Is this site too red pill?

[Trump]

A lot of the thought processes on this site, these girls are all sluts, these girls don’t mean anything, new girls are turning 19 20 21 everyday, don’t worry about petty romance, focus of money and career, is too toxic to men.

Once a man gets to a certain age and has decent money, he definitely wants some sort of connection with a woman, some sort of family. Even if a man gets married, as long as he gets a child from her and protects himself in case of divorce, he should be fine. One of the problems this site thinks about marriage is you have to be with your wife 24/7, in her face constantly, spend all day and night with her. It’s ridiculous. You can be married, have kids, focus on being great, and still see your wife 4 days a week. Even if your wife cuts off sex, you can get a younger hotter mistress.

Love may be petty or not real or conditional or transient or fleeting, and kids can be a headache, but I would say a lot of men on this site want both, yet are too macho to admit it.

No man, once he has reached a decent living, is going to happier in his 40’s 50’s with an extra $200,000 in his bank and no family to speak of. Heck, I’ll even go $2,000,000.

I think this site can be too red pill.

 

[KindredSpiritzz]

How does one protect himself against divorce or child support for that matter? You're at the mercy of a female biased legal system decinding what you get to keep and what you have to pay her. I think its a blue pill bill of goods men are taught that they need a family to make life worthwhile. Wive's are dangerous headaches at best and kids are a money drain. Once the kids turn 18 they are off living their own life and dead ol dad is an after thought. The risk is not worth the reward in most instances. You got a 50% shot of staying married if its your first marriage but how many of the 50% that stay married are happily married? 30% maybe? The odds are just not in your favor. Im my case if i got married again it'd be my 3rd marriage and 87% of those fail. No thanks, im out. Any smart man would opt out of that rigged game.

 

[Xenom0rph]

OP, this post reminds me of the steak scene in The Matrix.....the bluepill is an illusion, my friend....only the redpill will set you free.....

 

[corrector]

Technically that's more black-pillish then red-pill. Red-pill has been around since the last decade and this decade and has never changed. The MGTOW is more recent.

Having been in a marriage where my ex-wife left me on finances or money issues, I would probably have to say that the advice to focus on your career and money makes more sense. When I was married, it felt like she was on my face 24/7 and would get suspicious about me (even against my own mother) and at the later parts of the marriage, things I enjoyed while I was single, like riding a bike during the summer, going out with my folks/mother, or any enjoyment on my own became a liability and strain in the marriage. The woman becomes a big expense to you and just takes because the man is culturally supposed to provide for the woman.

I didn't have kids with her as a result there is no connection at all with her and it's like nothing ever happened with her.

Have a cousin whose wife enjoys beating him up and his two children up. He's constantly complaining every day that he can't afford the money to move out and separate from her and how she takes all his money from work and sticks him with other bills in the house. It sounds as though he would be happy away from her but has to take the abuse because there is nothing he can really do about it.

So there is nothing but bad news so far with any involvement with women to this degree. Even if you have money, and things go south with your career, then the woman could leave you high and dry and still come after you for support.

People don't like abuse, Trump? Do you like being abused financially? Get married then. Everyone has to choose their pain.

 

[Speculator E]

People don't like abuse, Trump? Do you like being abused financially? Get married then. Everyone has to choose their pain.

The world is becoming more evil.
You can take the chance that you'll marry a good woman and she won't be corrupted by the world.
But it's a gamble with the world being evil. There isn't much hope.

 

[MrWood]

She can sleep with other men if she wants

cuck'd

 

[PeasantPlayer]

You take 1 one pill, find out the truth get angry, get better and learn acceptance. Anything other than that is red pill addiction and some people need to cut off their prescription

 

[MrWood]

sleeping with other women

not judging from you post history

 

[MrWood]

I can bet I have been with more women and hotter women than you ever will.

I would take that bet, you might want to check your odds, son.

 

[Trump]

Having been in a marriage where my ex-wife left me on finances or money issues, I would probably have to say that the advice to focus on your career and money makes more sense.

I didn't have kids with her as a result there is no connection at all with her and it's like nothing ever happened with her.

Why did you get married? If a woman doesn’t get pregnant within 6 months of marrying, she has to go.

The man has to solve any finances and money issues before be gets married.

By the time the man focuses on his money and career, the fertile women are married up and gone.

Even if you have money, and things go south with your career, then the woman could leave you high and dry and still come after you for support.

Again solve it beforehand. Peace of mind before anything.

People don't like abuse, Trump? Do you like being abused financially? Get married then. Everyone has to choose their pain.

No I don’t like abuse. But when a man focuses on himself and money the good ones are being snapped up.

 

[Hal9000]

I don't think it's in dispute that most men would prefer the "white picket fence" life with an adoring wife and a couple of kids. Unfortunately our society is rapidly evolving to the point that's not realistic for the vast majority of men for a host of reasons beyond their control. I see this site as a way to help men navigate those troubled waters as the family life many of our grandfathers may have enjoyed is gone forever.

 

[zekko]

I don't think it's in dispute that most men would prefer the "white picket fence" life with an adoring wife and a couple of kids. Unfortunately our society is rapidly evolving.

More like society is devolving. It's absolutely ridiculous that a man be ridiculed as an AFC beta cuck chump just because he wants to have a family. Unfortunately, as you note, our society has degenerated to the point that it is a huge risk for the man to attempt to make that happen.

 

[corrector]

Why did you get married? If a woman doesn’t get pregnant within 6 months of marrying, she has to go.

