in selecting men. Women are sending more and more men to the rejection pile. This is the 90/10 rule in action. Plenty more men under 6'0" without elite levels of fitness are also being rejected. In this case, women have thrown out someone who would be a good selection for them based on how much women value height and muscles.

The collective of women did send @sangheilios his own way, as @MatureDJ has indicated. MGTOW isn't voluntary, as it is some form of incel. MGTOWs are generally men who are rejected by the market of women and realize that they can compete effectively in the market.

I try to avoid watching MGTOW content, but I find it interesting that the experiences I have had in the past rhyme with what you might watch on a youtube channel dedicated to this topic. As I have alluded to in previous posts of mine, I've noticed over the last few years that there have been a lot of channels that discuss this topic which have popped up. Not only have these channels been popping up, but they actually have a lot of subscribers and very high view counts. This to me shows that this is a widespread issue that many men are going through, which would be the majority of the audience of these channels. This stuff is also spilling over into the mainstream media more recently as well, like when they were discussing the 2/3 of young men being single vs. 1/3 of young women. This is an issue that is getting attention because it has potentially quite severe consequences for our society on a broader scale.

On a personal note, I've noticed that many of the women that rejected me struggled to find any meaningful relationships and are still single. I've also noticed that those that did get into relationships dated down, in some cases by quite a serious margin lol. I honestly never understood why I was doing so bad and it was getting to the point where it was having an affect on my mental health. A normal person with self respect would recognize that something that is not good for your mental health should be cut out from your life, which was why I eventually checked out. The experiences that I've had in the dating market are not unusual, in fact they may even be more minor compared to other men, though that is difficult to quantify.

 

[SW15]

I try to avoid watching MGTOW content, but I find it interesting that the experiences I have had in the past rhyme with what you might watch on a youtube channel dedicated to this topic. As I have alluded to in previous posts of mine, I've noticed over the last few years that there have been a lot of channels that discuss this topic which have popped up. Not only have these channels been popping up, but they actually have a lot of subscribers and very high view counts. This to me shows that this is a widespread issue that many men are going through, which would be the majority of the audience of these channels. This stuff is also spilling over into the mainstream media more recently as well, like when they were discussing the 2/3 of young men being single vs. 1/3 of young women. This is an issue that is getting attention because it has potentially quite severe consequences for our society on a broader scale.

There is a reason why MGTOW has been growing in the last 10 years. More and more men are being sent to the rejection pile.

Good decision to avoid consuming MGTOW content.

On a personal note, I've noticed that many of the women that rejected me struggled to find any meaningful relationships and are still single. I've also noticed that those that did get into relationships dated down, in some cases by quite a serious margin lol. I honestly never understood why I was doing so bad and it was getting to the point where it was having an affect on my mental health. A normal person with self respect would recognize that something that is not good for your mental health should be cut out from your life, which was why I eventually checked out. The experiences that I've had in the dating market are not unusual, in fact they may even be more minor compared to other men, though that is difficult to quantify.

A lot of women today are broken.

It's unfortunate what has happened to you. You're correct that it isn't just you, it's a broader social problem.

A lot of the guys being sent to the rejection pile end up as OnlyFans pay pigs.

 

[sangheilios]

There is a reason why MGTOW has been growing in the last 10 years. More and more men are being sent to the rejection pile.

Good decision to avoid consuming MGTOW content.



A lot of women today are broken.

It's unfortunate what has happened to you. You're correct that it isn't just you, it's a broader social problem.

A lot of the guys being sent to the rejection pile end up as OnlyFans pay pigs.

I've definitely had a lot of bad experiences but I've also seen what it's like for other men as well.

Women seem to go for phoney/douchebag types that remind me of Dan Bilzerian, I even posted a thread about this a few months back. I've also noticed that more normal behaving men don't seem to do as well and are more readily discarded by a lot of women.

