"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Semi-erection because of a lack of attraction

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Do we have a problem?

Are you the SS police or something? How does this affect you? Don't you have better things to do here (like give advice to men that need it, or contribute to the collective)? Why are you so obsessed/bothered by how my company is run?

I don't need to explain to you how my company is run or who is behind our website content, social media, community engagement, coaching. If you have a problem, give me a call and we'll square it cause we don't have the time to waste it a jacka*** like you.

Capisci? Good, now go on and twinkle with your berries kid.

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lol Overreact much? Sounds like I hit a button there.

I have no problem with you at all. It's just weird referring to yourself as "we" repeatedly (although I notice in this particular response to me you finally referred to yourself in the singular). But if you think I am a jackA$$ that is fine. I have been called much worse.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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lol Overreact much? Sounds like I hit a button there.

I have no problem with you at all. It's just weird referring to yourself as "we" repeatedly (although I notice in this particular response to me you finally referred to yourself in the singular). But if you think I am a jackA$$ that is fine. I have been called much worse.
Let it go, and let's get back on topic talking about semi-erect penises.
 

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Few things I noticed about this that made no sense to me:
1) you pointed out several things that turned you off about her before even starting the date, almost seemed kinda nitpicky too. yet you still went back to her place.
2) you said things started getting hot and heavy, why, how? you said you were not attracted to her. kinda weird.
3) you took her to the bathroom to have sex? also kinda weird. i mean theres so many better places man, does she not have a couch, a bed, etc?

I think you might have just forced something with a girl you're not really into which is strange as to how things got hot and heavy.. I'm guessing she initiated and you obliged?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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1) you pointed out several things that turned you off about her before even starting the date, almost seemed kinda nitpicky too. yet you still went back to her place.
Yeah, I was really thinking of going home but she was so ready you know. I had this whole internal discussion about going for it or going home. In the end my ego took over... I know it's stupid so your point is valid.

2) you said things started getting hot and heavy, why, how? you said you were not attracted to her. kinda weird.
You can think it's weird. That's ok

3) you took her to the bathroom to have sex? also kinda weird. i mean theres so many better places man, does she not have a couch, a bed, etc?
Damn! Me and my English!!! Bedroom! I ment to say BEDroom. Haha you're to first to point this one out :D

I think you might have just forced something with a girl you're not really into which is strange as to how things got hot and heavy.. I'm guessing she initiated and you obliged?
I think so too. I just wanted to add her to the list you know. I know it's childish. But no, she didn't initiate. Don't focus too much on the hot and heavy part. Not an native englishspeaker here. This just means kissing and touching to me.
 

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Yeah, I was really thinking of going home but she was so ready you know. I had this whole internal discussion about going for it or going home. In the end my ego took over... I know it's stupid so your point is valid.



You can think it's weird. That's ok



Damn! Me and my English!!! Bedroom! I ment to say BEDroom. Haha you're to first to point this one out :D



I think so too. I just wanted to add her to the list you know. I know it's childish. But no, she didn't initiate. Don't focus too much on the hot and heavy part. Not an native englishspeaker here. This just means kissing and touching to me.
Yeah don't worry about it man. It happens sometimes
It's perfectly normal man to have your body not fully cooperate the first time with a new girl. But it helps to have a girl you're into physically/attracted to. You'll be alright :)
 

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Yeah don't worry about it man. It happens sometimes
It's perfectly normal man to have your body not fully cooperate the first time with a new girl. But it helps to have a girl you're into physically/attracted to. You'll be alright :)
I'm 40 years old. Had sex with over 100 women and my equipement has failed me only 4-5 times in my life. So, I'm not too worried. There's always a reason (too tired, too much alcohol and now.. zero attraction)

The worst part is that I still smell her on me. Never experienced anything like it. Her smell pops up whenever I think of her. It's repulsive. That is really weird part. I didn't feel that much repulsed when I started kissing her.
 

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Few things I noticed about this that made no sense to me:
you took her to the bathroom to have sex? also kinda weird. i mean theres so many better places man, does she not have a couch, a bed, etc?
Damn! Me and my English!!! Bedroom! I ment to say BEDroom. Haha you're to first to point this one out :D
Lmao!! I didn't even catch that either

Saying fvck the bed or couch and taking a chick to the bathroom to have sex instead :rofl:
 

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Guys,

Yesterday I spend the night at a girl's place. I met her 2 weeks ago in a supermarket. Did a pretty solid approach, talked for a few minutes, got her number and things just kinda happened from that point on.

I remember that I thought she was pretty hot, but yesterday we went on a date and I saw her without her facemask. Well.. I was kinda disappointed. And on top of that she had these really small boobs and I didn't like her perfume. Weird.. a perfume has never bothered me before. In fact, I didn't like anything about her. I just wasn't attracted. She wasn't even all that much fun.

