Feeling like giving up with women

[sangheilios]

^This.

Same old story I’ve heard before. The criminal bad boy is fine as he is to women. The good, responsible guy needs to “improve” or “create more drama/excitement” AND wait six dates. Then he can get friendzoned because of lack of “chemistry.”

Not to derail this thread, but I remember having a conversation with a woman who didn't get why a guy who did not drink or do drugs would be better bf material. I don't think most adult women are like this, but I have seen it. This type of mindset about bad boys and responsible/genuine guys seems to be pretty common with teenage girls and maybe those in their early 20s, but beyond that lol. Every woman I've known of who was like this was always a complete piece of trash.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

If your a wim

if the guy you listed above is a wimp then no matter what women will be repulsed. You think

if the first guy is a nice guy and a wimp and does those things to impress or prove himself to others then yes he is in the wrong. If he is not, then he is not and idk why he is living there. Girls go for thugs because they usually dgaf about anyone and do whatever they want. Don’t know why you want to emulate that but I hope you get my point.

Dude is obsessed with his workout and does thai-boxing for 8 years. He was a collegiate wrestler. He lives there cause his ex gold dug him and got child support and alimony getting 60% of his earnings.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Over the past few months I think I've become totally burnt out with women due to all these annoying experiences I seem to keep having, which seem to be ruining my confidence. I've been meeting girls that seemed totally into me, long awesome first conversations after approaching, with them re initiating and pursuing topics with me. Anyway, they would then go out of their way to ask me out but only to just flake and disappear completely randomly. Had another experience where I held the door for this girl who locks eyes with me, smiles and says thank you which resulted in a ten minute conversation. I then proceed to ask her for her number which is when she says "I have a boyfriend" lol. I had been ghosted two times in a row earlier in the summer, one after an incredible first date where the girl took it upon herself to kiss me after a mini golfing date and the second time at the gym with a girl who asked me out to go for a walk/hike with her later that evening.

I don't even want to try anymore. I had been going out and either just didn't feel like approaching any women at all. However, the ones that I did were just horrible approaches relative to what I had been like earlier in the summer, just no energy during the conversations and overly stuck in my mind.

Well, you can accept incel status or you could get your testosterone checked. Sounds like an issue.


You need to get a fcuking life. Women are practice. You can get laid and not spend every sec a prisoner of your biology.

You're burned out.



Meditate Brah. Go out with the intention of Fun. A trip to the gym or grocery shopping, cultivate being "that guy." As in, minimum three approaches. Hit on said chick at cash, gym, during errands.

Running around with a fake wig and mustache chasing *** dusters and train wrecks is begging for a nightmare outcome.



At 30, I run Into women from the past. Today, in 2018, they are single mom's, fat as ****kkk slobs, *****s, and cannot get the ring. The sweetest feeler is having acquired top form SMV and running into the abysmal train wrecks of the past.

Rsd Tyler beats meditation to death. Weird dude. Clever. You need to reset. I smoke dmt. I trip. I get jaded as ****kkk. I dislike a lot of women (feminists, cheaters, cucks hubby, *****s, SJWs, victim Hood, fatties, etc).

I read Way of the peaceful warrior by Dan millman. The book describes meditation as surrender to what is and let go. Focus on presence. You likely need a break but you have no focus beyond women. I go lift. I get deezed. I focus on biz, on entrepreneurs master mind groups, I have a life outside getting baeeeees which is purely sport.



Women are chaotic by nature and their being is essentially on discontentment as well as destruction. Every set is practice. Top form SMV 18-23 is target. Anything but is Netflix and chill material. Not worthy of any other means but release from a dry spell.



Act accordingly.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

It sounds like you're trying far too hard and coming off desperate. I hold the door for women all the time, I don't try to use it as an opener to get a date. It's just holding a door.

One way to get women completely disinterested is to be a "nice guy", i.e. the sort of guy who holds a door and thinks that's a good opening to start asking her out because he's so generous.

Also long conversations at the start are not a good thing. You should be keeping the conversation short and exciting. The longer the conversation the more likely she's going to get bored with it.

Finally, dating has a large random component and first dates generally mean nothing. A first date you think is "incredible" she may not give a single sh*t about, even if she kissed you. It means nothing.

I know that sounds harsh, but you're putting far much stock in tiny things. Just chill out and have fun, if they ghost you who gives a f*ck? And if you're not enjoying dating, have a break from it for a few months.

