Game vs Looks

[Bigpapa]

There is an ongoing battle of words between 2 male extreme ideologies .

One says that looks and genetics does not matter at all as long as your have at least a good game

the other ones says that looks and genes are the only thing that matter , and guys with good genes and looks do not need game at all

the truth , from my experience is somewhere in the middle

yes genes and looks matter , as this is the first thing that a woman notices when she first sees you . The uglier you are the less opportunities you will have to game girls . But this is not a linear thing , there is a bare minimum threshold that a guy has to achieve , otherwise there is almost nothing that can be done no matter how much game you have studied

game more or less , is the difference between a conversion and a failure . Most of the women will not be infatuated by you from the get go , and not because of your looks but more because a woman has options , and even though she likes you she will stay guarded till she knows that you are indeed a guy with whom she wants to have sex with ( usually the biggest thing in a woman mind is if you stick after sex )

a guy in order to be successful with game , needs to take good care of the outside , inside but also the technical aspect of seduction , otherwise he will not achieve much success

this idea came to me after a tinder match that I got , where a girl is begging me to have a video call in order to confirm that I am indeed the guy in the pictures .

Basically the first impression was good -> then I got the opportunity to game her -> then she wants to really confirm that indeed I am the sexy guy in the pictures -> she will let the courtship phase end , and most likely some sort of relationship to develop

 

[EyeBRollin]

Looks > game.

Although both are important.

Looks + game = sex
Looks + no game = toss up (sex only sometimes)
No looks + game = no sex
No looks + no game = no sex

 

[Bigpapa]

Looks > game.

Although both are important.

Looks + game = sex
Looks + no game = toss up (sex only sometimes)
No looks + game = no sex
No looks + no game = no sex

i would say that no looks + game = sometimes sex , but usually with subpar women

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I don't understand why men have this debate. It's very obvious looks matter. A 9/10 with no game will almost always do better than a 2/10 with great game. Women aren't as superficial as men but they still care about looks to some degree.

If you look really good you don't even need to have good game as long as you have adequate social skills. Women will chase you, you literally just have to sit there and not game them, let them do the work.

 

[corrector]

You cant have abundance without the looks, a thing that chadlites dont seem to get. Without abundance you are always getting the raw end of the deal.

 

[characternote]

Physical attraction is a pre-requisite for sex and for your 'game' to have any effect. (luckily not all girls have the same idea of what 'good looking' is. Some girls like guys with massive noses or whatever!)

The amount of game you need is dependant on how handsome she thinks you are.

My slayer friends (one of whome has zero game) can outslay any average looking PUA nerd who knows all about NLP and and mysterymethod and who is the most self-amused mofo out there

If you have zero game (you are weird and boring etc) but exceptional looks, you can still crush it. Not only does that describe one of my slayer friends, but there's also a dude on a looksmazxxing forum who has posted all kinds of proof of his hot lays and he's legit odd and knows he is. He's a headcase and is awkward and doesn't know what to say to girls. He even has screenshots of girls saying he's a bit creepy etc, yet he still bangs them due to very good looks

If you have brilliant game, you are still gonna be **** out of luck if the girl you open is not physically attracted to you (and unfortunately many of the hotter, younger girls are pretty damn picky!)

At this point, i'd say 'game' is more about banging attracted girls more efficiently. Not MAKING them attracted.
(interestingly, that comes from rooshV who back in the day would have banned himself from his forum for saying that!! )

So As you say, it's somewhere in the middle, but looks are definitely more important - i'd say now more than ever in this new world

 

[Atom Smasher]

Women's perception is malleable. One of the great things about being a man is that we can influence her perception of our looks with solid game.

Let's say a guy had pretty good looks but a lazy eye. Most of you would say that's a hopeless case. The lazy eye is a point of hesitation for most women. If that man spits solid game, and has excellent body language and dresses well (conveying self-respect), she will weigh that lazy eye with far less importance and might even consider it unique and endearing.

Women DO NOT think like us. For us men, strengths in one area can compensate for weaknesses in other areas.

Women are extraordinarily malleable and they WANT to accept and be attracted to men. They will make allowances for height, a few extra pounds, receding hairline or baldness, and many other flaws if a man radiates self-acceptance, self-respect, boldness and confidence.

So many of you walk around with your head down because of self-consciousness about a flaw or several that you have. If you were to create a new reality for yourself by "acting as if", those flaws would greatly decrease as a factor and you would walk around with the sense of entitlement that you should have.

