I really hope Trump would score even more today

[Ranger]

I see a lot of supposedly masculine/conservative members promoting collectivist ideas around here. All governments, even the most conservative, take and redistribute wealth for collectivist purposes. That would include building a wall, maintaining a military force, paving roads, imposing tariffs (taxes), etc. People just like to pick and choose the services that work for them and then get emotionally invested in what government should and shouldn't be paying for.

They do support collectivist ideas. A smaller amount than most forums.
This would then also fall into what kind of man he is. If he’s overly emotional by nature he will move to the left. If he’s less that type, he will move to the right.
It makes total sense that actors flock to the left. They are feelers and emotionally driven people.
There is also an anomaly that union men are in. That in itself is another thread in another forum.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Women as a group are always going to be to the left of men, so it makes sense that a site for guys who can't get girls will be extremely to the right.

 

[Ranger]

Apex is irrelevant of Left, Center or Right.
.

This statement just by itself would be correct. Apex doesn’t care and would use any, all or neither. But would never give homage to any.
He doesn’t have to pay homage to any side because he is a “side”.
Trump just used the right because it was closer to his natural Apex state. A third party in this country has zero chance of winning anything.

 

[Ranger]

Women as a group are always going to be to the left of men, so it makes sense that a site for guys who can't get girls will be extremely to the right.

There is way more to it than that. There are millions of men who can’t get women. There aren’t even close to that number on male forums.
They know something is wrong but they are a cut above because they have awareness. Otherwise they would have just accepted the fate the imperative issued out to them.

 

[Ranger]

If Apex is irrelevant of Left, Right, or Center....

Then how can being Left, Right, or Center mean "serving a master"?

An Apex or group of Apex’s has defined the left, right, or center.
Ever notice how the left defined the right as religious wackiness? It stuck. Media backed, how could it not?
Notice how hard the left is fighting the socialist/communist definition? They want you to use progressive. Lol. Even someone from Sweden is helping to fight it here.

So who has defined you? Do you need a definition to jump onto to define yourself in this realm?
People need definitions and symbology to define them to feel secure. Or define at least, what they believe.

Needing these things IS a herd mentality. Do you see it now?

 

[EyeBRollin]

1. What consipracies do I support?

Where is your evidence that Trump caging children didn't happen?

2. I insinuate innocent until proven guilty. So where is your evidence proving guilt?

Debates are held in the court of public opinion. This is not a legal debate.

3. That "strawman" is your approach to determing guilt or innocent. You literally believe you can accuse someone of something and it is up to them to disprove it or they are guilty.

Nope, it's a response to your bull**** statements. Two can play that game.

Republicans like you endorse murdering blacks and Jews in their place of worship.

4. Both sides of the political realm supported it. Now that I have proven you wrong you are trying to limit the argument. Imagine that.

You and your hating of evidence, logic, debate and critical thinking is what puts you in the same category as the other unthinking NPC's.

Not unlike the magical Apex Ultron Mega Predator theory!!!

Logic requires critical thinking skills. All you do you is rant and ask for others to disprove your conspiracy theories.

 

[Ranger]

Is there not a gross assumption here that when someone has a position, that EVERYTHING about them is suddenly defined?

Have not You and Spaz both now assumed that because I hold a particular position on the Right that I am also fully Right? And have you not assumed that I my positio is based on what they told me and not on my own thought process and values?

Do herds use thought? Or do they just follow?

So when one runs away from thought, are they not part of the herd?

Do YOU see yet?

I’m not assuming anything Danger. Not one single thing. I don’t care one way or another. It’s just a conversation about mind sets. I am far from being your enemy. In fact there’s quite a bit we see eye to eye about.
I am ex- military and come from a military family. My entire up bringing was about self reliance. I would rather be dead than become an entitled victim.

 

[EyeBRollin]

They do support collectivist ideas. A smaller amount than most forums.
This would then also fall into what kind of man he is. If he’s overly emotional by nature he will move to the left. If he’s less that type, he will move to the right.
It makes total sense that actors flock to the left. They are feelers and emotionally driven people.
There is also an anomaly that union men are in. That in itself is another thread in another forum.

Finally an intellectual discussion worth having.

A man can value collectivist ideas founded in helping the vulnerable. It's not all about being the apex. There are a significant amount of billionaires, athletes, actors, and other "high value" men that lean left because they agree with the ideals. Would you agree society is better now with people helping each other instead of just killing each other?

 

[Ranger]

Republicans like you endorse murdering blacks and Jews in their place of worship.
.

Lol this is really stupid. Surely this was said in jest.

There are conspiracies. Banks. Financial institutions.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Lol this is really stupid. Surely this was said in jest.

It's just an example of an outrageous strawman fallacy.

 

[Ranger]

Finally an intellectual discussion worth having.

A man can value collectivist ideas founded in helping the vulnerable. Would you agree society is better now with people helping each other instead of just killing each other?

This Contains points that have the wrong premise. The fact is that all the trillions of dollars of help...hasn’t helped. So to start it of as “help” is intellectually and statistically dishonest.
Things are worse...isn’t that what the media says?

To help someone that has gone into agreement that they are a victim actually perpetuates being a victim. You actually seal their fate. This is why feelers should never be in charge of anything. Poverty does not exist in America. Americans have fat a$$es. I’ve seen poverty in the real world. If you have a phone, you’re not impoverished.
Destruction in the name of “help” is rather sinister in itself. If you don’t help them find purpose you only lessen others ability to survive by stealing their money to seal a victims fate and thus it’s circular.

