"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Met this 22 year old blonde college chick on Hinge. Gave me the runaround for a while trying to setup a date, to which I reacted to by ceasing communication and she got all butthurt. Eventually got something scheduled - texts me the day of saying she's excited (a good sign). She shows up EARLY which is unheard of. She also wore what I told her to, pretty much to a T. Date goes well, we change venues to a super fancy rooftop ****tail bar in a 5 star hotel, and she picks up the tab. She agrees to come over to my place after.

When she comes over, I throw on a movie and the sexual tension builds. End up cuddling super intimately while watching a movie, making out. I play with her titties a lot, probably a bit roughly, she's wincing in pain but also super turned on, put my fingers in her mouth, dirty talk her, and finger her, shove my **** in her mouth. She was insanely tight, felt like my two fingers were stretching her which I of course say. I then realize I don't have a condom, but I was planning to fvck her anyway. She puts up LMR but it seems genuine and I sorta back off, and while I do get her horned up and try again later, we don't fvck which is fine. At one point she's fully naked while I'm on the couch with her ass in my face and it's literally the most perfect body I've ever seen, like it's photoshopped. Her face is maybe a 7 but body is a legit 10. Anyway, she texts me immediatley after dropping her off and obviously wants to hang out again...

She claims she's only been with 3 guys (which I doubt) and is Catholic with a strict catholic mother while also saying her parents basically pay for everything. She mentions how turned on she was by how I touched her and the dirty talk but mentions she wants an "emotional bond" before fvcking and seems convinced i'll pump and dump her. My only response is why would any guy only want to fvck a hot girl once then be done, that's retarded. Also... at other points she slips in she has BPD and an eating disorder... also mentions having a falling out with her friends and mostly hangs out with a gay guy and her cat....

My question is, does anyone have experience with chicks like this and do you think they're worth the headache even as plates? My **** is telling me yes but my brain is saying no. Either way, kind of entertaining experience.
 
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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I tried to hang onto one of these. 3 weeks of ridiculous BPD nonsense followed by ghost. I actually did smash her though (once).
 

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You only live once. Be smart about it.
 

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Always keep condoms at your place.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #5

NEVER allow a woman to be in control of the birth.

If you had condoms at your place, you were well positioned to smash.

Now that you have an opportunity to re-evaluate things, you have reason to ghost based on the BPD. At the same time, a 10 body with a 7 face is around a 9 overall. It's difficult to walk away from a 9.

In the best case scenario, this is only sex for a few months. This isn't someone who you base any sort of monogamous LTR around. You could plate her for a few months depending on your tolerance for drama, which she will exhibit at some point.

It's up to you and what you desire.
 

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My question is, does anyone have experience with chicks like this and do you think they're worth the headache even as plates? My **** is telling me yes but my brain is saying no. Either way, kind of entertaining experience.

Yes i dated one of these for 6 months last year thought i had hit the jackpot because physically she was all a man could ask for

We had some wonderful secks probably some of the best i've ever had and it was fun for a while

But then the novelty wore off , she was constantly wearing the most ridiculous outfits when we went out

I would be sititng with her in a bar or restaurant and could feel people staring , she HAD to be the centre of attention both directly and indirectly it was like an addiction for her

Although on the surface she was quite funny , she lacked any depth so it was like trying to form a connection with a block of wood

She would Lie A LOT even when i caught her red handed she would create another more elaborate lie to try and get out of it

She said exactly the same line about " parents paying for everything " this also turned out to be a lie and there was a sugar daddy / only fans paying for everything in the background

That was the final straw for me and i cut her loose .
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To conclude

OP these girls are usually fun to sleep with for a bit and are arguably worth keeping as FWB's

The problem is i don't know many guys that can not try and posses a HB 8/9 , its a mans innate desire to make a woman like this submit to him

But these girls are morally corrupted since society almost forces them to be with an endless supple of easy money and d1ck

one mere man is never enough for them

If you get caught in a honeytrap with one of these girls and you aren't careful she will do serious damage to your life

Eventually for me the tradeoff of secks for having something so toxic in my life just wasn't worth it
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Always keep condoms at your place.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #5

NEVER allow a woman to be in control of the birth.

If you had condoms at your place, you were well positioned to smash.

Now that you have an opportunity to re-evaluate things, you have reason to ghost based on the BPD. At the same time, a 10 body with a 7 face is around a 9 overall. It's difficult to walk away from a 9.

In the best case scenario, this is only sex for a few months. This isn't someone who you base any sort of monogamous LTR around. You could plate her for a few months depending on your tolerance for drama, which she will exhibit at some point.

It's up to you and what you desire.
Condoms don't always work 100% of the time. Actually they have a relatively high failure rate for what they are supposed to do.

There is an intersting pill coming out that disables male sperms ability to "swim" that is supposed to last for a few hours and then go back to normal that would be like the holy grail of birth control for men. However I would be very afraid to actually use it since the time it is effective is so short duration. I suspect until it lasts at least 12 hours that is isn't going to be worth much.
 

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Condoms don't always work 100% of the time. Actually they have a relatively high failure rate for what they are supposed to do.

There is an intersting pill coming out that disables male sperms ability to "swim" that is supposed to last for a few hours and then go back to normal that would be like the holy grail of birth control for men. However I would be very afraid to actually use it since the time it is effective is so short duration. I suspect until it lasts at least 12 hours that is isn't going to be worth much.
Hasnt it been coming out for years?
 

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Now that you have an opportunity to re-evaluate things, you have reason to ghost based on the BPD. At the same time, a 10 body with a 7 face is around a 9 overall. It's difficult to walk away from a 9.

