If you are a westerner, you are missing out if you dont move to south east asia (phillipines, vietnam, thailand)

[MatureDJ]

That is beside the point. If people are misidentifying you as middle eastern then you dont really look white. People misidentify me as middle eastern too. The problem is if you look like anything but nordic white then you dont have that same edge. If filipinos have a problem with middle eastern guys then we would also fall into that net.

Anyhow, I still cant wrap my head about why you would risk rejection a second time with a prostitute who rejected you because you look middle eastern. i dont think any guy on this board would give their money to an escort that made them feel bad. You dont think that is wierd?

She was hot. And like I had said, she was pretty cool.

 

[MatureDJ]

So we can agree that we are targeting low hanging fruit in Asia? Why not target low hanging fruit in America? Go to a small town in West Virgnia and find you a poor broad.

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[zinc4]

ive heard similar from other people. why do you think its getting more difficult now?

A few things:

1: like everywhere else....social media

2: white english teachers and engineers been flooding their countries for decades...the novelty factor has worn off. And most just assume the white guys there are are losers back home and that are there only to teach English to fund their drinking and yellow fever fetish. Black guys probably get pumped into this group by default as well and Asians in general can be very racist towards them. But i have seen some athletic looking black guys kill it in Shenzhen China so who knows. I heard they can do well in Japan as well.

3: their economies are strong now. China especially is a place where new millionaires being minted left and right in trade/tech businesses. One of my exes owned like 5 factories there.

4: most foreigners there are in fact English teachers....many even with forged/fake degrees....and most are making pennies. Korea is the only place that pays somewhat decently imo considering its cost of living. It's something that is fun to do in your early to mid twenties no longer than that imo. So by default locals will assume that you are low hanging fruit yourself unless you have something to prove them otherwise.

 

[corrector]

She was hot. And like I had said, she was pretty cool.

Sure, she is cool because she was not a racist the second time you visited her.

 

[zinc4]

Asia is a big place, honestly speaking SEA has the least attractive looking ones especially Filipina and Indonesian girls.

Korean,North Chinese and Japanese girls are very good looking.
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Just looked at these again. The only one that i consider naturally pretty is the girl in the first pic on the far left in the top picture. The one in the middle looks cheap and probably nothing special without her makeup. The one on the far right is downright below average by local standards. Remember, asian women are masters at makeup and presenting themselves well for pictures especially.

The others are all meh. Spotted obvious fake breasts and butter face one covered in makeup. I used to bang ones prettier than those routinely. All of those have a somewhat cheap plastic look as well. They look like club girls to me...ie...girls you meet out clubbing there.

 

[B80]

A few things:

1: like everywhere else....social media

2: white english teachers and engineers been flooding their countries for decades...the novelty factor has worn off. And most just assume the white guys there are are losers back home and that are there only to teach English to fund their drinking and yellow fever fetish. Black guys probably get pumped into this group by default as well and Asians in general can be very racist towards them. But i have seen some athletic looking black guys kill it in Shenzhen China so who knows. I heard they can do well in Japan as well.

3: their economies are strong now. China especially is a place where new millionaires being minted left and right in trade/tech businesses. One of my exes owned like 5 factories there.

4: most foreigners there are in fact English teachers....many even with forged/fake degrees....and most are making pennies. Korea is the only place that pays somewhat decently imo considering its cost of living. It's something that is fun to do in your early to mid twenties no longer than that imo. So by default locals will assume that you are low hanging fruit yourself unless you have something to prove them otherwise.

Yeah a good mate moved to Taiwan to teach English, probably nearly 15 years back now. He wasn't earning great money at first, but built his rep and now seems to do mainly private tutoring off his own back, I think. He said working conditions were t pretty rough and employers arseholes. He's a reasonable bloke too, so trust his views. Wonder if you know him

Met his now wife so after and she's well educated and seems very decent/level headed, but he still had culture issues involving looking after her family at times, but he's a strong character and refused as think some of them were lazy drunks.

He also has strong interest in travelling, other cultures and knew from teens he wanted to move away from western culture. So wasn;t purely chasing women. Not strongly motivated by money or 'things' either so don;t think he minded living on lowish wage.

He's also been learning mandarin for years and like you say its an incredibly tough language to properly grasp. He self taught italian, well educated back in UK so not like he's dim either.

