you are not entirely socially awkward, people make it awkward for you when talking with them

[Zimbabwe]

When you are trying to talk with some people they reply in one word answers, act avoidant, blow you off/look away/end the convo abruptly etc. That makes it awkward for you the speaker. So then you stutter because you are struggling to think of words to continue the conversation. Later, these hypocrites will say: "hurr durr bob was very awkward" no dumbass you made it awkward for him by ending the convo abruptly, WTF was he supposed to do? You left him hanging!

-I realized that it seems that when I talk with someone with good convo skills suddenly I am not "awkward" or "weird" anymore.

A conversation always has 2 sides.

 

[corrector]

That's called a non-verbal rejection or indicator of disinterest (IOD). You were opening a set at a bar?

 

[Who Dares Win]

The media is the message, they basically told you even before you engaged that they wanted nothing to do with you.

It's not a challenge that you win through "game" or social skills, it's a guy selling beef to a vegetarian.

This works wheter you open a set a the bar like corrector said or even if you drop a dm on a social media and get a smiley as reply or no reply at all.

Top suggestion is simply move away right after.

 

[espanish]

When you are trying to talk with some people they reply in one word answers, act avoidant, blow you off/look away/end the convo abruptly etc. That makes it awkward for you the speaker. So then you stutter because you are struggling to think of words to continue the conversation. Later, these hypocrites will say: "hurr durr bob was very awkward" no dumbass you made it awkward for him by ending the convo abruptly, WTF was he supposed to do? You left him hanging!

-I realized that it seems that when I talk with someone with good convo skills suddenly I am not "awkward" or "weird" anymore.

A conversation always has 2 sides.

100% right. I am so excited that you wrote this because I have been meaning to write this but I keep forgetting. you are talking about conversations in general but I will apply your logic to conversations with girls. you go talk to a girl and she doesn't contribute anything and you start thinking "I suck at conversations" or "I must be a weirdo"
if a girl is interested she will contribute something to the conversation. "where are you from?" "germany, HOW ABOUT YOU?"
not "where are you from?" "uh...duh...why is this guy talking to me? I want to look at my iphone and see what the kardashians are up to"

 

[Barrister]

What was Bob supposed to do? Brush it off and move on and not sit there trying to stutter something out.

Many women are horrible at interacting socially if it doesn't involve talking about themselves. This is nothing new. It is up to you as the man to have the social grace to navigate this without outwardly make it obvious it bothers you. And eventually, if you have a true abundance mindset it really won't bother you at all.

Many times this just means she has zero interest and wants you to leave her alone. If this happens, mentally pat yourself on the back for making the approach, and just move on with a smile. You don't even need to say anything. Don't stand there and try to keep talking after it becomes obvious there is nowhere to go with the conversation.

 

[espanish]

What was Bob supposed to do? Brush it off and move on and not sit there trying to stutter something out.

Many women are horrible at interacting socially if it doesn't involve talking about themselves. This is nothing new. It is up to you as the man to have the social grace to navigate this without outwardly make it obvious it bothers you. And eventually, if you have a true abundance mindset it really won't bother you at all.

Many times this just means she has zero interest and wants you to leave her alone. If this happens, mentally pat yourself on the back for making the approach, and just move on with a smile. You don't even need to say anything. Don't stand there and try to keep talking after it becomes obvious there is nowhere to go with the conversation.

correct. do a rug pull on them. I used to stand there and make myself look like an idiot. the other day this girl was being rude and looking at her iphone. I walked away mid sentence. don't tolerate attitude.
I am like a stripper. a stripper will walk away the minute she finds out you don't have cash. I walk away the minute I find out she has an attitude.

 

[Bokanovsky]

One thing I’ve realized long ago is that many women are socially awkward (just as many as men, if not more). However, they have less incentive to improve because some dudes will plow through their awkwardness, especially if they are hot.

 

[Xenom0rph]

One thing I’ve realized long ago is that many women are socially awkward (just as many as men, if not more). However, they have less incentive to improve because some dudes will plow through their awkwardness, especially if they are hot.

Exactly. Here's a clip of Aubrey Plaza acting like a complete buffoon (snarky, sarcastic) and yet society will view this as charming. Place this same personality in a man and he'd rightly be called a buffoon.

 

[The Duke]

If your conversation skills are solid and you have confidence in yourself, you will know its them and not you. At that point you find someone else to talk to. They aren't interested. It's usually lack of interest, not that their conversation skills are poor.

 

[redskinsfan92]

I'm convinced lot of women on dating apps are very socially awkward. I realized I'm not when I noticed how easily I make friends in settings like work.

 

[characternote]

This is somewhat true.

When I was super new to this PUA stuff and more naive (believing people could actually 'seduce' anyone they wanted as opposed to simply banging girls who were already attracted), i'd overthink my rejections so much.

