Is it beta to open a car door for women

[SW15]

We are in a mating environment today where the average woman wants nothing to do with the average man.

I'll never get used to reading this line.

Why is that? I didn't originate that line. Rollo Tomassi is well known for saying that. Hypergamy has gotten more and more vicious in the last 20-25 years and more men are being sent to the rejection pile. There are plenty of decent men these days being sent to a rejection pile.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

There are plenty of decent men these days being sent to a rejection pile.

Well when Oprah et al have been telling women that there’s a Channing Tatum out there for them despite them looking like a warpig this is what happens. Add to that most men will do anything to wet their wicks and well it’s not rocket science.

 

[Gamisch]

Well when Oprah et al have been telling women that there’s a Channing Tatum out there for them despite them looking like a warpig this is what happens. Add to that most men will do anything to wet their wicks and well it’s not rocket science.

Lets add some more to the mix: video games and porn, only ever meeting women through swipe apps, 1year + dryspells , no incentive to improve without getting the reward first.

Changing and next Monetizing dating(basic human need), inflation and making ends meet increasingly difficult, and probably much more.

Why is that? I didn't originate that line. Rollo Tomassi is well known for saying that. Hypergamy has gotten more and more vicious in the last 20-25 years and more men are being sent to the rejection pile. There are plenty of decent men these days being sent to a rejection pile.

Because it's sounds and looks as ridiculous as it actually is. Average theoretically can't decline average. I understand that reality tells a different story. Although it's always a matter of personal perception to what average actually means...a

Plenty of model tier looking to goodlooking men with good statistics are on that "rejection pile".

 

[SW15]

Plenty of model tier looking to goodlooking men with good statistics are on that "rejection pile".

I can never understand that. @sangheilios is an outlier case study as a 6'4", 230 lb guy with big muscles who isn't experiencing success with women. Based on the 6'4", 230 lb statistic and a muscular frame, that a 'Chad' who should be one of the top seducers out there or have a steady girlfriend who is 8+ in looks.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

This either solidifies or completely negates blackpill theory.

I can never understand that. @sangheilios is an outlier case study as a 6'4", 230 lb guy with big muscles who isn't experiencing success with women. Based on the 6'4", 230 lb statistic and a muscular frame, that a 'Chad' who should be one of the top seducers out there or have a steady girlfriend who is 8+ in looks.

 

[SW15]

I can never understand that. @sangheilios is an outlier case study as a 6'4", 230 lb guy with big muscles who isn't experiencing success with women. Based on the 6'4", 230 lb statistic and a muscular frame, that a 'Chad' who should be one of the top seducers out there or have a steady girlfriend who is 8+ in looks.

This either solidifies or completely negates blackpill theory.

In what way? As I see it, the answer is neither, which is why I think it is an outlier case.

I would like to think that I am more red pill than black pill. I think the black pill ideology has some merit and I have linked Wheat Waffles (most followed black pill content creator on YouTube) videos.

I believe that looks are the #1 component of SMV, though there is relevance in money, status, and personality. Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and personality. The combination looks different for every person.

@BPH is the better case study. He's a 6'0" man with lower body fat, a visible 6 pack, and lives at home with his parents 35+ miles from a major metro with a singles scene yet he has a 90 notch count.

 

[Gamisch]

I can never understand that. @sangheilios is an outlier case study as a 6'4", 230 lb guy with big muscles who isn't experiencing success with women. Based on the 6'4", 230 lb statistic and a muscular frame, that a 'Chad' who should be one of the top seducers out there or have a steady girlfriend who is 8+ in looks.

Well, because you guys refuse to acknowledge that game is a rather internal than external matter.

I've said this over and over. Confidence is the motor, and looks are "just" fuel. Looks without confidence gets you absolutely nowhere. I don't mean to knock on him, but he's the perfect example of this.

I grew up in an environment with nothing but bluepilled alphas. Fierce competition everywhere. Yet that environment also showed me that behind a fly masquerade can be an extremely insecure man. From the other side, I've seen a 5.5 Asian guy SLAY like a maniac.

Everything that happens in your life starts between your ears. You decide..

 

[SW15]

Looks without confidence gets you absolutely nowhere.

How can a person have looks without confidence? If I were 6'4", 230 lbs, and had big muscles, all I would need to do is look in the mirror every morning to get the confidence I would need.

 

[Gamisch]

How can a person have looks without confidence? If I were 6'4", 230 lbs, and had big muscles, all I would need to do is look in the mirror every morning to get the confidence I would need.

Doesn't work like that.

Any person as @sangheilios will have their own personal reasons to why xyz. There are billionaires who're committing suicide.

Best example can be found in women. A anorexic looking woman might BELIEVE she's fat. No matter how hard you try to convince her she's not. Same with (a whole lot of) men; they believe they're not good enough, so that's their reality despite what the rest of the world thinks about them.

On the other hand a man with seemingly less smv can pull whatever hb. Many factors come to play but confidence and understanding game will always bring you pretty far.

 

[BPH]

How can a person have looks without confidence? If I were 6'4", 230 lbs, and had big muscles, all I would need to do is look in the mirror every morning to get the confidence I would need.

I actually have a case study that opposes this.

I had a very good friend when I was working at the gym, he was around 6'7", white guy in the Air Force, and made decent money. Was in pretty good shape somewhere between buff and lean, had all his hair, and was a really friendly all-around person.

The guy could NOT properly talk to and flirt with women he was interested in unless he was WASTED. Now he wasn't a nervous wreck around women, but he couldn't make moves unless he had plenty of liquid courage. One of the front desk workers with us was a really hot college girl who had a crush on him, and even when told this, he would never ask her out. I don't remember how it came about but they went out for drinks or a date once and he had to get plastered to drum up the confidence to go in for a kiss, and unfortunately, that's as far as it ever went.

He's currently married to a very average-looking chick that I'm not sure how he met, but he seems happy so all the best to him.

As for a response to OP's question: like many things when it comes to women, I think it's a good gesture unless it's expected. Kinda like how if I'm at a bar having a good time with a girl and she buys me a drink I might buy her one, but if I go up to some random and one of the first things she asks if I'm going to buy her or her friends a drink...immediately no.

Though I will say the guy is definitely overdoing it if he does this EVERY TIME, like for mundane stuff where you're just leaving the house and not having some sort of date night.