Sausage Fests: Why You Can't Avoid 'Em

[SW15]

Yes, it is a good idea in the mall to do the whole shopping for a gift for a female sister or cousin thing. Even if the gift buying occasion is fake, the person you mention in the gift buying scenario must be real. You don't want to tell a woman during pickup that you have a sister you're buying a gift for and then she later finds out you don't actually have a sister. I always have used the female cousin excuse. I don't have sisters but I do have a female cousin.

Would this work today or seem disingenuous. People do have smartphones that they can google for answers. Would asking a woman for the date/time as a soft-opener or for advice for buying clothes show that either you don't have a smartphone or don't know how to use one to get the information yourself? Both would indicate a lack of status.

I think the buying a gift for a female relative gambit would work today. You're totally overthinking it or not thinking about it correctly.

You're asking for a woman's opinion on some sort of a gift in a mall store about your decision to purchase something for a sister or cousin. Opinions are subjective and timeless.

With that said, it's tough to get a random woman shopper in a store like H&M or Urban Outfitters to give you time to run that gambit on them. I have tried to run that gambit in malls (all pre-pandemic) and didn't get too far with it. In terms of mall approaching, I tended to be able to do more approaches stopping someone in the open area between stores about their appearance, typically something that they were wearing.

Lifetime, I have gotten more dates in grocery stores than malls.

The website era was still very bad. Women would flake, go for their chads who would pump & dump them, it's the same dynamic as it is today. Again, they make it sound like the 00s was this last ideal time to meet women, when my memory of that time was it's not that much different than it is today. In many ways I think today is better because you have all these gigantic online communities, videos, and reddits, that YOU CAN'T TAKE WOMEN'S BEHAVIOUR SERIOUSLY period, or personal. Whereas before in the 00s, you might blame your game, confidence, try to see where you went wrong, blame yourself for everything that went wrong, maybe pay money for a bootcamp or dating coaching, whereas now it's a joke. When you see What Waffles videos, how can you take anything seriously?

If you think back to the more popular portion of the website era (think 2004-2012), it had a lot of the same problems as the swipe app era. I've always believed that the swipe app era is just the website era on steroids. Tons of "one date, no sex, no second date" interactions. Tons of flakiness, women seeking validation instead of meaningful interactions, etc. In the website era, it was common for women on Match, PlentyofFish, and OkCupid to have their inboxes pounded with hundreds of messages. The swipe app was invented to reduce unwanted inbox messages. Instead, women have to sort through unwanted right swipes and even still unwanted messages from mutual matches.

In both the website and swipe app era, the better play is real life approaching.

You had fitness classes 10 years ago, and you have them today. If one is sensitive to covid and the pandemic, then I can see that one may not be keen to want to go into groups because maybe one might catch covid from them, etc... I think the pandemic has left a bad taste into group things. If things really get back to normal and the covid threat is gone, then the same freedoms of attending these classes might exist again. Apart from that, I think it's a good venue because women aren't on their smartphones.

Game inefficiency might be alright if it's all you have to work with. You got dates, your rejections there look like they are managed (ie 5 minutes before and 5 minutes afterwards), you can't really get rejected where it leaves a bad taste since you'll move on with your day if it's after the class, or will be engaged with the class if it's before the class. You might get healthy and lose weight or be better off anyway and hit two birds with one stone. In this way, getting a date from a healthy exercise with a tonne of eye-candy is icing on the cake rather than the main event. It adds to your day, it adds to your health, you are around other women

Almost all indoor approaching has been pandemic affected. I've been a huge proponent of parks, walking paths, beaches (where applicable), and streets (only applicable in a few dense cities with a lot of foot traffic). Outdoor approaching is the primary play still.

Fitness class solves the earbud problem of the general gym floor. It has value in terms of that and in terms of ratios.

Eye candy is bullshiit. It's a fucckin' coccktease. There's a need to make something happen. The exercise itself from the class has value, but many of those classes can be replicated at home with YouTube videos, DVDs/Blu-Rays, Peleton, or Tonal. The community and the dating options are actually the biggest advantage of them.

 

[Zimbabwe]

I think the buying a gift for a female relative gambit would work today. You're totally overthinking it or not thinking about it correctly.

You're asking for a woman's opinion on some sort of a gift in a mall store about your decision to purchase something for a sister or cousin. Opinions are subjective and timeless.

With that said, it's tough to get a random woman shopper in a store like H&M or Urban Outfitters to give you time to run that gambit on them. I have tried to run that gambit in malls (all pre-pandemic) and didn't get too far with it. In terms of mall approaching, I tended to be able to do more approaches stopping someone in the open area between stores about their appearance, typically something that they were wearing.