 

[Genetic Error]

A few things:

1: like everywhere else....social media

2: white english teachers and engineers been flooding their countries for decades...the novelty factor has worn off. And most just assume the white guys there are are losers back home and that are there only to teach English to fund their drinking and yellow fever fetish. Black guys probably get pumped into this group by default as well and Asians in general can be very racist towards them. But i have seen some athletic looking black guys kill it in Shenzhen China so who knows. I heard they can do well in Japan as well.

3: their economies are strong now. China especially is a place where new millionaires being minted left and right in trade/tech businesses. One of my exes owned like 5 factories there.

4: most foreigners there are in fact English teachers....many even with forged/fake degrees....and most are making pennies. Korea is the only place that pays somewhat decently imo considering its cost of living. It's something that is fun to do in your early to mid twenties no longer than that imo. So by default locals will assume that you are low hanging fruit yourself unless you have something to prove them otherwise.

what about if im short, going there at 21, with online job, average face, tattoomaxxed, blonde blue eyes, and just want an average/below average girl to LTR. do u think its possible?

 

[corrector]

I guess you are a romantic. Anyway you might be able to agree that a pro who is a 10 might be better than the ugly real women.

That's an apples and orange comparison. What is your angle? Are you saying people, especially on here, who are seeing escorts and claiming they are escortcellers are really normies in denial who simply won't settle for an hb5-6 and are just easing their guilt by claiming they are an escortcel?

 

[zinc4]

Yeah a good mate moved to Taiwan to teach English, probably nearly 15 years back now. He wasn't earning great money at first, but built his rep and now seems to do mainly private tutoring off his own back, I think. He said working conditions were t pretty rough and employers arseholes. He's a reasonable bloke too, so trust his views. Wonder if you know him

Met his now wife so after and she's well educated and seems very decent/level headed, but he still had culture issues involving looking after her family at times, but he's a strong character and refused as think some of them were lazy drunks.

He also has strong interest in travelling, other cultures and knew from teens he wanted to move away from western culture. So wasn;t purely chasing women. Not strongly motivated by money or 'things' either so don;t think he minded living on lowish wage.

He's also been learning mandarin for years and like you say its an incredibly tough language to properly grasp. He self taught italian, well educated back in UK so not like he's dim either.

Is his name Henry?

 

[Epicenter]

That's an apples and orange comparison. What is your angle? Are you saying people, especially on here, who are seeing escorts and claiming they are escortcellers are really normies in denial who simply won't settle for an hb5-6 and are just easing their guilt by claiming they are an escortcel?

I do not think it is apples and oranges that much. The experience you can get in SEA can feel more real than the real thing in the west. So it depends.

For the incells in the west it is hard because the pros are too expensive and there is no GFE.

 

[zinc4]

I do not think it is apples and oranges that much. The experience you can get in SEA can feel more real than the real thing in the west. So it depends.

For the incells in the west it is hard because the pros are too expensive and there is no GFE.

It's not worth it at all to get a pro in the US. Over priced and terrible service/experiences are pretty much guaranteed

 

[Mike32ct]

It's not worth it at all to get a pro in the US. Over priced and terrible service/experiences are pretty much guaranteed

Agreed. Very expensive at one end and super sketchy/ratchet on the other end. Nothing really in between here.

 

[corrector]

I do not think it is apples and oranges that much. The experience you can get in SEA can feel more real than the real thing in the west. So it depends.

For the incells in the west it is hard because the pros are too expensive and there is no GFE.

For the record, how many people have really complained about service in first world countries? @MatureDJ is not complaining so he's a happy escortcel so long as nobody mis-identifies his race who is a racist escort. @Zimbabwe sounded like he got a "meh" experience, but "meh" is different from terrible. I had a great experience and if I had some nervous breakdown afterwards, then it could have happened with any non-pro if I don't believe in casual sex in the first place and women in public who are non-pros also have demons too, etc...( I can't complain the service was terrible if I think casual sex itself is wrong/demonic. Some Muslim countries have you marry a prostitute, called a travellers marriage, before you have sex with her. What can I say? I don't agree with that either since its a fake marriage. ) You have other posters like @Visionist who has amazing experiences in first world European countries.

