How Do We Get Our Leverage Back?

[oldmanofthesea]

Depends on their value. If I like her a lot then I validate her a LOT.

Validation is an indicator of interest. So if you validate a lot, you are communicating high interest on your part, yes? Has that always worked out for you or have you been burned by it before?

 

[Poonani Maker]

Technology and feminism have been a huge one-two whammy working against men and our dating lives. I've never taken an interest in Roosh's work before. I assumed he was just an overseas sex tourist. However, I find that I strongly agree with a couple of articles he's written (probably because the facts are so self evident).

https://www.rooshv.com/women-use-social-networking-to-feel-loved

When the iPhone started gaining popularity, I wrote about how it makes women less capable of love. It puts them on such a thrilling roller coaster ride of attention and fleeting validation that the love of one man becomes just too boring.

It's valid. This is exactly what's happening. Even though I'm a good looking guy, the girl I dated before (a solid hb7) was totally smitten not with any one man but with the waves of attention she received from boatloads of mediocre men.

https://www.rooshv.com/women-are-experts-at-wasting-mens-time

I spent 30 minutes on a girl who had no sexual interest in me, but who didn’t mind having an ultimately meaningless conversation because at that moment I was more exciting than her smartphone or friends. In other words, I was just another TV channel, another app, another web site, another radio station, another dancing **** that made her life slightly more interesting and tolerable than what she is capable of doing herself. She used me to temporarily forget about her boring existence.

This analysis is spot-on observations and aligns almost exactly with the two faux daters I identified in a different thread.

So what are we doing to get our leverage back? How do we level the playing field?

I've bought and have started Roosh's latest books. He's pretty negative in the beginning, but after the 1st chapter laying the groundwork of our negative environment, he gets into what has worked for him (and various others) in "Game" everything from grooming to 8 beliefs you must have installed/instilled into your mind before you go out (internal game). I'm a reader and having seen Roosh appearances on youtube, including his own livestreams, I decided to support him for the attacks he's undergone (mainly in Toronto) since 2016 where the "mainstream media" as pushed that he is some kind of "rapist." Would never support Neil Strauss phony "game," but will support Roosh real game. Roosh is unmarried/childless at 39 despite 1000s of approaches for almost 2 decades. I support anyone who calls a spade a spade. I read a lot more difficult reading material in conjunction with Roosh's writing which can be read faster. Same goes with pretty much any modern writer, the reading material flows much faster because it's how we speak today (easier). Most of my other books are pre1960s written and thus harder to read (Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer" being a work that you have to pause and retrace what you've read to let it enter your mind correctly). I prefer harder reading, but Roosh gives good content and if you've watched his livestreams then you're getting pretty much the same thoughts on dating/women/the current situation/female nature, but in verbal form.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Its actually simple. Only talk to women who will go out with you. I don’t **** with phone, texting, or social media. You have to ruthlessly cut women who don’t play by your rules.

 

[soulforge]

I rarely give these cvnts validation.. Occasionally, Yeh you look good in that, but that's on a rare occasion.

I don't remember the last time I told a girl she looks beautiful.

However I will ALWAYS tell her she sucks great C0ck.

 

[RickTheToad]

However I will ALWAYS tell her she sucks great C0ck.

Messed up dude. Stop validating. You should had said, not bad, but we need some more practice.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Messed up dude. Stop validating. You should had said, not bad, but we need some more practice.

I think hes pumping her head up on purpose. So shell do better.

 

[RickTheToad]

I think hes pumping her head up on purpose. So shell do better.

The opposite can also happen. She knows he likes it a lot, so she can cut back on the BJs. A lady did that to me once, I gave her a magical gift. I disappeared.

 

[RickTheToad]

Instead of just going for 9's and 10's like most guys would tell you (so that average women would stop acting entitled), I only go for 90% + interest level. Like I would rather bang a 7 with 90% interest than a 9 with 60% interest. It is a better strategy to even out the playing field. Even if she is a 10, if she doesn't show me 90% interest, I don't engage. If more guys employed this strategy, women would put in more effort. There would be an equal energy exchange and the game would tilt. You wouldn't feel like you are walking on eggshells all the damn time.

Effective game is rewarding women after she has made an effort, NOT rewarding women just because she is hot. She has to be invested. You do this for your own self respect.