But hey, I did my thing, bought us some wine and went for it. We ended up at her place and things turned hot and heavy, but I wasn't really feeling it. I really didn't feel very attracted to her but was still looking for some sex.

And then it happened.. I lead her to her bathroom and as much as I tried... I just couldn't get a full erection. It was just kinda hanging there like a national flag looks when a country is in mourning. You know, half mast hehe. For some miraculous reason I succeeded in penetrating her and a full erection followed soon after but I got spooked. This has never happened to me before. In fact I had great sex with another woman last saturday.

Did some of you have a similar experience once? I'm not worried because I get horny as hell when I'm with a hot woman, but I didn't like it that my body kinda went 'meh' on this girl because I wasn't attracted. Maybe I should have ended the date and just walked instead of thinking about getting some.
Nah, I'm usually always ready for sex; unless I'm focusing on something else more important. Did you have something going on yesterday that made your mind preoccupied? It's hard with these damn masks to see how a female looks. Banging body, but messed up face. Ehh, I can see how that can hurt things. That's when you use your mind to think of a hot female you want to bang and get the job done. Flat chested, yea, I experienced that once too. It wasn't as fun. She was, I guess, wearing a padded bra, but was near flat with her top off; with a banging fat ass to boot. Can't win some times.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Lol that's why I will never approach a woman wearing a facemask. That thing hides 75% of their face.
 

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Did you have something going on yesterday that made your mind preoccupied?
Nope! But her perfume was really distracting me and in the morning she had a really bad breathe. She's been texting me all day. I don't get women. Surely she must have noticed that I wasn't really feeling it?
 

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Never have sex for the sake of sex and having "another notch in your belt".
I wouldn't tell me younger self this. Would agree if the woman is over 35.

But I think anything between 20-30 that is thin and decent looking, knock it out the park. I missed out on so many opportunities because the woman wasn’t “hot” enough. The media knows how to constantly bombard you with images to get brainwashed.
 

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I wouldn't tell me younger self this. Would agree if the woman is over 35.

But I think anything between 20-30 that is thin and decent looking, knock it out the park. I missed out on so many opportunities because the woman wasn’t “hot” enough. The media knows how to constantly bombard you with images to get brainwashed.
Thanks for sharing that.

100% agree about what is considered "hot" vs not. It's all media constructed. You nailed it there. We are, indeed, constantly being brainwashed to influence our thinking and behavior.

However, and correct us if we are wrong, but the issue for him (from what we understand) is not she wasn't "hot". The issue is simply that he wasn't the least attracted to her, and therefore the semi-erection. If anything, it sounds like he was the opposite of attracted, he was repulsed.

A woman doesn't have to be "hot" (although we all know that would ideal), for us to get turned on. But we need to at least be somewhat, or at the very least, slightly attracted to her for a man to feel that need. Her personality was also plain and boring, and that didn't help.

Again, correct us if we are wrong but no men should feel "obligated" to have sex because she is:
  • A woman with a vagina
  • You are in private
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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However, and correct us if we are wrong, but the issue for him (from what we understand) is not she wasn't "hot". The issue is simply that he wasn't the least attracted to her, and therefore the semi-erection. If anything, it sounds like he was the opposite of attracted, he was repulsed.
Correct. I have had sex with uglier women before. Some would have made a star appearance in Planets of The Apes. Hey, my standards have gotten higher over the years. Don't judge me :)

But this one became more and more unattractive the more I started to focus on it.

Anyway. Lesson learned
 

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Yeah this can be an issue because you don't want to love a girl, a girl you love, you really can't get to the depth to borderline hurt a broad the way your banging her, your timid with a woman you love.

To me, there is just a way certain women move their bodies that activates it, but there are some women who just can't move their bodies in that way, they are rigid, masculine and its unattractive, I'm quite pleased with this post as this is the first time I feel I've been able to accurately articulate this feeling.
 

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Nope! But her perfume was really distracting me and in the morning she had a really bad breathe. She's been texting me all day. I don't get women. Surely she must have noticed that I wasn't really feeling it?
Try it again to know for sure. Could had been just an off day. Never leave good pvssy on the ground. Now, if it was bad pvssy, then let it go.
 

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I remember going down on a girl that was so rank she could've wilted flowers. 3 seconds in and I told her I was hungry and we went to get a hot dog instead, then I dropped her off and drank a whole bottle of Listerine.
 

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I remember going down on a girl that was so rank she could've wilted flowers. 3 seconds in and I told her I was hungry and we went to get a hot dog instead, then I dropped her off and drank a whole bottle of Listerine.
I had one with a smell like salmon that had been left out until it's rotting combined with poop.... Literally poop. That killed any shot for an erection had to get head. She had that the next time but the time after that it was gone. Suspect it was bacterial vaginotis and she got the medicine.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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