This is one concept that is greatly resisted in our community, and this is because we think that women think like we do.

Be superior to women and judge them. Get into that habit, present yourself the best you can with what God gave you, and your issues with women will vanish. All it takes is a daily decision to act "as if".

Crucify your story and your history. Your history is a tyrant and a jailer. Bring death to these and create someone new. Never forget that women do not objectively rate us with hard numbers like we do. They average out the entire equation. Leverage that fact for your own success. If I did it, anyone can.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Women's perception is malleable. One of the great things about being a man is that we can influence her perception of our looks with solid game.

Let's say a guy had pretty good looks but a lazy eye. Most of you would say that's a hopeless case. The lazy eye is a point of hesitation for most women. If that man spits solid game, and has excellent body language and dresses well (conveying self-respect), she will weigh that lazy eye with far less importance and might even consider it unique and endearing.

Women DO NOT think like us. For us men, strengths in one area can compensate for weaknesses in other areas.

Women are extraordinarily malleable and they WANT to accept and be attracted to men. They will make allowances for height, a few extra pounds, receding hairline or baldness, and many other flaws if a man radiates self-acceptance, self-respect, boldness and confidence.

So many of you walk around with your head down because of self-consciousness about a flaw or several that you have. If you were to create a new reality for yourself by "acting as if", those flaws would greatly decrease as a factor and you would walk around with the sense of entitlement that you should have.

This is one concept that is greatly resisted in our community, and this is because we think that women think like we do.

Be superior to women and judge them. Get into that habit, present yourself the best you can with what God gave you, and your issues with women will vanish. All it takes is a daily decision to act "as if".

Crucify your story and your history. Your history is a tyrant and a jailer. Bring death to these and create someone new. Never forget that women do not objectively rate us with hard numbers like we do. They average out the entire equation. Leverage that fact for your own success. If I did it, anyone can.

This is all true and solid advice but it is irrelevant on the the extremes. No amount of confidence will make a 2/10 look as sexy to women as a 10/10 Chad. Obviously a 10/10 could lower himself to a 6 if he had significant confidence issues, but he's still way better off than most people.

That said looks matter far less for MAINTAINING attraction. All of what you said is much more relevant in trying to keep a woman around. Initial attraction is a different story.

 

[Lookatu]

Game itself only worked good pre-internet.

Looks get you in the door these days which is where everyone has to start off. You can't put the cart before the horse in this case.

From that point, game will help you or get you what you want.

 

[Bigpapa]

Women's perception is malleable. One of the great things about being a man is that we can influence her perception of our looks with solid game.

Let's say a guy had pretty good looks but a lazy eye. Most of you would say that's a hopeless case. The lazy eye is a point of hesitation for most women. If that man spits solid game, and has excellent body language and dresses well (conveying self-respect), she will weigh that lazy eye with far less importance and might even consider it unique and endearing.

Women DO NOT think like us. For us men, strengths in one area can compensate for weaknesses in other areas.

Women are extraordinarily malleable and they WANT to accept and be attracted to men. They will make allowances for height, a few extra pounds, receding hairline or baldness, and many other flaws if a man radiates self-acceptance, self-respect, boldness and confidence.

So many of you walk around with your head down because of self-consciousness about a flaw or several that you have. If you were to create a new reality for yourself by "acting as if", those flaws would greatly decrease as a factor and you would walk around with the sense of entitlement that you should have.

This is one concept that is greatly resisted in our community, and this is because we think that women think like we do.

Be superior to women and judge them. Get into that habit, present yourself the best you can with what God gave you, and your issues with women will vanish. All it takes is a daily decision to act "as if".

Crucify your story and your history. Your history is a tyrant and a jailer. Bring death to these and create someone new. Never forget that women do not objectively rate us with hard numbers like we do. They average out the entire equation. Leverage that fact for your own success. If I did it, anyone can.

yes they do not see beauty as men do , but one thing is to have some flaws that a woman would pass but still being overall a sexy guy , and a different thing when you are not at least average in looks

and even if you are average in looks , you can still do things to give you a boost in sexy ness , like dressing sharp or going to the gym

but if you are a 5 , no amount of self improving will help you score consistently girls above 7/10 . Sometimes you will be lucky , but most of the times you will not

guys thinking that by learning game can jump more than 2 points above their league constantly are just delusional

so gents , no matter how your situation is in the looks department , do not make children with ugly women , otherwise they will just have a crappy life

I am just tired of going to this seduction forums and see extremist ideology , and the so called experts telling you how by learning game you can sleep only with models , just that in return you just have to pay them a sh1tload of money to “teach you” how

 

[AttackFormation]

"Only message me if you have something interesting to say. Boring messages will only be replied to if I think you’re hot."