Whatever a woman wants from me, she has to give in return. If she wants a drink, she has to give me a backrub. If she wants me to approach, she has to make eye contact and smile at me as if the sun was shining on me. No exceptions. I'm not going to read her mind. I'm not going to penetrate her b1tch shield or try and figure out her poker face. If she isn't fully engaged and trying to seduce me with her feminine charms, then she gets zero attention and validation from me. She gets to live in her own delusions and I get to be oblivious and drama free.

During the interaction I will try to get compliance from her. I will touch her. And pull her close. Make out with her. If she shows any sign that she isn't sexually attracted to me and is only using me for validation, I drop her. No "excuse me I have to go to the bathroom." I'm a man, not a woman. I don't need to be sneaky when rejecting someone. I just get up and leave. She wasted my time. She does not deserve any closure.

The best part of 90%+ interest level game is that if you truly do have a woman who is that interested, it becomes nearly impossible to lose her in the night clubs. There is no such thing as a guy that she is going to be interested in 100%. You don't have to worry about him. If another 90% guy shows up, she is not going to make a lateral move. The risk isn't worth it. She is already invested in you and the other guy might have a GF.

However, if the interest level is at let's say 80%, then you better get her out of there (If you so choose to play the game with 80% interest. I wouldn't advise it tho). Because the 90% guy WILL show up. He always shows up. Sometimes at the very last minute to steal your girl. And all he has to do is say a few clever lines and she'll think he is the funniest guy in the world! That's what 90% interest looks like after all.

Another thing about 90%+ interest level game is that you are less likely to experience her going hot and cold when you are not around. She is not going to stop texting you suddenly or suddenly disagree with all of your plans. She is afraid to lose your validation. Even if she goes out and meets another 90% guy, she would juggle the two guys like an expert, carefully trying not to offend their egos. She's hedging her bets (all women do). Women DO NOT choose between one 90% guy and another 90% guy. They juggle them both. Women spin plates better than most guys do. They always have a backup plan in case the starting pitcher starts to act up.

But when you have less than 90% interest, expect inconsistent behavior, emotional distance, and every other problem that you've read about on this forum.

In a way, this is like Anti-Dump's method, but the in-game version. I use the high interest-level principle in every facet of seduction. From escalating, to conversating, to sex. She can show me all the fake validation she wants. She can butter up my ego to try and make me one of her orbiters. But as soon as I close the distance, place my hand on her ass, and look at her as if I am about to kiss her, I know where she truly stands. And if I sense any level of disgust, I'm tossing her to the curb like a used condom.

The best part about this principle is that you will never end up with a woman who isn't interested. You get to live drama free and don't have to deal with 90% of the problems you read about on this site. Your dignity and self respect also remains in tact. And when you do meet a 90% interest level woman, you won't be jaded, suspicious, or broken because you've given your power away too many times. You'd be experiencing romance like a 14 year old baby full of optimism.

The frame is simple. Instead thinking to yourself "How can I validate her?", reverse your frame and think "How can I de-validate this chick?" There's gotta be something. There's ALWAYS something."

Interesting ideals. Might work with some, but even the average looking ladies are getting ego's the size of Donald Trump's..

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Interesting ideals. Might work with some, but even the average looking ladies are getting ego's the size of Donald Trump's..

Female trumps. Lie even when they dont need to. Navigatiing their shyt rivers of entitlement, double standards and rug sweeps.

 

[RickTheToad]

Female trumps. Lie even when they dont need to. Navigatiing their shyt rivers of entitlement, double standards and rug sweeps.

Hate it when they have a rug down there. So 20th century.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Hate it when they have a rug down there. So 20th century.

Rug sweeps as in lieing and cheating and their friends act like nothing happened. Or they did som3 bullshyt and act like it wasnt them.

 

[RickTheToad]

Rug sweeps as in lieing and cheating and their friends act like nothing happened. Or they did som3 bullshyt and act like it wasnt them.

I know. I was trying to make a joke.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I know. I was trying to make a joke.

Yea one of those "shag" bushes. Some ladies have very good hair quality so i like a manucured patch to display that.

 

[BeTheChange]

Attention is chick crack. Its female currency. Never give it.

If a woman is hot and cold, esculate. Always keep texts, nudes, emails, etc archive sex vids. You can never be too safe. A fraudin blasty Ford can find you in 4 decades.

The answer to your question is TIME.