Lifetime, I have gotten more dates in grocery stores than malls.



If you think back to the more popular portion of the website era (think 2004-2012), it had a lot of the same problems as the swipe app era. I've always believed that the swipe app era is just the website era on steroids. Tons of "one date, no sex, no second date" interactions. Tons of flakiness, women seeking validation instead of meaningful interactions, etc. In the website era, it was common for women on Match, PlentyofFish, and OkCupid to have their inboxes pounded with hundreds of messages. The swipe app was invented to reduce unwanted inbox messages. Instead, women have to sort through unwanted right swipes and even still unwanted messages from mutual matches.

In both the website and swipe app era, the better play is real life approaching.



Almost all indoor approaching has been pandemic affected. I've been a huge proponent of parks, walking paths, beaches (where applicable), and streets (only applicable in a few dense cities with a lot of foot traffic). Outdoor approaching is the primary play still.

Fitness class solves the earbud problem of the general gym floor. It has value in terms of that and in terms of ratios.

Eye candy is bullshiit. It's a fucckin' coccktease. There's a need to make something happen. The exercise itself from the class has value, but many of those classes can be replicated at home with YouTube videos, DVDs/Blu-Rays, Peleton, or Tonal. The community and the dating options are actually the biggest advantage of them.

Most of the places men look for women are generally male dominated. You can see how bad it is on OLD but theres a reason most men will say their favorite establishments are male dominated, girls pay like half the cover charge or none at all to get into most big events I've been to, and why most advice to men is to essentially go to places that don't interest them but have women and pretend they like that ****.

The number one challenge for any mixed venue has always been getting women to go. Hence why again, they generally have lower cover charges and more advertising and a lot of stuff their male counterparts don't get. The flip side is(off the top of my head from a study I only kinda remember) like a third of men will go someplace specifically to meet women and men will usually spend way more than women while out. Which is why there are plenty of gay bars but you regularly hear about lesbian bars shutting down.

Obviously there are venues and events that lean female but again, they usually have the opposite issue in that the average man doesn't actually want to be there or isn't really interested, but thats a whole other business and behavior model.

 

[anonymous12345]

Latin dances

I've danced a lot in my life. The problem is that the girls are primarily there to... dance. That's why I've to large parts largely reduced doing it because you find mostly girls in relationships who pretty much just want to be entertained, have fun, dance, and so on. The other problem with such places, and this is a general problem with social circles but particularly those, is that it's a lot social phenomena going on, it's about reputation, etc. Not just meeting people, but about being seen, meet and greet, etc. For that reason I, with ok dance skills and better appearance, am getting used for validation, my company and d is of little interest.

 

[MatureDJ]

Most women are antisocial at fitness classes, even with each other for making friends. I've attended plenty of fitness classes over the years in multiple venues and seen this across venues. Also, there's such a narrow to make approaches in fitness classes. You have 5 mins before class and 5 mins after class. In between those windows is the 45-60 min class itself. You can do some body language flirting during class to see who might be receptive to being approached after class. I've gotten dates from fitness classes but the number of dates I've gotten lifetime relative to the number of classes I've attended represents a game inefficiency, even with quality ratios.

Womens-only health clubs, or a special womens-only section in a larger health club, is a thing. The biithch shield is up at full strength when women are at a health club. Chad even has a problem there.

It can be a really good move to go to a gay bar to find women. I'd only recommend doing it if you have some gay/lesbian acquaintances who can accompany you to the gay bar. In the only time I went to a gay bar, it was because my broader group of acquaintances at that time knew a lesbian couple. As soon as I was in there, I found some straight women with their gay male BFFs. I eliminated all in-person competition that night. Women were receptive to me.

I remember driving around and seeing a lot of women going into a certain club, and so I thought "whoa, what's this?" and went in. It was the least sausagey place I had ever seen that wasn't a strip joint on a slow night. There were plenty of decent lookers, but I noticed that a lot of the women were kissing other women. It finally dawned on me that it was a lesbian club; indeed, I looked at the sign on the way out, and it read: "Rainbows".

 

[MatureDJ]

I'm growing increasingly frustrated that all the women my age that I meet are promiscuous,liberal and degenerate. I've never been happy dating these kind of women, I grew up in a conservative household but the world around me is a degenerate mess.

I always dreamed about finding a wife and starting a family like my parents and grandparents before me, but the way modern society is, well it just doesn't seem possible anymore and that makes me genuinely disappointed.

It's OVER for FamilyStartingCels.

 

[anonymous12345]

4. the girls screen very hard: they are often rude, hostile, condescending, or just flat-out insulting to nearly every guy they meet at these events, and they can get away with it.