I'd spend hours searching PUA forums for topics on 'plowing' and 'hook material' and all this stuff after a night out of literally being Ignored! (UK girls are super happy to just not say a freaking word and look at you like you are on fire and just walk away if you open one who isn't into you at night lol)

Along the way, I got some absolutely awful advice (mainly 'experts' on seddit). Stupid advice like 'she didn't speak back because you made a comment on her outfit after you opened. Too boring. You need to ask her what she would do if she won the lottery or something exciting like that after you open! Also your approach angle was probably a few degrees wrong and that could also be why you weren't able to keep a convo going' lol

The truth is that conversation is a 2 player game. If you open someone and they are not attracted or interested in you (or even talking to you at all) for whatever reason, then all of the techniques and 'game' in the world as just delaying the rejection. Also, you'll likely be talking too a brick wall! Literally. You'll come out of the interaction blaming yourself, feeling like a you lack conversation skills etc, when in reality, you never stood a chance. SHE made it awkward (essentially on purpose, most of the time. They learn how to put an end to unwanted attention)

It's probably why I felt like a social God in comparison when I gamed in the US. The cultural difference in how 'polite' and talkative US are basically trained to be in comparison was very welcome

But it wasn't until i'd laid a decent number of girls from cold approach where I was finally able to look back and think 'you know what? Them instances where I 'ran out of convo' and it was awkward and she wasn't talking back etc, were nothing to do with me and nothing I could have done. You can't seduce someone who doesn't want to be seduced by you, and you often can't even talk to someone who doesn't want to talk!' lol

 

[Murk]

Spoken like a socially awkward coper

 

[devilkingx2]

If someone can't hold a conversation with you, they are boring and not worth talking to. Find a girl who has something to talk about, that's what you deserve!

This is of course, under the assumption you've got something more interesting to talk about than the weather.

 

[sceneparade]

So happy to see this post and see someone else go through it, too.

I had a recent experience where I'd try talking about a previous topic we spoke about, which wax him buying a new car, and you suggest a car you have seen and he wad like "I'm not really into a car now" and that was it. Put a wall up. So you try something else. Again a wall. So I feel awkward. Yet this guy asked for my number to stay in contact weeks before this only to ignore me. Lol

 

[sangheilios]

What was Bob supposed to do? Brush it off and move on and not sit there trying to stutter something out.

Many women are horrible at interacting socially if it doesn't involve talking about themselves. This is nothing new. It is up to you as the man to have the social grace to navigate this without outwardly make it obvious it bothers you. And eventually, if you have a true abundance mindset it really won't bother you at all.

Many times this just means she has zero interest and wants you to leave her alone. If this happens, mentally pat yourself on the back for making the approach, and just move on with a smile. You don't even need to say anything. Don't stand there and try to keep talking after it becomes obvious there is nowhere to go with the conversation.

I think it depends on the context of the interaction at play.

A few years ago I was out with some friends and one of them wanted to approach this pair of women there. I honestly wasn't really feeling it but he approached the one he was interested in and I tried talking to her friend that was with her. I just asked her what her name was, I then introduce myself like a normal person. I then ask her if she was from the area, she says "no" and then just stares at me with this blank expression on her face. I then ask her where she was from, she then says "California" and just continues with this awkward stare. I wasn't even hitting on or being aggressive with this woman that I had no interest in so it was extremely awkard and uncomfortable to say the least. I didn't want to just walk off awkwardly and leave my friend by himself like that so I did the best thing that I thought was appropriate for the situation. I didn't step away but a quick turn of my head away from her was what allowed me to exit the interaction. She continued staring at me for several seconds and then her and her friend walk off. My friend asks me what happened and I told him about she was behaving and that I wanted no part in it but didn't want to leave him there.

Was this woman awkward or just not interested? Who the hell cares, as both answers indicate that she is socially inept and that there is no reason to continue an interaction with her.

 

[espanish]

This is somewhat true.

When I was super new to this PUA stuff and more naive (believing people could actually 'seduce' anyone they wanted as opposed to simply banging girls who were already attracted), i'd overthink my rejections so much.

I'd spend hours searching PUA forums for topics on 'plowing' and 'hook material' and all this stuff after a night out of literally being Ignored! (UK girls are super happy to just not say a freaking word and look at you like you are on fire and just walk away if you open one who isn't into you at night lol)

Along the way, I got some absolutely awful advice (mainly 'experts' on seddit). Stupid advice like 'she didn't speak back because you made a comment on her outfit after you opened. Too boring. You need to ask her what she would do if she won the lottery or something exciting like that after you open! Also your approach angle was probably a few degrees wrong and that could also be why you weren't able to keep a convo going' lol

oh yes, I hate that stuff. I wasted years of my life overanalyzing interactions and trying to figure out that nonsense. Then I realized none of this matters. it's just statistical chance, that's it. that's why I have been saying for years there is no such thing as game. it's all snake oil. maybe I should start my own pick up company and sell idiots courses for $3000.

 

[devilkingx2]

oh yes, I hate that stuff. I wasted years of my life overanalyzing interactions and trying to figure out that nonsense. Then I realized none of this matters. it's just statistical chance, that's it. that's why I have been saying for years there is no such thing as game. it's all snake oil. maybe I should start my own pick up company and sell idiots courses for $3000.

If Christopher Nolan, the greatest director, were to direct a remake of Brokeback Mountain (gay cowboy romance), I would still not watch it.

However if M. Night Shyamalan (infamous for making 2 good movies out of 10 or so) were to have directed The Dark Knight, he would've ruined it and made it terrible.

This analogy shows the importance of both Game (good directing) and LMS (a decent movie concept)