- Found by me on a woman's profile right now (i could screenshot it).

 

[Bigpapa]

Physical attraction is a pre-requisite for sex and for your 'game' to have any effect. (luckily not all girls have the same idea of what 'good looking' is. Some girls like guys with massive noses or whatever!)

The amount of game you need is dependant on how handsome she thinks you are.

My slayer friends (one of whome has zero game) can outslay any average looking PUA nerd who knows all about NLP and and mysterymethod and who is the most self-amused mofo out there

If you have zero game (you are weird and boring etc) but exceptional looks, you can still crush it. Not only does that describe one of my slayer friends, but there's also a dude on a looksmazxxing forum who has posted all kinds of proof of his hot lays and he's legit odd and knows he is. He's a headcase and is awkward and doesn't know what to say to girls. He even has screenshots of girls saying he's a bit creepy etc, yet he still bangs them due to very good looks

If you have brilliant game, you are still gonna be **** out of luck if the girl you open is not physically attracted to you (and unfortunately many of the hotter, younger girls are pretty damn picky!)

At this point, i'd say 'game' is more about banging attracted girls more efficiently. Not MAKING them attracted.
(interestingly, that comes from rooshV who back in the day would have banned himself from his forum for saying that!! )

So As you say, it's somewhere in the middle, but looks are definitely more important - i'd say now more than ever in this new world

at some point in my forum days , I got into a debate about the “sex talk” with a so called expert , where he was saying that by using sex talk you will create attraction

I told him that if the woman is not attracted to you it is just wired talking about sexual subjects with you , so if it works it only works because she liked you from the get go not because you did anything that made her like you

sure if you use it as a filter to screen out those who do not like you , yes it is a good tool , but not to create attraction , seduce Her or whatever

attraction is either there from the get go or not

 

[EyeBRollin]

How does one have "no looks"? Faceless?

Busted face. Fat. No style. Etc

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Game has most value if you are between 4-7. And of course, within that range, a ‘4’ needs a better game than a ‘7’.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

at some point in my forum days , I got into a debate about the “sex talk” with a so called expert , where he was saying that by using sex talk you will create attraction

I told him that if the woman is not attracted to you it is just wired talking about sexual subjects with you , so if it works it only works because she liked you from the get go not because you did anything that made her like you

sure if you use it as a filter to screen out those who do not like you , yes it is a good tool , but not to create attraction , seduce Her or whatever

attraction is either there from the get go or not

If a woman is in to you, she will initiate (or at least eagerly respond) to sex talk. If she finds you hot, she’ll twist your words into double entendres.

 

[Velasco]

How does one have "no looks"?

she doesn't find you physically attractive.

 

[characternote]

If a woman is in to you, she will initiate (or at least eagerly respond) to sex talk. If she finds you hot, she’ll twist your words into double entendres.

when I first started realising a lot of this stuff, I found myself being way less impressed by peoples lay reports and stuff lol. Girls really will often do so much of the work for you IF they are attracted.
I read an FR last week where a guy was literally being opened by girls and stuff, and people were congratulating him on his 'game' etc. I think if people realised how it actually works, they'd be less impressed lol

 

[Machine10033]

Looks.... if your attractive a girl won’t really care about your game.. if your stumbling and bumbling she with think it’s adorable... if your not attractive she will think your a social reject... Game can get a girl past looks... but looks give you a bag of mulligans

 

[Velasco]

Game has most value if you are between 4-7. And of course, within that range, a ‘4’ needs a better game than a ‘7’.

game is an umbrella term for = charm (high social IQ)/confidence/sexy laid back vibe. if you don't have game = not charming (low social IQ)/not confident/not sexy, you won't be as efficient at laying girls that are into you / aren't repulsed by you, as someone who does.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Looks.... if your attractive a girl won’t really care about your game.. if your stumbling and bumbling she with think it’s adorable... if your not attractive she will think your a social reject... Game can get a girl past looks... but looks give you a bag of mulligans

That’s not true. This forum is a collection of men that found a way to blow it with girls that found us attractive initially. If you act like a beta cornball, she will lose attraction rather quickly. Happens all the time. Game does matter.