Op needs to man up and kick dumpty off her pedestal. Pay her no mind. Spam cold approach. Dtf or next

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Op needs to man up and kick dumpty off her pedestal. Pay her no mind. Spam cold approach. Dtf or next

Pay her no mind for how long?

 

[corrector]

Do you find anything helpful on here so far? It's all, women are emotional and they are as loyal as their options, maybe they met a Chad or their ex came back on the scene, make a life for yourself so you are not too outcome dependent. I'm thinking you probably already knew all of that.

The real question is down to what you are saying, that you wish you never bothered in the first place because you feel drained at the end of the day and need to take a break or stop for a while. I suggest you should get a wing-man that's successful with women and pick-up girls together with him rather than doing this solo and try to look at the fun in just approaching and picking-up girls rather than getting too involved with any particular girl.

 

[sangheilios]

Do you find anything helpful on here so far? It's all, women are emotional and they are as loyal as their options, maybe they met a Chad or their ex came back on the scene, make a life for yourself so you are not too outcome dependent. I'm thinking you probably already knew all of that.

The real question is down to what you are saying, that you wish you never bothered in the first place because you feel drained at the end of the day and need to take a break or stop for a while. I suggest you should get a wing-man that's successful with women and pick-up girls together with him rather than doing this solo and try to look at the fun in just approaching and picking-up girls rather than getting too involved with any particular girl.

I'm aware that there could be a million reasons why the outcome never goes as expected, to me it's just annoying that it's become a pattern. Think about it, you get into a situation where you feel awesome because everything went so perfectly well and yet out of the blue it disappears, that's a way worse feeling than if it never worked at all. It's kind of hard to explain but I'm sure you get why that becomes very frustrating, particularly when it happens again and again.

I do have a guy friend who is very helpful with this, problem is that he isn't able to go out all that often with me. Also, most women that go to places like that I'm not even all that attracted to or have much in common with. I have friends that I hang out with, hobbies, etc. so it's not like I do nothing with my life and fixated on this, also this forum is dedicated towards men interested in women, dating and relationships. I'm honestly concerned about this continuing endlessly because I realize that all the good ones are taken and know that I deserve better than an overweight/unattractive woman who does nothing with her life, or some single mother with some illegitimate kid(s).

I'm 6'4", workout a lot, educated, attractive white guy and I know I should be doing much better.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I'm aware that there could be a million reasons why the outcome never goes as expected, to me it's just annoying that it's become a pattern. Think about it, you get into a situation where you feel awesome because everything went so perfectly well and yet out of the blue it disappears, that's a way worse feeling than if it never worked at all. It's kind of hard to explain but I'm sure you get why that becomes very frustrating, particularly when it happens again and again.

Have you not read the game?

Bigger better prize regardless of tight game.

Blanc coined "get better not bitter." none of your frustration is valid.

What do you offer that the next man cannot provide? This is the same as the free market. All these special snowflakes with pc culture, everyone is equal, free edu, and Marxism jargon.

Nobody owes you ****. Man up or stfu.

Go get baeees. Smash or next set. Is not dtf? Next her. Chain gun cold approach.

If you don't have the spine, some other man will.

Step up or step aside.

I do have a guy friend who is very helpful with this, problem is that he isn't able to go out all that often with me. Also, most women that go to places like that I'm not even all that attracted to or have much in common with. I have friends that I hang out with, hobbies, etc. so it's not like I do nothing with my life and fixated on this, also this forum is dedicated towards men interested in women, dating and relationships. I'm honestly concerned about this continuing endlessly because I realize that all the good ones are taken and know that I deserve better than an overweight/unattractive woman who does nothing with her life, or some single mother with some illegitimate kid(s).

I'm 6'4", workout a lot, educated, attractive white guy and I know I should be doing much better.

It's normalised that 80% are being smashed by the top 20%. This is the pare to distribution.

99% of women are Netflix and chill material.

You're trying to play house with trash. Aim higher. Every set is practice. Act accordingly.

Darwin, survival of the fittest.

Nobody cares. You are incel status. Nobody cares. Step game up or rent a mini van and go gta on the world. Either way, zero ****kkk are given.

 

[sangheilios]

Have you not read the game?

Have you not read the game?

Bigger better prize regardless of tight game.

Blanc coined "get better not bitter." none of your frustration is valid.