I honestly get the vibe that there is something "off" about a lot of the women I've met, crossed paths with or known of over the last several years. I often couldn't really put my finger on it but a lot of them seemed oblivious to their own behavior and themselves as individuals but delusional and overly judgmental when it comes to men.

A really good example is a story I heard from a guy I knew that worked at a bank, where his coworkers set up one of the tellers, a fat girl, on a date. They later asked her how it went and she said she wasn't interested, so naturally they asked why. Her response was that he was overweight so she wasn't interested, so a fat girl rejected an overweight man who would have been her looks match. I've actually cited this example on this forum a few times but it's a really good one and also rhymes with a lot of what I've seen or experienced myself.

 

[SW15]

Women seem to go for phoney/douchebag types that remind me of Dan Bilzerian, I even posted a thread about this a few months back. I've also noticed that more normal behaving men don't seem to do as well and are more readily discarded by a lot of women.

The Dan Blizerian style douche game works in attracting women.

I honestly get the vibe that there is something "off" about a lot of the women I've met, crossed paths with or known of over the last several years. I often couldn't really put my finger on it but a lot of them seemed oblivious to their own behavior and themselves as individuals but delusional and overly judgmental when it comes to men.

Makes sense

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

@sangheilios is an interesting case study. He's definitely one of the more interesting case studies of major forum participants.

At 6'4", 230-235 lbs, big muscles, and lower body fat, this is a top tier level physique. This is a guy who would be called a 'Chad'. Based on height and muscles, he could be the top seducer on this forum with one of the highest notch counts.

He adds a lot to this forum with well thought out responses that show a certain level of critical thinking ability. He seems personable.

The combination of height, muscles, and a decent personality should be enough to attract women. At a bare minimum, that should be enough to attract a solid 6-7 into an extended relationship. When someone has height and muscles, there's not much need for a personality in order to seduce.

This is a situation where the collective of women have rejected someone who has 'Chad' type features. If someone with 'Chad' type features is being rejected by the collective of women, what does that say for the health of the overall dating market? It's showing that the typical female is absurdly fussy in selecting men. Women are sending more and more men to the rejection pile. This is the 90/10 rule in action. Plenty more men under 6'0" without elite levels of fitness are also being rejected. In this case, women have thrown out someone who would be a good selection for them based on how much women value height and muscles.

The collective of women did send @sangheilios his own way, as @MatureDJ has indicated. MGTOW isn't voluntary, as it is some form of incel. MGTOWs are generally men who are rejected by the market of women and realize that they can compete effectively in the market.

I agree with your analysys, I believe it cover a good 80% of the general MGTOW crowd.

The remaining 20% is there for different reasons in my opinion which mostly constist of low libido which make basically 99% of the women useless to them and a over libertarian borderline anarchist personality which I believe I fit it.

The issue is that our current society DEMANDS a degree of interaction and social involvement that is more than enough to match the threeshold of the average man wheter we talk about social interaction in a time frame or in terms of physical space.

Men are not as social as women wheter we talk about number of acquaitances/friends or the desire to attend social events or even performing socially demanding jobs.

Men hit the weight room according to their own schedule and chat only when they need.
Women attend classes full of people and repeat any single movement a trainer tell them to.
It's two total different approach to society.

Now getting to the point, nowadays the load of oversocialization, rules obeying and compliance that a man needs to endure if he wants to meet women or let alone having a relationship is way too much.

No amount of pvssy for an introvert is tasty enough to self torture himself on overcrowded loud places with strict sets of rules while for those that are not that introvert, the amount of daily socialization and self control needed in our society is more than enough to pass the comfort threeshold.

For the average man aged 18-35 there is not a single place to meet or attend women that doesnt inflict him discomfort.

Ask a man where he wants to live and he will tell a comfortable house in a low density suburb and have barbecues with his friends.
Ask the same to a woman and her best choice will be a small apartment in the center with no parking place or space or silence cause there she has the crowd.

Most men checking out from women are actually checking out from society cause the two things have never been closer, they are collectivist and their moral and logic are an extension of the dominant way of thinking for that moment.