Allocate time wisely. Chain gun cold approach. Swipe right at life. Spin plates.

Don't put eggs in one basket. Its about the spread.

I don't know the exact date but, its about a decade of pickup +/- between life, death, school, career, biz, relations, etc. This is red pill on steroids. Its being forged in the fire. Say 2009-2019; who i was then and now is unrecognised since I have gone essentially super sayain.

I am daft. I am a putz. I am a strike out king but no hesitation i always shoot. On my death bed, hitting on more baeeeees won't be a afterthought. Yes, if i had to do over, I could try a thing or two but i have no regrets.

Leverage what you are great at. Allocate being world class at that skill set. Yes, get girls but condition self to think VOLUME > quality. The only go for quality rubbish is that mating call of the loser. Its low testosterone betas argument for not manning up.

Tyler's freedom from outcome + intent is money.

Julien get better not bitter is gold.

Priorities > women. I would have got into entrepreneurship sooner. Suggestion to young blood, start biz or side hustles, freelance, etc. Lead generation and acquisition of prospects is applicable to game. My background in sales has definitely helped me, my social skills, and ability to close.

Men are seeking a magic bullet, thing to say or do. I can promise you that it doesn't exist. I can say, if you let go, surrender to thr processes, put work in, and go through the fire, you wont be worried about leveraging or feminism.

There's a inversion going on. Feminists, girl power, women cratered SMV, etc is not without consequences. Atm men are at liberty to pull absurd amounts of women without commitment and women deem it as empowering. Its hilarious.


Lastly, decompress. Do TM, meditation, yoga, gym, pray, church, etc whatever you can to reset to baseline. Red pill rage is a by product of cognitive dissonance. The fabric of your world's view being obliterated. This is traumatic and a lot of men are struggling.

The rite of passage no longer exists. I lift. I train in the equivalent of the hyperbolic time chamber like dbz. I trip. I smoke dmt. I enjoy ayahuasca. I explore consciousness and self knowledge. The aim is self actualization. That's the purpose that my life's worthy of pursuit.

Leverage that which is worthy of going out on your shield.

What would make the hero's journey worth the price of admission?

Start here but with the end in mind.

Cheers mate.

This is actually a very good post. Would suggest others to really read what is being said here and embrace the philosophy.

Be more, care less. This is the only way to achieve that state.

 

[corrector]

Roosh's suggestion is to spend at least 15 hours a week on cold approach for maybe half an hour of sex "once in a while." I suppose this is in addition to the 10 hours a week the average man spends on phone dating apps. 30 hours a week for half an hour return once or twice a month. Hmmmm....

You can't find that many woman (i.e. single, available, age-range) to even approach and you could end up with allot of dead time (i.e. the time spend with the intention of approaching but not actually approaching and wandering around to find someone to approach, talking to women that are taken, out of your age range, or have kids, etc...). You would think maybe a cold-calling program would work better, that would call a bunch of numbers from a phone book and see if you can connect with a single woman that way, and count all female contacts over the phone as an approach. Then that way you eliminate the dead-time.

with our strong desire for sex, we have to grind it out and spend hours to entertain many women in order to experience 30 minutes of sexual pleasure with one. My advice to you is to not have such a busy lifestyle where you can’t occasionally spend a couple hours a day hunting for women. Don’t be so tired at the end of the day that you can’t do a handful of approaches or go on a long date. This is what’s necessary these days for men just to get laid every once in a while.

Reading that last part made it seem like getting laid is another part time job on top of your existing lifestyle. Well… in the west, it looks like that’s what its coming to.

But isn't it just cheaper to spend $ 60 - $ 100 and just get an escort if that's the end-game. Not supporting this, but it sounds very calculating to say X amount of hours for 30 minutes of sex.

 

[Poonani Maker]

OK I read further along in roosh’s book game tonight And I must say it’s intelligent. It gets you’re thinking meat moving. There’s quite a few gold nuggets in there, distinctions (sign of intelligence) that will set you apart having been exposed to them. I found myself reflecting on past women referencing experiences in my mind. He talks about clown game and provider game to help you understand WHY you must be a clown with all women of the west and their taking there clown masks off after arbitrarily becoming financially independent and placing that mask on you. They work in their boring jobs/cubicles and only want fun and excitement when away from work not another boring provider existence at home. It’s flipped.