What do you offer that the next man cannot provide? This is the same as the free market. All these special snowflakes with pc culture, everyone is equal, free edu, and Marxism jargon.

Nobody owes you ****. Man up or stfu.

Go get baeees. Smash or next set. Is not dtf? Next her. Chain gun cold approach.

If you don't have the spine, some other man will.

Step up or step aside.



It's normalised that 80% are being smashed by the top 20%. This is the pare to distribution.

99% of women are Netflix and chill material.

You're trying to play house with trash. Aim higher. Every set is practice. Act accordingly.

Darwin, survival of the fittest.

Nobody cares. You are incel status. Nobody cares. Step game up or rent a mini van and go gta on the world. Either way, zero ****kkk are given.

Bigger better prize regardless of tight game.

Blanc coined "get better not bitter." none of your frustration is valid.

What do you offer that the next man cannot provide? This is the same as the free market. All these special snowflakes with pc culture, everyone is equal, free edu, and Marxism jargon.

Nobody owes you ****. Man up or stfu.

Go get baeees. Smash or next set. Is not dtf? Next her. Chain gun cold approach.

If you don't have the spine, some other man will.

Step up or step aside.



It's normalised that 80% are being smashed by the top 20%. This is the pare to distribution.

99% of women are Netflix and chill material.

You're trying to play house with trash. Aim higher. Every set is practice. Act accordingly.

Darwin, survival of the fittest.

Nobody cares. You are incel status. Nobody cares. Step game up or rent a mini van and go gta on the world. Either way, zero ****kkk are given.

Having women initiate with you, asking you out and leading you on just to flake is very frustrating, any guy would agree with that and those feelings are completely valid. As I've mentioned, I'm in my late 20s, 6'4", an attractive white guy that works out a lot/in really good shape, takes care of himself, doesn't drink/smoke/do drugs, is educated, respectable and a good guy all around. I shouldn't have to feel like all I have to choose from is women that aren't on par with me (overweight, not sober, single moms, etc.). 2/3 of adults are overweight or obese, so that right there has wittled away a huge chunk of the dating pool. After that I'd probably only be interested in maybe 10% of all women in the general public, so of course it'll be impossible to find anything. Most of those women will have a boyfriend, so the rare ones that are single I'll not have the chance to ever meet and even if I do we might not even like each other on a personal level. I'm not MGTOW but the reality is that finding a quality woman is impossible.

 

[sangheilios]

This will kill your game outside of a church

Most women I've approached were at the gym and random day to day places. Not drinking alcohol should be of no concern unless she is a moron or a hardcore partier.

 

[sangheilios]

Look, no one in this Game gives a fvck about your personal values, sorry. Women choose.

I don't advertise that I avoid alcohol or whatever. What I was getting at in my earlier post is the fact that I'm active, take care of myself and sober.....because of this I'm also looking for someone similar. I personally don't care if a woman drinks as long as it isn't beyond a social level. Looking for what I bring to the table is fair, that's why I mentioned that I'm not willing to date women that are fat, single moms, do drugs, etc.

 

[sangheilios]

I understand, I'm saying being a non drinker actually lowers your SMV in American society. You need you understand that. I applaud it btw, personally, but women are not looking for a boy scout.

Honestly, if a woman is rejecting a 6'4", broad shouldered and fit attractive white guy because he doesn't drink alcohol she is retarded AF, seriously lol. As I mentioned, I don't care if people drink on a social level, I actually go out to bars and nightclubs with my friends, though I tend to leave earlier before the drunks start becoming the norm. I've very rarely ever had a woman ask me if I do or don't drink alcohol, which would be weird to ask outside of a bar setting.

I personally don't think it lowers your value or attractiveness but it definitely makes some people feel weird about themselves. I have no reason to mention it and it isn't anyone's business. It's not like I'm acting like a vegan who announces it to everyone he or she meets lol.

 

[corrector]

Honestly, if a woman is rejecting a 6'4", broad shouldered and fit attractive white guy because he doesn't drink alcohol she is retarded AF, seriously lol. As I mentioned, I don't care if people drink on a social level, I actually go out to bars and nightclubs with my friends, though I tend to leave earlier before the drunks start becoming the norm. I've very rarely ever had a woman ask me if I do or don't drink alcohol, which would be weird to ask outside of a bar setting.

I personally don't think it lowers your value or attractiveness but it definitely makes some people feel weird about themselves. I have no reason to mention it and it isn't anyone's business. It's not like I'm acting like a vegan who announces it to everyone he or she meets lol.