Tell me about it. I need rehab on this front. When approaching, the ****block by the fat/ugly/un-addressed girl is so predictable that I fall asleep. It's so darn draining to be a man when women are so hostile and mad as if one is some kind of punishment for them, it's not like one in anyway is bad.

 

[Who Dares Win]

If only those guys complaining in 2011 had any idea how things would have become 10 years later...

Anyway back to topic, I believe the right looks and the right environment make 90% of chances to score.

No amount of "game" or confidence will help you if you are average or ugly and in a crappy enviroment.

 

[Mike32ct]

While none of us like a sausage fest (for obvious reasons), I would caution that a "target rich environment" (to use an old school term) isn't a silver bullet either. Women don't necessary get "easier" (i.e. lower their standards) when they have superior numbers. Only men do that.

Counterintuitively, it can sometimes even be MORE difficult at a puzzy fest because she's more aware of her reputation/standing with the other women. She doesn't want to be seen talking to a sub-GigaChad in front of many of her female peers.

 

[corrector]

While none of us like a sausage fest (for obvious reasons), I would caution that a "target rich environment" (to use an old school term) isn't a silver bullet either. Women don't necessary get "easier" (i.e. lower their standards) when they have superior numbers. Only men do that.

Counterintuitively, it can sometimes even be MORE difficult at a puzzy fest because she's more aware of her reputation/standing with the other women. She doesn't want to be seen talking to a sub-GigaChad in front of many of her female peers.

True, but its not the borg so not all women there would be thinking like that and there are high enough numbers to find someone to connect with. If you are into eye candy then then there are at least more women to look at.

 

[SW15]

Womens-only health clubs, or a special womens-only section in a larger health club, is a thing. The biithch shield is up at full strength when women are at a health club. Chad even has a problem there.

I've heard seen a special women-only section within a co-ed health club. I have heard of women-only health clubs.

The gym is a tough place to pick up for most men. I would recommend being 6'0"+ and having big muscles to pick up women on the general gym floor. That's the most reliable way to get women to give you IOIs and have them remove their earbuds for you. Most gyms have excess males, especially in the free weights/barbells area of the gym.

I remember driving around and seeing a lot of women going into a certain club, and so I thought "whoa, what's this?" and went in. It was the least sausagey place I had ever seen that wasn't a strip joint on a slow night. There were plenty of decent lookers, but I noticed that a lot of the women were kissing other women. It finally dawned on me that it was a lesbian club; indeed, I looked at the sign on the way out, and it read: "Rainbows".

That's hilarious! I guess anyone could have made that initial mistake. How awkward was it to be in a lesbian bar with no one at all interested in playing hide the salami with you.

I'm growing increasingly frustrated that all the women my age that I meet are promiscuous,liberal and degenerate. I've never been happy dating these kind of women, I grew up in a conservative household but the world around me is a degenerate mess.

I always dreamed about finding a wife and starting a family like my parents and grandparents before me, but the way modern society is, well it just doesn't seem possible anymore and that makes me genuinely disappointed.

It's OVER for FamilyStartingCels.

Why so unhappy? Why not enjoy the decline? Why not pillage what you can? Why not lift weights to the point where you have HUGE muscles and a singular focus upon sex and not the whole monogamous marriage and children path? Most Western women prefer the man with big muscles who gives them vaginal sex and isn't eager to legally commit to them? If you become that guy, you become the guy women desire.

If you monogamously marry some Western woman, it is more likely than not to end in divorce. If you have kids with some Western woman these days, it is more likely than not that you won't be in a romantic relationship with that woman by the time the first kid turns 18.

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While none of us like a sausage fest (for obvious reasons), I would caution that a "target rich environment" (to use an old school term) isn't a silver bullet either. Women don't necessary get "easier" (i.e. lower their standards) when they have superior numbers. Only men do that.

Counterintuitively, it can sometimes even be MORE difficult at a puzzy fest because she's more aware of her reputation/standing with the other women. She doesn't want to be seen talking to a sub-GigaChad in front of many of her female peers.

The only "target rich environment" I've been in are fitness classes. Fitness classes, which are almost always majority women, are not easy venues for pickup because most women aren't socialable before and after classes there. I've approached at fitness classes more than other males I've seen in classes too.

I've never experienced a woman at a fitness class being aware of her reputation/standing with other women. She doesn't interact with the other women so it seems doubtful she cares about that. Give me examples of where you've observed this.

 

[anonymous12345]

The only "target rich environment" I've been in are fitness classes. Fitness classes, which are almost always majority women, are not easy venues for pickup because most women aren't socialable before and after classes there.

