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When I first came to this forum, it used to kind of drive me crazy because there was so much group think going on. If someone made a certain comment, you could pretty much predict what the reply would be because like you say, it was all rote. If someone says A, you say B. It was as predictable as a Mystery pickup routine, it seemed that canned. This frustrated me, because I wanted to hear some differing opinions. That was quite a while back though, and at the time pickup was very based on routines and memorized pieces. Thankfully, that has changed for the better IMO, although some still pine for the "good old days".When reading a lot of advice given on this forum, I see a lot of "smart" members. In other words, it would appear that they've read a lot of pickup material and through memorization, will provide 'advice' that they've previously read to be gospel.
I don't claim to be any of the above, but given the choice, I believe that "wise" has the best of both worlds.smart, like scientists.
intelligent, like engineers.
wise, like owner.
most attractive is wise??
--When I first came to this forum, it used to kind of drive me crazy because there was so much group think going on. If someone made a certain comment, you could pretty much predict what the reply would be because like you say, it was all rote. If someone says A, you say B. It was as predictable as a Mystery pickup routine, it seemed that canned. This frustrated me, because I wanted to hear some differing opinions. That was quite a while back though, and at the time pickup was very based on routines and memorized pieces. Thankfully, that has changed for the better IMO, although some still pine for the "good old days".
Anyway, you were talking about people memorizing information and spitting it back. The kind of people they used as examples in the video were highly creative people who were passionate about their pursuits (Newton and Tesla). They certainly weren't lacking intelligence.
Not too many like to discuss ideas in a social setting.Great minds discuss ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds discuss people
Intelligence have many aspect to it, and i think some part of it are more useful than others.I'm thinking that there's a huge difference between people that are just smart and those that are intelligent.
I'm going to provide a couple of personal instances.
When I was fifteen, I was the typical school rebellion. I was more interested in playing guitar after school than doing homework. Consequently, my grades were barley passing. My girlfriend at the time, was a straight A student. I walked her home a lot and on one of these walks, I asked her some random philosophical question. It was the strangest thing. She could not formulate an opinion. Because she was so "smart" I could not understand this at all.
Later, I came to realize that "smart" people can memorize things well, but that does not necessarily mean that they have the skills (or even drive for that matter) to formulate independent thought.
Here's a more recent example. I belong to a philosophy group. My first thought was that I'll be able to meet like-minded people that are also in search of perspectives that aren't part of group-think or the mainstream. Boy, I was wrong about that! Nearly all members will quote things that they've previously read, but when asked a question that involved personal perspective, they seemed incapable.
In other words, the above parties are smart, but appear to lack intelligence.
Exactly.Intelligence have many aspect to it, and i think some part of it are more useful than others.
Verbal intelligence wont be as useful than logical reasoning skills for example.
Not all field are created equal.Exactly.
One of my plates now went to Harvard and got her Master's there too, but she's dumb as rocks when it comes to certain technical things but way smart in other areas. Unfortunately she's not too bright in her career path as she is just working at an inner city school as a teacher. But I guess it brings her joy and fulfills her in a way I will never understand.
Exactly, I agree. In today's world, there is so much emphasis placed on which school and job titles/certifications and such. Over half the people I met with master's degrees, I'd actually consider not so bright outside of the school environment. A couple coworkers don't know $hit but they do know how to answer interview questions really well for example.Not all field are created equal.
But lots of ppl think level of education equal intelligence, its probably why we have so much incompetence everywhere.
A phd in social science is most of the time dumber than a BA in Math for example.
that can be true. another side of that is that everyone has different skills and talents as it relates to this. same as physical attributes, we can clearly see that a 350 pound ripped guy is stronger than a 150-pound toothpick and we do not expect the smaller one to have a chance to compete. mental skills (all including social) are unique between ppl. I am not an MD but am aware that human brains are really complex. So man assumes that the other guy should be able to understand and mentally do and figure out anything I can and if he does not it must be because he is not motivated. I watched some really interesting documentary on mushrooms, and how some men had used mushrooms to try to fix there mind in the same way that toothpick will try roids. It worked for some of them... My idea is that we consider that the social failings of another might be because they can't, not because the won't.You could argue that intelligent people are less friendly that is also why they don't have many friends. Maybe they think they don't need to be friendly.
I think it's more that their focus is on something else instead of people.You could argue that intelligent people are less friendly that is also why they don't have many friends. Maybe they think they don't need to be friendly.
They got the papers. Alot of fExactly, I agree. In today's world, there is so much emphasis placed on which school and job titles/certifications and such. Over half the people I met with master's degrees, I'd actually consider not so bright outside of the school environment. A couple coworkers don't know $hit but they do know how to answer interview questions really well for example.
So treat people like crap so they'll like you?I think it's more that their focus is on something else instead of people.
Also, if people are friendly so that other people like them, that's basically the same thing as the stereotypical "Nice Guy".
Don't look at me, I didn't write this PUA stuff. They're the ones who are always saying being nice is such a terrible thing.So treat people like crap so they'll like you?
No. Don't graft the future onto the present moment. Agree with zekko, follow the Golden Rule.So treat people like crap so they'll like you?