 

[sangheilios]

I agree with your analysys, I believe it cover a good 80% of the general MGTOW crowd.

The remaining 20% is there for different reasons in my opinion which mostly constist of low libido which make basically 99% of the women useless to them and a over libertarian borderline anarchist personality which I believe I fit it.

The issue is that our current society DEMANDS a degree of interaction and social involvement that is more than enough to match the threeshold of the average man wheter we talk about social interaction in a time frame or in terms of physical space.

Men are not as social as women wheter we talk about number of acquaitances/friends or the desire to attend social events or even performing socially demanding jobs.

Men hit the weight room according to their own schedule and chat only when they need.
Women attend classes full of people and repeat any single movement a trainer tell them to.
It's two total different approach to society.

Now getting to the point, nowadays the load of oversocialization, rules obeying and compliance that a man needs to endure if he wants to meet women or let alone having a relationship is way too much.

No amount of pvssy for an introvert is tasty enough to self torture himself on overcrowded loud places with strict sets of rules while for those that are not that introvert, the amount of daily socialization and self control needed in our society is more than enough to pass the comfort threeshold.

For the average man aged 18-35 there is not a single place to meet or attend women that doesnt inflict him discomfort.

Ask a man where he wants to live and he will tell a comfortable house in a low density suburb and have barbecues with his friends.
Ask the same to a woman and her best choice will be a small apartment in the center with no parking place or space or silence cause there she has the crowd.

Most men checking out from women are actually checking out from society cause the two things have never been closer, they are collectivist and their moral and logic are an extension of the dominant way of thinking for that moment.

There's a lot truth to this and it's something I've noticed with many men I've crossed paths with over the last few years. I thought I was some strange outlier that just valued my own independence, space, free time, etc. that wanted to pseudo check out from society and live life as I wanted. However, there have been many times I've overheard conversations or remarks from other men about this very thing.

There is a guy I met at the gym, black guy almost 30, that was active military and wanted to get his military pension. He told me that he wanted to retire young so that he could go to the gym, play video games and just enjoy life basically. I've met a lot of other men that have made similar comments that share a similar desire, which is interesting.

I've also noticed that there have been some big youtube channels discussing this, Chris Williamson had one on this very topic of men checking out from society. There is also an anti work movement going on as well, which ties in with how men are feeling about society as a whole. This started during the COVID lockdowns with all of the money printing going on that allowed people to literally just hang around for months on end doing absolutely nothing. I actually knew a guy back then around my age who literally did nothing from May of 2020 through the rest of that year and he became super entitled and whiney. With that said, I think this time period showed many people that the jobs they had were bull**** and that they were overworked/stressed relative to what they were being paid. The reality is that most jobs bring little meaning for the lives of the vast majority of people other than providing them with financial resources.

Another great example is how you can see that men are dropping out of college/university or avoiding it all together. Meanwhile, women are overwhelmingly pursuing this route and the young adult generation of college educated women is outnumbering college educated men by a good margin. This particular fact actually found it's way to the mainstream media not that long ago. There are a lot of reasons for this, I personally believe that most of this is because young men realize that college can often be a one way ticket to substantial debt with some degree that may not provide all that much for them. I think they also recognize that there are other opportunities available to them where they could excel at. Another big factor I feel though is that education on a broader level has become incredibly fem-centric.

This is also spilling over into the dating market. If men feel they can't even get a first date, let alone a relationship or even marriage, why would they feel invested into society at large?

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

I think its the financial and living situation that can lower the libido. For example, if you won the lottery, then I think your libido would spike up. Working as a server would probaby cause the low libido.

Environment factors without a doubt play a crucial one in your mental and erections

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

That is NOT a 48 year old. That’s a woman that’s easily in her 60’s.

It could very well be that you don't find women your own age attractive anymore. Could you imagine getting it up for this 48 year-old?