Why is this the case you think? I've noticed the same.

My notice of girls at yoga, at least now during the summer, was that many were having anxiety/stress/etc, maybe that's why they're doing yoga. Generally, most girls out are in relationships it seems, at least those I approach. I suspect girls that function are in relationships, the rest are scared at home with some degree of mental problems, anxiety, etc.

 

[Mike32ct]

The only "target rich environment" I've been in are fitness classes. Fitness classes, which are almost always majority women, are not easy venues for pickup because most women aren't socialable before and after classes there. I've approached at fitness classes more than other males I've seen in classes too.

I've never experienced a woman at a fitness class being aware of her reputation/standing with other women. She doesn't interact with the other women so it seems doubtful she cares about that. Give me examples of where you've observed this.

My nightgame slant/bias is coming out again. There were times in the past when I've been to a bar or a club that (for whatever reason) was say 90+% female, at least for a while very early in the night. It seemed promising in theory, but I found them much less receptive to approaches than if the ratio was somewhat closer to normal. I theorized that the groups of women might be overly conscious of what their friends and possibly other surrounding women thought. I agree that that wouldn't really apply to a fitness class.

 

[SW15]

My nightgame slant/bias is coming out again. There were times in the past when I've been to a bar or a club that (for whatever reason) was say 90+% female, at least for a while very early in the night. It seemed promising in theory, but I found them much less receptive to approaches than if the ratio was somewhat closer to normal. I theorized that the groups of women might be overly conscious of what their friends and possibly other surrounding women thought. I agree that that wouldn't really apply to a fitness class.

There's never been a time where I was in a bar or nightclub and it was 90% female. I can't ever remember thinking in a bar "Wow, this place has an abundance of vagina!".

At bars, women do attend with their female friends. Women don't go to fitness classes in most cases with their female friends. Occasionally, 2 friends will go to the same fitness class, but that's not a big deal. There are surrounding women in both night venues and fitness classes but I think women care more about surrounding women in bars than they would in a fitness class.

Similar things happen on the walking paths. I see groups of 2 women together on the walking paths.

Cycling is another sausage fest. When I go out for bike rides on one of my city's most commonly used biking paths, I notice more male bicyclists than female bicyclists. This path is shared with walkers/runners, and the gender ratios of walkers/runners is more balanced and possibly more female.

 

[MatureDJ]

My nightgame slant/bias is coming out again. There were times in the past when I've been to a bar or a club that (for whatever reason) was say 90+% female, at least for a while very early in the night.

Are you sure that you didn't accidentally hit a baby shower?

 

[Mike32ct]

Are you sure that you didn't accidentally hit a baby shower?

There's never been a time where I was in a bar or nightclub and it was 90% female. I can't ever remember thinking in a bar "Wow, this place has an abundance of vagina!".

Understood. In all fairness, there might have been some birthday and/or bachelorette parties going on. The unusually high ratio of women to men probably only lasted for about an hour or so. This only happened a few times, and I didn't stay too long. I'm sure the ratio reversed by 11pm+.

 

[SW15]

Understood. In all fairness, there might have been some birthday and/or bachelorette parties going on. The unusually high ratio of women to men probably only lasted for about an hour or so. This only happened a few times, and I didn't stay too long. I'm sure the ratio reversed by 11pm+.

Many times, female attendees of bachelorette parties are primarily focused on attention whorring and are not serious about meeting men. Women in smaller groups than bachelorette parties are more serious about meeting men. Birthday parties are lower key bachelorette parties.

 

[2Rocky]

I'm going to encourage you guys to go have a boy's night or a boy's weekend to recalibrate your thirst. These women can sense just how desperate you are and you need to tone it down. Remember you don't need an abundance of women to not go home alone...you just need the one who will.

Know your audience. If you understand white suburban chicks, don't go to an inner city club

Keep your standards reasonable. If you have never kissed a girl, don't hold out for a 9. A 6 holding your hand beats a pair of 9's dancing together on the stage.

Just because other people are meeting women doesn't mean you will. Just because other people AREN"T meeting women doesn mean you won't.

You will meet more interested women when you have a woman at home than you will hunting for a mate.

You will convert better if you care less about the outcome.

Quit comparing yourself to other people in regards to your relationships. Envy is the Thief of Joy.

No matter how Alpha some guy is, some woman is tired of his ****.

No woman is perfect. They ALL have Faults. Don't make your requirements SO narrow that you rule them all out.

 

[member160292]

Well said, Rocky. I did a boys night out last weekend and it did wonders for my attitude. It's a real-life reinforcement of what's being said here.