Show me any posters, who are comfortable with casual sex and are not holding out for marriage or celibacy for religious reasons, who have really complained that this is terrible.

 

[Epicenter]

For the record, how many people have really complained about service in first world countries? @MatureDJ is not complaining so he's a happy escortcel so long as nobody mis-identifies his race who is a racist escort. @Zimbabwe sounded like he got a "meh" experience, but "meh" is different from terrible. I had a great experience and if I had some nervous breakdown afterwards, then it could have happened with any non-pro if I don't believe in casual sex in the first place and women in public who are non-pros also have demons too, etc...( I can't complain the service was terrible if I think casual sex itself is wrong/demonic. Some Muslim countries have you marry a prostitute, called a travellers marriage, before you have sex with her. What can I say? I don't agree with that either since its a fake marriage. ) You have other posters like @Visionist who has amazing experiences in first world European countries.

Show me any posters, who are comfortable with casual sex and are not holding out for marriage or celibacy for religious reasons, who have really complained that this is terrible.

If guyz are happy with pros in the west so good for them. What is your point?

 

[B80]

Is his name Henry?

No, begins with G

 

[B80]

I do not think it is apples and oranges that much. The experience you can get in SEA can feel more real than the real thing in the west. So it depends.

For the incells in the west it is hard because the pros are too expensive and there is no GFE.

Thats my experience. Only had a couple of 'escort/pro' experiences in the west and the whole experience made me feel uncomfortable and wasn't enjoyable.... certainly not worth shelling out 100's for the pleasure for... Thought I'd try it as not overly fussed with effort that has to go into 'dating' in UK, particularly as busy with other things I value: daughter, business, full time job, gym etc. Conclusion I arrived at was I'd rather just have a w**k at home than visit another escort in the UK

SE Asia is (or at least was) a much better experience. Obviously in a lot of cases its still transactional, but felt more of a GFE, which I prefer to the hard and fast '1 hour starts now' type environment in the UK. Have to keep your senses about you though in SE Asia, as probably easier to 'fall' for dubious women as a result of the GFE, more of an emotional side which could like to connections/feelings growing, particularly if you're starved of any romantic connections with women back home. They're clearly switched on and know this, so the dynamic can be they're the hunter and you're the prey, which is obviously not a good position to be in when it comes to women

 

[Epicenter]

Thats my experience. Only had a couple of 'escort/pro' experiences in the west and the whole experience made me feel uncomfortable and wasn't enjoyable.... certainly not worth shelling out 100's for the pleasure for... Thought I'd try it as not overly fussed with effort that has to go into 'dating' in UK, particularly as busy with other things I value: daughter, business, full time job, gym etc. Conclusion I arrived at was I'd rather just have a w**k at home than visit another escort in the UK

SE Asia is (or at least was) a much better experience. Obviously in a lot of cases its still transactional, but felt more of a GFE, which I prefer to the hard and fast '1 hour starts now' type environment in the UK. Have to keep your senses about you though in SE Asia, as probably easier to 'fall' for dubious women as a result of the GFE, more of an emotional side which could like to connections/feelings growing, particularly if you're starved of any romantic connections with women back home. They're clearly switched on and know this, so the dynamic can be they're the hunter and you're the prey, which is obviously not a good position to be in when it comes to women

In SEA one can train PUA stuff. So one is in a position to be emotionally mature with romantic stuff because one has the opportunity to train and get experience.

There one can really be a Don Juan.

 

[B80]

In SEA one can train PUA stuff. So one is in a position to be emotionally mature with romantic stuff because one has the opportunity to train and get experience.

There one can really be a Don Juan.

That what was why it worked for me back in my early 20's. Was really shy with women before, came back a different man - more confident, dgaf attitude towards women, which carried over to getting consistent 'notches' on nights out in UK, which didn;t happen prior to SE Asia.

Certainly recommend it for men on long dry spells, or lacking confidence with women. Like you say, great training ground, as long as you stick to that and don;t fall into the illusion of romance with them, as they will try it on. Some of my mates I went with had been before, so I knew the lay of the land before going, so was fortunate in that respect as could be easy to fall for the illusion otherwise.

Recall 1 of them told me its a like a footballer (soccer player), not scoring for a long time, but going to SE Asia is like scoring but more like penalties every match. It still counts and gets your confidence up, but its not the same as scoring from open play still.