Alcohol is not too good for the liver. I tried drinking lots of alcohol last year because I watched a documentary about food and became fascinated that beer is fermented bread. I thought fermented bread is moldy or it would be disgusting, but, truth be told, wheat goes through some process of fermentation and beer is made form that. It helps to appreciate the drink if you understand the origin of it, the history of it, how it's made, the difference between cold-brew (Lagar) and Ales and look at the difference. I won't even get into wine or other types of alcoholic drinks, but they are a world of themselves. White wine is supposed to stoke the appetite and red wine is great after a meal, etc..... Other types of drinks, such as Apple Cider (Hard Apple Cider) and Hard Root Beer is also interesting since anything can be fermented and made into an alcoholic drink.

I got diagnosed with a fatty liver at some point early this year and cut out all alcohol. Perhaps a documentary I should not have seen if it inspired that. Maybe it's because I eat sweets, but I have also improved my diet. However, if you have a stronger liver that can handle alcohol, then it wouldn't hurt to investigate further about how some of these drinks are made, and history of them, and why beer tastes dramatically different from bread if both come from wheat....

 

[3agle 3yes]

@sangheilios where did you learn how to flirt? Did you teach yourself? Learn “game” from pua?

Reading your post about the conversations you were having with these women, I would’ve thought you were speaking to friends and not flirting at all.

Don’t ask women where they’re from and what they do for fun when you approach them. This telegraphs your interest and gives them the impression that you’re courting them. Hence the line “I have a boyfriend“.

When you initiate with these women, start a conversation on what she’s wearing, doing or where you are but do it with a twist or joke at the end.

For example the woman you held the door for: “I held the door for you, now you owe me a favour.” etc.

or the woman at the gym: I would’ve said (noticing she was watching me) “Can I ask you something? Did I look like I was in pain back there? Because you gave me this look like you felt sorry for me.” etc.

The point is you don’t want to start a normal, boring conversation with her that she’s had with the last 100 men. Almost never start with her name or where she’s from unless you know what she’s about to say and can tease her with it.

Be creative and witty and she’ll remember you for a little longer. Only when you sense a good vibe between the two of you do you then go for the number.

No good vibe, no number close.

And just to add, it’s just me but I don’t like when women initiate things and always rip on them when they do. If they ask me for my number I’ll say something like “that was quick, is this what you always do?”, or if they kiss me “hey, back off I don’t kiss on first dates“ etc (with a serious face).

When you interact with women make sure to have some fun with it but also make it clear to her that she has to earn your attraction.

 

[sangheilios]

@sangheilios where did you learn how to flirt? Did you teach yourself? Learn “game” from pua?

Reading your post about the conversations you were having with these women, I would’ve thought you were speaking to friends and not flirting at all.

Don’t ask women where they’re from and what they do for fun when you approach them. This telegraphs your interest and gives them the impression that you’re courting them. Hence the line “I have a boyfriend“.

When you initiate with these women, start a conversation on what she’s wearing, doing or where you are but do it with a twist or joke at the end.

For example the woman you held the door for: “I held the door for you, now you owe me a favour.” etc.

or the woman at the gym: I would’ve said (noticing she was watching me) “Can I ask you something? Did I look like I was in pain back there? Because you gave me this look like you felt sorry for me.” etc.

The point is you don’t want to start a normal, boring conversation with her that she’s had with the last 100 men. Almost never start with her name or where she’s from unless you know what she’s about to say and can tease her with it.

Be creative and witty and she’ll remember you for a little longer. Only when you sense a good vibe between the two of you do you then go for the number.

No good vibe, no number close.

And just to add, it’s just me but I don’t like when women initiate things and always rip on them when they do. If they ask me for my number I’ll say something like “that was quick, is this what you always do?”, or if they kiss me “hey, back off I don’t kiss on first dates“ etc (with a serious face).

When you interact with women make sure to have some fun with it but also make it clear to her that she has to earn your attraction.

I never read PUA, I just be myself when I approach a woman. Saying dumb and random stuff like that does not fit my personality. Something very basic like saying hi and asking her what her name is are great openers, pick up lines and dumb comments like that I couldn't take seriously and are not at all genuine. Most women that aren't clueless know that if a man is approaching her and asking her what her name is there is a motive for it.