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[itouchyou]

On a personal note, I've noticed that many of the women that rejected me struggled to find any meaningful relationships and are still single. I've also noticed that those that did get into relationships dated down, in some cases by quite a serious margin lol. I honestly never understood why I was doing so bad and it was getting to the point where it was having an affect on my mental health. A normal person with self respect would recognize that something that is not good for your mental health should be cut out from your life, which was why I eventually checked out. The experiences that I've had in the dating market are not unusual, in fact they may even be more minor compared to other men, though that is difficult to quantify.

Too true. The problem is simply that women don't think logically - they see thousands of matches on swipe apps and it overinflates their ego and perceived value, so they all think they're going to end up with some top tier guy.

What they don't realize is that the percentage of guys above 6' is small, the percentage of guys above 6' and making six figures is even smaller, the percentage of guys above 6' and making six figures with a top tier physique is even smaller, and the percentage of guys above 6' and making six figures with a top tier physique and a Chad face is even smaller, and the percentage of guys above 6' and making six figures with a top tier physique and a Chad face around their own age is literally the apex of the apex.

They're screwed. This isn't limited to popular women either, even introverts that I know are turning 28, 29, 30 and are still single. When they do settle, ultimately they settle for some beta chump who is completely average. It's hilarious.



Personally I do many of the above qualities, but I'm starting to realize how much work and sacrifice I put in to get to this point and ask myself why settle for some modern broad's hypergamic nature. I'm at the point where I might go overseas and import a nice 24-25 year old with low notch count and conservative values. I used to think it was a beta move but finding that equivalent stateside is borderline demeaning. That I pushed so hard to fall into a woman's frame. In reality though - a woman's value is based on her youth, femininity, modesty, and values. When you look at the difference between American women and foreign women, where is the value? To me, seems that foreign women are where it's at.

 

[sangheilios]

Too true. The problem is simply that women don't think logically - they see thousands of matches on swipe apps and it overinflates their ego and perceived value, so they all think they're going to end up with some top tier guy.

What they don't realize is that the percentage of guys above 6' is small, the percentage of guys above 6' and making six figures is even smaller, the percentage of guys above 6' and making six figures with a top tier physique is even smaller, and the percentage of guys above 6' and making six figures with a top tier physique and a Chad face is even smaller, and the percentage of guys above 6' and making six figures with a top tier physique and a Chad face around their own age is literally the apex of the apex.

They're screwed. This isn't limited to popular women either, even introverts that I know are turning 28, 29, 30 and are still single. When they do settle, ultimately they settle for some beta chump who is completely average. It's hilarious.



Personally I do many of the above qualities, but I'm starting to realize how much work and sacrifice I put in to get to this point and ask myself why settle for some modern broad's hypergamic nature. I'm at the point where I might go overseas and import a nice 24-25 year old with low notch count and conservative values. I used to think it was a beta move but finding that equivalent stateside is borderline demeaning. That I pushed so hard to fall into a woman's frame. In reality though - a woman's value is based on her youth, femininity, modesty, and values. When you look at the difference between American women and foreign women, where is the value? To me, seems that foreign women are where it's at.

That's basically what I was getting at. Many women have access to more potential suitors in one month than women in the past would have had in an entire lifetime. This overabundance of options leads to them becoming more selective, as they literally have to be in order to select a potential mate/suitor because it's not possible to date all of them. The problem though is that it can render them fussy in a way where they may be sending men that are actually compatible with them to the rejection pile. I think given enough of these experiences women can become jaded in a way that is not helpful for finding and retaining longer term partners, which is what they were ultimately looking for. Again, the end result of this is you have large swaths of men that are not really getting anywhere with the dating market, so they are naturally frustrated and unhappy. However, the women are also unhappy simply because they are unable to find what it is they are looking for, even though they had access to it all along.