In the best case scenario, this is only sex for a few months. This isn't someone who you base any sort of monogamous LTR around. You could plate her for a few months depending on your tolerance for drama, which she will exhibit at some point.

It's up to you and what you desire.
Funny enough, she specifically said at one point that she's interested in short term relationships, then later claims she prefers her partner to be exclusive and says she needs an emotional bond with someone before sex...

Can a girl with a face "about a 7" be a 9?
It's a bit odd, but depending on the lighting/angles and how her hair is styled, her face is goes back and forth from a 7 to a 9. Realistically it's probably more like an 8, hence why I have no problem giving her a 9 overall. Also I would say that a 10 body and 7 face is a 9 overall, regardless.


If you get caught in a honeytrap with one of these girls and you aren't careful she will do serious damage to your life

Eventually for me the tradeoff of secks for having something so toxic in my life just wasn't worth it
Yeah no way in hell I'd ever get in an LTR with her, but even short term relationships with girls like this can be destabilizing.



Condoms don't always work 100% of the time. Actually they have a relatively high failure rate for what they are supposed to do.

There is an intersting pill coming out that disables male sperms ability to "swim" that is supposed to last for a few hours and then go back to normal that would be like the holy grail of birth control for men. However I would be very afraid to actually use it since the time it is effective is so short duration. I suspect until it lasts at least 12 hours that is isn't going to be worth much.
What man. I've nutted in like 5 girls off BC and none of them got pregnant. Women can only get pregnant during a small window before and during ovulation. Condoms are perfectly fine though I would still recommend pulling out when they're ovulating. Also, not to start a whole thing...but I think there's a possibility that the vaccines have sterilized a lot of women.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Funny enough, she specifically said at one point that she's interested in short term relationships, then later claims she prefers her partner to be exclusive and says she needs an emotional bond with someone before sex...


It's a bit odd, but depending on the lighting/angles and how her hair is styled, her face is goes back and forth from a 7 to a 9. Realistically it's probably more like an 8, hence why I have no problem giving her a 9 overall. Also I would say that a 10 body and 7 face is a 9 overall, regardless.




Yeah no way in hell I'd ever get in an LTR with her, but even short term relationships with girls like this can be destabilizing.





What man. I've nutted in like 5 girls off BC and none of them got pregnant. Women can only get pregnant during a small window before and during ovulation. Condoms are perfectly fine though I would still recommend pulling out when they're ovulating. Also, not to start a whole thing...but I think there's a possibility that the vaccines have sterilized a lot of women.
Honestly that's pretty dumb to take that type of risk, but you do you. If you get stuck paying child support for 18 years, don't claim it was a mistake, this shows a pattern of irresponsible behavior on your end. It never happens to you until it does...many men have learned the same lesson.
 

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Honestly that's pretty dumb to take that type of risk, but you do you. If you get stuck paying child support for 18 years, don't claim it was a mistake, this shows a pattern of irresponsible behavior on your end. It never happens to you until it does...many men have learned the same lesson.
Yes, it only needs to happen once, but it hasn't yet not due to sheer dumb luck but because I am extremely mindful of where they are in their cycle. If a girl is a few days away from her period (or on it), the chances of pregnancy are extremely small. My argument is that ovulation tracking is a valid form of birth control. I know couples who have done this their entire marriage without pregnancy.
 
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Not sure how old OP is but if you're in your late30s or older it becomes harder to relate to younger women
I've also noticed women that are 24 or younger in this generation are not as socially calibrated as in the past or older women
If you have something in common i.e. fitness, anime, music etc than it does make it easier but this chick sounds like she is just looking for fun, and some of them want to experience an older man who also has means. it is what it is
 

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How do you not have condoms OP she didn't even suck you off? lol
She did, and I just forgot to buy some, I recently took a break from women.

Not sure how old OP is but if you're in your late30s or older it becomes harder to relate to younger women
I've also noticed women that are 24 or younger in this generation are not as socially calibrated as in the past or older women
If you have something in common i.e. fitness, anime, music etc than it does make it easier but this chick sounds like she is just looking for fun, and some of them want to experience an older man who also has means. it is what it is
Yeah I agree, I don't really want to get into a serious LTR with a younger girl unless she really stands out.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I hope you do get to see her again. I met a 22 year old chick that rode horses last year on Hinge. We messaged back and forth, talked on the phone for 2 hours and she asked for my address at 2AM. She hopped in her mom’s car and we smashed within 20 minutes.

Never saw or heard from her again. Damsel in d!ckstress
 

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I've nutted in like 5 girls off BC and none of them got pregnant. Women can only get pregnant during a small window before and during ovulation. Condoms are perfectly fine though I would still recommend pulling out when they're ovulating.
I've nutted inside women not on birth control and haven't gotten them pregnant either.

More of the women I've had sex with were users of birth control. The condoms + birth control combination is very effective if both methods are used correctly. Condoms alone, when used correctly, are effective.
 

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She mentions how turned on she was by how I touched her and the dirty talk but mentions she wants an "emotional bond" before fvcking and seems convinced i'll pump and dump her. My only response is why would any guy only want to fvck a hot girl once then be done, that's retarded.
Andddd here's your answer! lol

Also... at other points she slips in she has BPD and an eating disorder... also mentions having a falling out with her friends and mostly hangs out with a gay guy and her cat....
 

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OP, don't be too hard on yourself, but also make this a lesson learned: As a man, you LEAD THE SEXUAL INTERACTION by prepping everything from logistics to condoms.
 

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Did you say she said she has bpd?

If so.... you lucked out.

I have hooked up with several 9’s in my life and for whatever reason they all had some issue like bpd.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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