I don't understand why some of you posters are picking these approaches apart as if I did something wrong lol. Like holding the door open for the woman was with the intent of having an excuse to talk to her, it was a spontaneous situation that occurred in the real world. In that given case she didn't even mention the boyfriend until I asked her out/for her number, never once did I mention she blurted that out immediately lol.

 

[AttackFormation]

I never read PUA, I just be myself when I approach a woman. Saying dumb and random stuff like that does not fit my personality. Something very basic like saying hi and asking her what her name is are great openers, pick up lines and dumb comments like that I couldn't take seriously and are not at all genuine. Most women that aren't clueless know that if a man is approaching her and asking her what her name is there is a motive for it.

I don't understand why some of you posters are picking these approaches apart as if I did something wrong lol. Like holding the door open for the woman was with the intent of having an excuse to talk to her, it was a spontaneous situation that occurred in the real world. In that given case she didn't even mention the boyfriend until I asked her out/for her number, never once did I mention she blurted that out immediately lol.

You'll notice that women never get told this stuff. Women aren't even told to approach, let alone to make original and witty comments when doing it.

It's due to power disparity, not "bad game", that you get told to entertain them and not vice versa. But women who are interested don't need to be entertained, just like you don't. All this blaming your game is imo is camouflaging the fact that these women have power, but no interest - if they did they would've made it easy and helped you, but they didn't. Sometimes I think we forget that women who want you help you and make it easy for you, and won't confuse you, because it happens so rarely for us... but that's what an interested girl is like and it's important to remember that.

I'm afraid there's no easy answer to your quandary. We are all in this Game, but women are the players.

 

[sangheilios]

You'll notice that women never get told this stuff. Women aren't even told to approach, let alone to make original and witty comments when doing it.

It's due to power disparity, not "bad game", that you get told to entertain them and not vice versa. But women who are interested don't need to be entertained, just like you don't. All this blaming your game is imo is camouflaging the fact that these women have power, but no interest - if they did they would've made it easy and helped you, but they didn't. Sometimes I think we forget that women who want you help you and make it easy for you, and won't confuse you, because it happens so rarely for us... but that's what an interested girl is like and it's important to remember that.

I'm afraid there's no easy answer to your quandary. We are all in this Game, but women are the players.

I'm aware of that, which is why I mentioned that I'm not going to start putting on an act lol.

The examples I had presented on here earlier were given to show that these women were in fact creating opportunities, asking me out, etc. and yet despite all that nothing ever came of it. They had shown signs of interest and actually did make it easy for me in the moment, thus the reason why I've been burnt out by all this because if those don't line up then I don't know what will.

Women in today's world just have too many options that are far too readily available, sad times. As I've said before, if a 6'4", fit and attractive sober white guy deals with this I can only imagine what it's like for more average guys out there. I don't even understand why I have this problem.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I'm aware of that, which is why I mentioned that I'm not going to start putting on an act lol.

The examples I had presented on here earlier were given to show that these women were in fact creating opportunities, asking me out, etc. and yet despite all that nothing ever came of it. They had shown signs of interest and actually did make it easy for me in the moment, thus the reason why I've been burnt out by all this because if those don't line up then I don't know what will.

Women in today's world just have too many options that are far too readily available, sad times. As I've said before, if a 6'4", fit and attractive sober white guy deals with this I can only imagine what it's like for more average guys out there. I don't even understand why I have this problem.

Maybe paying for being sober. A non sober would do and be more tolerant of dumb stuff. I dont know. Probably care too much. Anyone of us herw probably is guilty of that.

 

[sangheilios]

Maybe paying for being sober. A non sober would do and be more tolerant of dumb stuff. I dont know. Probably care too much. Anyone of us herw probably is guilty of that.

I've been rejected in the past by women who ended up going for potheads, drinkers and bums......something about that is both hilarious but extremely insulting lol. While I was busy working on my life and being a respectable dude idiotic women like this were being made, yet I'm supposed to settle for them later on lol. Crazy thing is she is about my age and if I saw her I'd never guess she was anywhere near it lol.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I've been rejected in the past by women who ended up going for potheads, drinkers and bums......something about that is both hilarious but extremely insulting lol. While I was busy working on my life and being a respectable dude idiotic women like this were being made, yet I'm supposed to settle for them later on lol. Crazy thing is she is about my age and if I saw her I'd never guess she was anywhere near it lol.

Being too "clean" doesnt get us rewarded. Some dirt must exist. Maybe the dirt is women.