She didn't present herself as materialistic and I tried multiple times of disclosing my financial situation to her and brought her to my home (i.e. she knows how the home was and its location) before we got married. She kept insisting that she didn't care about marrying a poor man to the point of tears when I was thinking of withdrawing from the whole thing because I thought her mother (my mother-in-law to be) was too toxic concerning having a big wedding and having me pay for some of the wedding expenses.

The man has to solve any finances and money issues before be gets married.

The principle of the matter is still the same. She complained too much about the home being in a ghetto area and being too untidy. Before we got married, she offered to help clean up the home. After we got married, she referred me to an expensive maid service and expected my folks to sell the home and move to a new home elsewhere when we weren't ready to do that and she had agreed to wait at her parent's house for about a year or so until we were ready to do this. All of a sudden this became a major strain on the marriage within the first month.

As another issue, we had a number of pre-marriage counselling sessions where I drove all the way to her home to pick her up and take her to church. She presented herself as a loving type of wife-to-be that respected faith-based aspect of marriage and being a good godly character. All of the time spent in this direction could have been spent elsewhere seeing the way this disintegrated so shortly after the marriage. I ended up quitting a Real-Estate office that was giving me leads because too much strain was placed dealing with both her and arranging the wedding/pre-marriage counselling, etc.... At the end of the day none of that meant anything and she was complaining about finances and saying that she can get another guy that doesn't have as many financial issues.

So, yes, what you are saying is correct. However, that does not change the fact that I felt deceived into going into this marriage with a woman who presented herself that all she cared about was my loyalty and love and doing the best I could in my situation, to being totally materialistic. It's like someone marrying someone who is crippled in one leg, and then divorcing them because they are crippled in one leg after ringing them through an expensive wedding and adding insult to injury afterwards.

Therefore, you can not excuse bad behaviour on a woman's end by saying "this is the man's responsibility for this and that". Bad behaviour is still bad behaviour and that's why marriage is a bad idea in principle because women can turn on you too badly.

By the time the man focuses on his money and career, the fertile women are married up and gone.

If you are broke then the fertile woman don't seem to want you either. It's better to focus on your money and career (if you are able to) because its better being single and having money and a career then being single and broke, or bringing a child into the world and broke, or being married and broke. If things go south, and you CAN'T pay child support, then you could actually go to jail.

Again solve it beforehand. Peace of mind before anything.

You can't always solve things like that beforehand. The only way to solve things like that is to just not get married or dump the girl after.
Didn't even get properly hard with her. If I saw that the sex was bad with her before we got married, that would have been even more helpful. Following the Biblical instructions of getting married before having sex has led to nothing but grief.

No I don’t like abuse. But when a man focuses on himself and money the good ones are being snapped up.

LIke I said, if you are screwed up badly if you are poor or broke (i.e. could end up homeless, in jail, owing child support/spousal support payments, unable to move-on in life from a bad marriage, etc....) then it would be better to focus on himself and money. If you are down and have no support network, then nobody gives a fvck about you. Chasing women is stupid unless you really take care of yourself first.

 

[zekko]

@corrector, it sounds like you were the victim of a bait and switch. She presented herself as one thing, but turned out to be another. It may not even have been intentional, but it ended up like that anyway.

 

[corrector]

@corrector, it sounds like you were the victim of a bait and switch. She presented herself as one thing, but turned out to be another. It may not even have been intentional, but it ended up like that anyway.

But isnt all divorces a type of bait and switch on principle? Just because my case was more quick than average after tying the knot does not make it any less valid. Whether it or 2 months or 10 years, the fact of being unintentional, having her change after marrying, makes it a textbook case. Nobody wants to be a victim. The only way not to be a victim of an eventual bait and switch is not to marry. Who divorces the same person they marry?

 

[corrector]

It's good to be smart and informed, screen women and all that. But there's a lot of irrational fear among men on this site. Yes, you can be cheated on, divorced, etc. You can also be laid off from a job and killed in a car accident. In other words, why get out of bed in the morning if you're not willing to pursue your goals with conviction? Only you know what those goals are.

If you get laid off then its better being laid off if you are single than if your married and have a family to support.

 

[Glassguy]

@Trump

It baffles me that you start a thread that talks about love and romance, finding the right woman and then go into protecting yourself financially from divorce.

And then say that WHEN the woman cuts you off from sex, just go find a mistress. So just go cheat.

Finding love/romance+having a KID with a chick+ marriage+getting cut off sexually as if its some ransom+ go get a mistress+ protect yourself from divorce = NO THANKS!

I will just keep my rotation.

And to answer your question- I think some sites are way too blue pill. I would not say that this site is too red pill.

If it is too red pill for certain people its because they live to extremes and cannot balance things in their lives

 

[Glassguy]

It sounds like you are still eating some of that blue pill and trying to be red pill in the process

 

[Speculator E]

It's good to be smart and informed, screen women and all that. But there's a lot of irrational fear among men on this site. Yes, you can be cheated on, divorced, etc. You can also be laid off from a job and killed in a car accident. In other words, why get out of bed in the morning if you're not willing to pursue your goals with conviction? Only you know what those goals are.

The key idea is that you need to stop socializing with Evil people.
If the world is Evil and everyone is Evil, you need to stop socializing with them.
Or like a virus you can become infected.
The less I go to this site the happier I am. There isn't much here that I don't know.

 

[zekko]

But isnt all divorces a type of bait and switch on principle?

Any divorce by definition is a bait and switch. Because the vow is until death do you part, not "I don't like the house we're living in so I'm getting out". And in the vast majority of cases, women are the ones who break the contract. So yeah, it's a bad risk, especially in today's society where there is no stigma attached to getting divorced, there are only incentives.

The only certainly is change. If you're married long enough, the person you're married to WILL change, it's just a question of in what way?