I never manage by feelings. I mange by accurate statistics. Do-gooders are actually about themselves. It’s about them.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Thanks for more enlightened debate. There's some half truths to unpack.

This Contains points that have the wrong premise. The fact is that all the trillions of dollars of help...hasn’t helped. So to start it of as “help” is intellectually and statistically dishonest.

Social insurance programs such as social security have indeed reduced poverty. Modern medicine has decades worth of public investment that have increased life expediencies to decades longer than just a century ago. To say that collective social programs and funding hasn't helped is just completely false.

Things are worse...isn’t that what the media says?

No, the media doesn't give an opinion on the "state" of society as compared to the past. It merely reports stories with the highest amounts of sensationalism. Sensationalism is more profitable than honest reporting.

To help someone that has gone into agreement that they are a victim actually perpetuates being a victim.

This is a strawman argument. Victimhood and poverty have nothing to do with each other. People receiving assistance don't sign some contract declaring themselves victims.

You actually seal their fate. This is why feelers should never be in charge of anything. Poverty does not exist in America. Americans have fat a$$es. I’ve seen poverty in the real world. If you have a phone, you’re not impoverished.

This is just plain wrong. Poverty is lack of money / access to sufficient resources. America has too much poverty for its amount of wealth.

Destruction in the name of “help” is rather sinister in itself. If you don’t help them find purpose you only lessen others ability to survive by stealing their money to seal a victims fate and thus it’s circular.

I never manage by feelings. I mange by accurate statistics. Do-gooders are actually about themselves. It’s about them.

Feelings are irrelevant. Social planning is an exercise in morality. Competing ideology either chooses to help the most vulnerable (the "left") or that the most vulnerable don't deserve help (the "right"). You obviously fall in the latter camp. I'm in the former. Neither tent determines if one is apex or not.

 

[Ranger]

Thanks for more enlightened debate. There's some half truths to unpack.



Social insurance programs such as social security have indeed reduced poverty. Modern medicine has decades worth of public investment that have increased life expediencies to decades longer than just a century ago. To say that collective social programs and funding hasn't helped is just completely false.



No, the media doesn't give an opinion on the "state" of society as compared to the past. It merely reports stories with the highest amounts of sensationalism. Sensationalism is more profitable than honest reporting.



This is a strawman argument. Victimhood and poverty have nothing to do with each other. People receiving assistance don't sign some contract declaring themselves victims.



This is just plain wrong. Poverty is lack of money / access to sufficient resources. America has too much poverty for its amount of wealth.



Feelings are irrelevant. Social planning is an exercise in morality. Competing ideology either chooses to help the most vulnerable (the "left") or that the most vulnerable don't deserve help (the "right"). You obviously fall in the latter camp. I'm in the former. Neither tent determines if one is apex or not.

We disagree.

 

[EyeBRollin]

1. I am accusing you if raping babies....now prove you do not do it.

Make whatever accusation you'd like. This is a court of public opinion.

2. It does not need to be a legal debate. To prove a negative is impossible, therefore the negative is assumed. That is called logic.

4. Again I ask, what conspiracies?

Nope. You implied that Trump caging children didn't happen. Cite your evidence.

3. Yes, wanting evidence is bull$hit. LOL!

You made the insinuation that Trump's child separation policy is not real. Back it up.

 

[EyeBRollin]

We disagree.

You made the claims that people are victims, poverty isn't isn't real, and help is bad. Do you feel that society should or shouldn't help the vulnerable?

 

[Ranger]

I am not calling you an enemy Ranger.

I am merely point out the conflict in what Spaz is saying and helping you to see it.

One cannot presume someone is a sheep merely because they hold a particular belief shared by one side of the political spectrum.

And when one refuses to show a logical train of thought, with data to back it up, probabilities are that THEY are indeed the sheep.

I am only merely observing. I can pretty much think whatever I want. I am not presuming.
I am seeing where people’s value to the world is. We need our artists. We need our drag racers. We need our builders. Politics contributes nothing to this. Except limitations.
I’m for removing limitations. I don’t have a dog in this hunt. I already learned what I needed to, for me, in this thread.
What do you want to be Apex in your life about?

 

[Ranger]

You made the claims that people are victims, poverty isn't isn't real, and help is bad. Do you feel that society should or shouldn't help the vulnerable?

No. You said those things. LMAO
Oh brother. The weirdness of a liberal is always an interesting drill in futility.

 

[EyeBRollin]

1. Since you can't prove it then you must be a baby raper, by your ridiculous logic anyways.

You can make whatever stupid statements you'd like.

2. I implied guilt does not happen without evidence. So yes, he is innocent until evidence proves otherwise. If you don't like that, go cry to some leftist dictator.

Caging children is official Trump administration policy. You are fixated on guilt vs. innocence. The policy is being enacted whether you think he's guilty or not.

3. I said nothing about a child separation policy. This is a nice new strawman from you.

Evidence of the caging please?

Total Bullsh*t.

 

[EyeBRollin]

No. You said those things. LMAO

you didn't say those things?

To help someone that has gone into agreement that they are a victim actually perpetuates being a victim.

Poverty does not exist in America.

Destruction in the name of “help” is rather sinister in itself. If you don’t help them find purpose you only lessen others ability to survive by stealing their money to seal a victims fate and thus it’s circular.

Are you going to stick to your lie or clarify these?

Oh brother. The weirdness of a liberal is always an interesting drill in futility.

Ad hominem - attacking your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Caging children is official policy?

Really? Where?

Show me.

Are you pleading ignorance again? Give it a rest. You lost. Conspiracy theories are for losers.