Interesting video about dating market/men's mental health

[sangheilios]

This video popped up in my youtube feed this morning and I found it to be quite interesting. Much of what he said in the video are thoughts, feelings and words that I have expressed recently about having such a difficult time in the field with women. Literally "I don't get it, I have xyz going for me but yet get no positive results from women". He broke down much of what many of us are aware of but the fact that it's important to not allow this to ruin your self esteem.

 

[corrector]

You have no positive results from women though?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

This video popped up in my youtube feed this morning and I found it to be quite interesting. Much of what he said in the video are thoughts, feelings and words that I have expressed recently about having such a difficult time in the field with women. Literally "I don't get it, I have xyz going for me but yet get no positive results from women". He broke down much of what many of us are aware of but the fact that it's important to not allow this to ruin your self esteem.

XYZ cant be a good job, "stuff together", money, etc. Thats not what attraction and arousal are all about.

 

[Who Dares Win]

So basically they want a socially confident man despite the fact that most men nowadays hardly get positive feedbacks in social situation?

At the same time ofc those who fake confidence deserve contempt....

Its the same logic of women who want a man to be richer than them but also want to earn as much as men.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Its because as you said it's a eugenics program that would make Himmler blush. They are looking for genes and natural results, not self improvement and effort.

There are actually some men that have adopted this worldview, they think delivering a one liner at a bar is "manipulative" and you're "tricking" a woman by "pretending to be confident." Crazy. Completely adopted the female imperative as if that is the whole story.

I checked many other videos connected to that one plus many more from women giving suggestions to guy about what works and what doesnt and in EACH OF THOSE there are hundreds of guys preeching MGTOW and scoring likes.

The discomfort of the average man is real, check it out yourself and see the degree.

 

[AttackFormation]

That first minute or so says it all about the female opinion on male self improvement. They believe self-improvement is a trick to hide genetics.

 

[user43770]

The average man is feeble in most social settings, yet he expects to get laid, none the less!

Teach that man to fish.

I don't even like coming to this website anymore, as I can surely expect to see some Debbie Downer stuff like this.

Your mindset has a lot to do with how you interact with the world, and if you're always viewing stuff that reinforces a negative mindset, well...

 

[Epic Days]

There was a profound experiment done. They used speed dating as the venue. In the first half, they used speed dating venues where, at the buzzer/bell, the men would move to the next woman for a five minute date. The women and men recorded their experiences.
The women became more choosier and highly selective and the men were attracted to many women. Interesting.

Then they reversed it. The women moved from man to man at the buzzer/bell. It was found that men became more choosier and highly selective and the women were attracted to many men.

The pursuer is in a very unsavory position. Male or female. The pursued became more selective, regardless of sex. Interesting. So the video sets men up to be the pursuer. Women love the chase, men do not. It’s unnatural for them. Men are single points of light and are the flame.

 

[user43770]

There was a profound experiment done. They used speed dating as the venue. In the first half, they used speed dating venues where, at the buzzer/bell, the men would move to the next woman for a five minute date. The women and men recorded their experiences.
The women became more choosier and highly selective and the men were attracted to many women. Interesting.

Then they reversed it. The women moved from man to man at the buzzer/bell. It was found that men became more choosier and highly selective and the women were attracted to many men.

The pursuer is in a very unsavory position. Male or female. The pursued became more selective, regardless of sex. Interesting. So the video sets men up to be the pursuer. Women love the chase, men do not. It’s unnatural for them. Men are single points of light and are the flame.

We're all just dancing monkeys. It's your birthright. To say otherwise is foolish.

 

[Who Dares Win]

There was a profound experiment done. They used speed dating as the venue. In the first half, they used speed dating venues where, at the buzzer/bell, the men would move to the next woman for a five minute date. The women and men recorded their experiences.
The women became more choosier and highly selective and the men were attracted to many women. Interesting.

Then they reversed it. The women moved from man to man at the buzzer/bell. It was found that men became more choosier and highly selective and the women were attracted to many men.

The pursuer is in a very unsavory position. Male or female. The pursued became more selective, regardless of sex. Interesting. So the video sets men up to be the pursuer. Women love the chase, men do not. It’s unnatural for them. Men are single points of light and are the flame.

I heard about that experiment too, the problem is that guys are the chaser at last until their early 30s and they wont become the chases untill their libido and tolerance to drama is so low that not even decent girls becomes an option.

Women on the other sides are pursued from decent men till their late 20s and only after their early 30s need to pursue themselves if they want a decent man however by that time they offer much less than before and men are much less interested probably not even to what they offered in their top form.

Also the problem is that there is limited % of men that litteraly chase each and any woman no matter what, those guys are the ones you see on youtube vides hitting and complimenting a girl who just said she got sick or almost died in a car crash.

They are like the illegals who make a job for half than minimum salary basically screwing up the market for everyone.

So unless WWIII happens tonigh and half of the men die, I find it very hard to reverse the who chase who dynamics any soon altought it would be cool for guys in the theirs 20s.