There is nothing wrong with going overseas for a woman, but I also believe that it's not the cure all that some in the "manosphere" talk about. It's without a doubt that many women in the non western world would look at a western, especially American, man as a one way ticket to a better life. Many from places like Africa, India, S.E Asia, etc. would most likely be more interested in what you can provide for THEM and not so much wanting to find a man to love. Some of this is definitely cultural, as many of these places in the world have very transactional values towards marriage. Things like arranged marriages, marrying into wealth/status, etc. are normal for them, whereas marrying for love is not a normal part of their culture.

 

[itouchyou]

That's basically what I was getting at. Many women have access to more potential suitors in one month than women in the past would have had in an entire lifetime. This overabundance of options leads to them becoming more selective, as they literally have to be in order to select a potential mate/suitor because it's not possible to date all of them. The problem though is that it can render them fussy in a way where they may be sending men that are actually compatible with them to the rejection pile. I think given enough of these experiences women can become jaded in a way that is not helpful for finding and retaining longer term partners, which is what they were ultimately looking for. Again, the end result of this is you have large swaths of men that are not really getting anywhere with the dating market, so they are naturally frustrated and unhappy. However, the women are also unhappy simply because they are unable to find what it is they are looking for, even though they had access to it all along.

There is nothing wrong with going overseas for a woman, but I also believe that it's not the cure all that some in the "manosphere" talk about. It's without a doubt that many women in the non western world would look at a western, especially American, man as a one way ticket to a better life. Many from places like Africa, India, S.E Asia, etc. would most likely be more interested in what you can provide for THEM and not so much wanting to find a man to love. Some of this is definitely cultural, as many of these places in the world have very transactional values towards marriage. Things like arranged marriages, marrying into wealth/status, etc. are normal for them, whereas marrying for love is not a normal part of their culture.

Yea, I mean I'm 35 and at this point I'm skeptical of finding genuine love, it will be transactional no matter what. Some people delude themselves into thinking they have it but at the end of the day, the woman settles with them either for social status or money, sometimes looks, but rarely purely because of personality, in my opinion. Bonding over personality would be soulmate status, and I just don't know how many people can claim that.

At the end of the day, the only pure love is when you're young and have nothing to offer but your looks/personality.. think highschool/college. After that, it's transactional IMO.

I'm Indian so might look in India. I recently met a couple in their 50s that went the arranged marriage route and they're incredibly happy together.. wildly successful and have great lives. The man bought immigrated in the 90s and bought his wife over after he settled.. and she was gorgeous. I think arranged marriage might even be the better way because the glue that holds the relationship together is values and family, whereas "love" marriages are held together by nontangible feelings which are easily broken. Case in point, look at the difference in divorce rates. Have to pick your poison.

Men are after looks and femininity while women are after money and security. It's in our biology, so I don't think it's too shallow to look at things that way.

 

[sangheilios]

Yea, I mean I'm 35 and at this point I'm skeptical of finding genuine love, it will be transactional no matter what. Some people delude themselves into thinking they have it but at the end of the day, the woman settles with them either for social status or money, sometimes looks, but rarely purely because of personality, in my opinion. Bonding over personality would be soulmate status, and I just don't know how many people can claim that.

At the end of the day, the only pure love is when you're young and have nothing to offer but your looks/personality.. think highschool/college. After that, it's transactional IMO.

I'm Indian so might look in India. I recently met a couple in their 50s that went the arranged marriage route and they're incredibly happy together.. wildly successful and have great lives. The man bought immigrated in the 90s and bought his wife over after he settled.. and she was gorgeous. I think arranged marriage might even be the better way because the glue that holds the relationship together is values and family, whereas "love" marriages are held together by nontangible feelings which are easily broken. Case in point, look at the difference in divorce rates. Have to pick your poison.

Men are after looks and femininity while women are after money and security. It's in our biology, so I don't think it's too shallow to look at things that way.

Ok, you being Indian and looking in India is a bit different than a white man looking abroad. I've actually heard of many cases where an Indian man living in the U.S getting a wife from India and having her moving to him, I'm not really sure how that lines up exactly though but perhaps it's arranged in some manner.

If you were a white man I'd say it would be different, it would seem like a great way to attract a fake gold digger type.