Personally in my mid 30s I surely dont need women chasing me, I begun to appreciate the peace and Im more than fine with a one night stand twice a month.

 

[AttackFormation]

We're all just dancing monkeys. It's your birthright. To say otherwise is foolish.

Check this out. Look at his defeated look and heavy breath at 3:51 onward and tell me you don't feel for him. I laughed for what must have been a minute when I saw that. Males are the evolutionary chaff clowns of biology.

I don't wanna be evolution's puppet clown. I don't wanna play any games anymore. My advice is catered to men who feel the same but don't know it yet. This state is really freeing... you were always told to "just be yourself" and there was a grain of truth in that.

 

[Epic Days]

We're all just dancing monkeys. It's your birthright. To say otherwise is foolish.

I’m not a bird. Nor a lizard. You’re barking up the wrong tree. INCELs don’t get to dictate what a man is.

 

[Epic Days]

I heard about that experiment too, the problem is that guys are the chaser at last until their early 30s and they wont become the chases untill their libido and tolerance to drama is so low that not even decent girls becomes an option.

Women on the other sides are pursued from decent men till their late 20s and only after their early 30s need to pursue themselves if they want a decent man however by that time they offer much less than before and men are much less interested probably not even to what they offered in their top form.

Also the problem is that there is limited % of men that litteraly chase each and any woman no matter what, those guys are the ones you see on youtube vides hitting and complimenting a girl who just said she got sick or almost died in a car crash.

They are like the illegals who make a job for half than minimum salary basically screwing up the market for everyone.

So unless WWIII happens tonigh and half of the men die, I find it very hard to reverse the who chase who dynamics any soon altought it would be cool for guys in the theirs 20s.

Personally in my mid 30s I surely dont need women chasing me, I begun to appreciate the peace and Im more than fine with a one night stand twice a month.

The only problem with the experiment is that men think it doesn’t apply to them or that they are special cases. It’s a bold face, right up front, leave no doubts experiment.

A woman talking to you out of the blue IS chasing. Men are so fukking stupid. It’s quite embarrassing to listen to their excuses.

 

[MatureDJ]

Check this out. Look at his defeated look and heavy breath at 3:51 onward and tell me you don't feel for him. I laughed for what must have been a minute when I saw that. Males are the evolutionary chaff clowns of biology.

I don't wanna be evolution's puppet clown. I don't wanna play any games anymore. My advice is catered to men who feel the same but don't know it yet. This state is really freeing... you were always told to "just be yourself" and there was a grain of truth in that.

The poor bird got mogged.

 

[AttackFormation]

That first minute or so says it all about the female opinion on male self improvement. They believe self-improvement is a trick to hide genetics.

It hit me now that one of the reasons for them thinking it's a trick is not just mere contempt but also that they don't understand it, because they don't have to do it themselves. No one is asking women to improve their personalities, or even themselves, to have a shot at sex and affection. Nor to put in effort to approach and escalate.

It typically also hasn't occurred to them to think from mens' perspective, or when they do they only imagine it from apex male/Chad's perspective (this is how you get them writing articles about the "hookup culture" that men are supposedly driving).

You put these two things together and it makes sense how they might have a hard time taking selfimprovement seriously, or even understanding it.

 

[Poonani Maker]

So basically they want a socially confident man despite the fact that most men nowadays hardly get positive feedbacks in social situation?

At the same time ofc those who fake confidence deserve contempt....

Its the same logic of women who want a man to be richer than them but also want to earn as much as men.

I had a bank teller girl (Never smiles I'd say almost Angry when she sees me) on wednesday flash me a Really fake smile (she did it to show me that she was being fake on purpose). I mean, who does she think I am? that I cannot Read human behavior and understand her thoughts? It's minimum wage girl in a "classy" job but to pay such a person enough to not have such a sh!tty attitude is a crux within the company. So she disrespects Me because I don't ACT like you're Supposed to act and speak. Basically, I say whatever the fvck I want to say and whatever's on my mind. Think how Formal a banking environment is. I can be "formal" but not for long and my craziness just comes out eventually within minutes. I'll go down pathways they would consider bizarre or weird. So be it. Thus, from now on she will be Fake when she sees me. I don't givafvck. I make 6 times she does, oh but she's younger and in a "classy" field. It's pretty rare though. Most women will try to be real with me and give me a genuine smile no matter what I say and do. My value is looks and beta bucks. My status or social bases (four bases?) are not all that covered (and will probably never will be). I'm perfectly fine (and comfortable in my life) with looks and money, 2 of the 4 bases on the baseball diamond. Which one is home plate? I'd say Money. A triple is probably looks, so a double and basehit are status or social. Those are the foots in the door. I can summon social proclivity to assert myself in social situations best I know how, but to be IN IT 24/7 I cannot do, nor do I seek to do. The woman I'm trying to reel in had better be satisfied with a home in the country as I am NOT a city socialite.

 

[Epic Days]

In my social circles I would dismiss an attractive woman just for looking at me the wrong way, lol. But these same women would go to the bars/clubs and get hit on by 100 guys.

this is why I no longer hit on women. I know there is a guy in their life that already dismissed them for being intolerable on some level.

when you have a 360 degree perspective, you realize the only way to play the game is to reward women for making an effort to seduce you, and cancel them out of your reality for having the nerve to try and get you to pursue them instead.

what I’ve experienced is that females above the age of 24 begin to play power games. It’s that bar/club age where they develop a bigger ego because they know they know 90% of men are supplicating chumps.

women think this is power but it’s not. It’s fools gold. The only thing all that validation is going to do is make them entitled and block them from connecting with real guys on their wavelength.

and then she turns 30 and ends up living a life of regret because all the cool guys are gone.

Very good stuff. The end result is men who chase end up with the short straw.

 

[Epic Days]

the men who advocate being a seducer are just men that are insecure in their ability to have women chasing them. If god came down and gave you two choices, have infinite validation from women, or have 10/10 game, no guy in his right mind would choose to have the best game. I’d rather not even have to worry about game. Just live my life and be on my purpose and have women pursue me.

im not proud that I am a master at game, lol. It just means that I wasted the first half of my life on petty romance. I consider my knowledge of game to be the least interesting thing about me.

that’s a sign right there. The guy who climbed to the top of the mountain of game is yelling to all the other climbers to not climb but they don’t listen.

everyone wants to learn the hard way.

What I find interesting, and it’s a concept that I’ve learned to understand over time.

Men will do deliberate actions thinking that they are “cause”, causing things to happen. There is the inverse to this. The sign of serious competence.

“cause from a distance”. He doesn’t have to actually act in order to cause action from others or another. Leaders understand this. The leader’s state causes action.

Here is a loose example that many men are conscious of...
They come home and the woman has an air of unhappiness or displeasure. She doesn’t say anything to evoke action yet the man feels it and gets busy trying to do things to make her happy. Right out of thin air.

One could potentially call this emotional abuse. It’s very destructive. Once a man starts down the path of needing praise or approval, he is dead meat.

She has executed “cause from a distance”. If you look closely, you will be able to see her slight smile in many cases.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I had a bank teller girl (Never smiles I'd say almost Angry when she sees me) on wednesday flash me a Really fake smile (she did it to show me that she was being fake on purpose). I mean, who does she think I am? that I cannot Read human behavior and understand her thoughts? It's minimum wage girl in a "classy" job but to pay such a person enough to not have such a sh!tty attitude is a crux within the company. So she disrespects Me because I don't ACT like you're Supposed to act and speak. Basically, I say whatever the fvck I want to say and whatever's on my mind. Think how Formal a banking environment is. I can be "formal" but not for long and my craziness just comes out eventually within minutes. I'll go down pathways they would consider bizarre or weird. So be it. Thus, from now on she will be Fake when she sees me. I don't givafvck. I make 6 times she does, oh but she's younger and in a "classy" field. It's pretty rare though. Most women will try to be real with me and give me a genuine smile no matter what I say and do. My value is looks and beta bucks. My status or social bases (four bases?) are not all that covered (and will probably never will be). I'm perfectly fine (and comfortable in my life) with looks and money, 2 of the 4 bases on the baseball diamond. Which one is home plate? I'd say Money. A triple is probably looks, so a double and basehit are status or social. Those are the foots in the door. I can summon social proclivity to assert myself in social situations best I know how, but to be IN IT 24/7 I cannot do, nor do I seek to do. The woman I'm trying to reel in had better be satisfied with a home in the country as I am NOT a city socialite.

Not reading a wall of text about some personal anecdote sorry, either make your coms more efficient or post on cosmopolican forum.

 

[3agle 3yes]

Some people just don't get it.

One of the main reasons why a guy might have things going for him apart from women is because communicating with women is different from "everyday" communication.

When I read comments about women in this forum or hear men talk about women generally, it's as if they treat interacting with women like being in a job interview. They must be on their best behaviour and say all these things to please them and "get hired".

You can't even talk to women on neutral ground either. She might initally see you as a pansy without any eveidence, so you have to screen her and qualify her immediately, with the potential of "rejecting" her.

Too many men give women a free pass and accept them before a word is spoken, just becuase they're 'hot'.

All men should screen and qualify women. Think of it from a woman's perspective, if a man is trying his best to impress her and the man doesn't even know what she's like as a person, of course she's going to lose respect for him. What has she done to earn this man's (or any man's) affection? We as humans have an inclination to not value the things that come to us easily (think of rich kids).

To "flirt" means it can go either way. When someone "flirts" with an idea, it means they can accept it or reject it. Most men don't have the balls to reject a woman. But if you communicate with a woman knowing you can reject her, you'll talk differently. You'll talk like you're the employer in a job interview, not the interviewee.

Most women aren't looking for sex, they're looking for a man who will make them feel good (women are more neurotic than men).

Stop giving women unearned value and make them earn it. She's just another woman until she proves otherwise, if you treat women like this (and they know it) they will behave differently towards you.