How many guys are there who are a really good catch between 25-35?

[bigdave17]

a good catch, I would consider

- decent looking (at least a 6-7 in facial aesthetics, nice physique, dress nice)
- make good money (at least 70-100K a year) and understand finances well. Don't have much debt...are set up to be financially successful in long term (paying 10-15% towards 401K, have a house that you're paying off, etc...)
- decent social circle
- both academically intelligent and emotionally intelligent
- genuinely a good, loyal person

Guys who fit all these categories have to be around 1-2% of demographics, no? Just looks alone, less than 10-20% of men I see are decent looking/nice physique/dress nice. Income wise, less than 20% of men make 70K and even lots of decent earners I know are horrible with managing finances.

So how is it possible that attractive women are so unbelievably picky then? Are they all looking for the top 0.001% of men? You go on dating sites as a man and you will get nothing of any remotely decent quality unless you're a 8-10/10...which is basically top 1% of men so all the top 20% of women who are decent looking on dating sites are all going after the top 1% of men? This is just talking about looks only. I'm guessing any decent quality women on dating sites is not dating a guy who is not college educated and makes at least 70-80K a year... so now we're down to 0.2% of men (in terms of men who are 9-10/10 and make good money).

None of this makes any sense to me so someone please enlighten me

 

[bigdave17]

Women aren't as superficial as you are

you once told me that you got zero replies on dating sites because you were "only a 7/10 and 5'8 in height" - I'm putting quotation marks here because it's a ridiculous comment. There is nothing wrong with being 5'8 and I'm sure you're top 10 to 20% of men in looks easily.

That's like turning down a woman for being 7/10 and 5'2 in height...which no man on this site would do... yet women are less shallow than me or you?

Put it this way. A 7/10 woman who is 5'2 is getting 500,000 messages on dating sites. This isn't even talking about the requirements for money, college education, social circle, status, etc... - which none of us have as men but are extremely important for women.

Are you drunk or smoking crack bro?

 

[zekko]

So how is it possible that attractive women are so unbelievably picky then? Are they all looking for the top 0.001% of men?

If that is true, how do you explain how many men here do not have those attributes, but are still able to be successful dating? For one thing, they're putting themselves out there. You may be a good catch, but you're not stirring these girls emotions in a way they find attractive, for whatever reason.
I will say that it is easier for guys to get a one night stand or a date or two with an exceptionally attractive woman than it is to nail them down into a LTR.

Also, you are trying to get into a LTR with girls who are 25 or younger, when most girls that age are still into partying, finishing college, and having fun. The average age women marry in the US now is 27.4.

 

[bigdave17]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the online dating Market is completely different from the real life Market?

I have absolutely zero problem attracting women in real life, the only places I struggle are bars, clubs, and online.

that's about 90% of the dating game locations. I don't meet women through friends, I never have.

yea women definitely aren't shallow for not wanting to go out with you because you're "only" in the top 10-20 percentile of men in looks and are a whopping 1 inch below average in height. Definitely not

and Santa Claus exists too. What a ridiculous argument.

 

[bigdave17]

If that is true, how do you explain how many men here do not have those attributes, but are still able to be successful dating? For one thing, they're putting themselves out there. You may be a good catch, but you're not stirring these girls emotions in a way they find attractive, for whatever reason.
I will say that it is easier for guys to get a one night stand or a date or two with an exceptionally attractive woman than it is to nail them down into a LTR.

Also, you are trying to get into a LTR with girls who are 25 or younger, when most girls that age are still into partying, finishing college, and having fun. The average age women marry in the US now is 27.4.

no I'm looking for 24-29. 20-24 doesn't really know what they want in life and are generally too immature for me.

and we're not talking about exceptionally attractive. We're talking about a 7-8/10. Let's not turn into women here and only be interested in the top 1% of the opposite gender. I'm a 7.5/10 interested in a female 7.5/10

 

[bigdave17]

...

read what you're posting

Women require a top 0.1% man in looks for online dating, bars and clubs yet they are not as shallow as me. How does that make any sense?

 

[bigdave17]

It's really easy to get out of that box, let's see if you can speculate how.

meeting women through friends is purely a luck thing dude. I live in the suburbs and a lot of my friends are older dudes and married people. What are the odds of any of them having 25 year old single cute friends with no kids? Slim and none. I work at a job where I'm mostly around couples, older people, married people, etc... so that's not an option either. You make it seem like it's so easy to make friends and then boom! next day they introduce you to some 25 year old hottie who has everything in line in her life (the same way I do). It's mostly nonsense. Even if I make a friend who has a hot 25 year old GF, I guarantee you that he's trying very hard to get with her.

Unfortunately for me, I have to rely on cold approaching in areas like bars, clubs and online dating. I see women sometimes during the day in places like grocery stores or malls but the approach scenario there is ridiculously difficult.

Again, we go back to my point, I would never ever turn down a woman for "only" being a 7/10 or being average height, so how am I the superficial one here? You won't answer this question because you know you're wrong. Most men are very happy with say a top 10 or 20% woman on dating sites or bars or whatever. You go on dating sites and you're basically worthless as a male unless you're top 1 in a 1,000

 

[bigdave17]

Incel, would you ever date a 5/10 in looks? Do you think most women have dated down in looks because of other attributes?

fukk no. Why would I date a 5/10 in looks when I'm a 7.5/10 in face and around a 9/10 in body with being very strong in every other category? I should be dating a woman with a 6-7 face and a 9-10/10 body


Women date down in looks? Since when? You go on a dating site and you can't even get a reply unless you message someone 5 points below you on a scale of 1-10. I go to bars and clubs and I'm one of the best looking guys there and the only women who show me interest are way way below my league.

 

[bigdave17]

Women date way down in looks all the time...
Still talking about dating sites...

high school sweethearts who've known each other for 15 years don't count. I don't have access to that kind of natural/organic dating opportunities anymore.

a 5/10 isn't cold approaching an 8/10 and dating her. That's my point. For me, i have to rely on cold approaches and online dating where even 7 to 8/10 women mostly want a 10/10 male.

 

[RedScorpion]

This thread sounds like more rationalization for Dave for why he’s not scoring the chicks he wants.

Life isn’t so simple as ‘that guy is a 5/10’ and ‘that chick is a 8/10’.

 

[CBear]

This thread sounds like more rationalization for Dave for why he’s not scoring the chicks he wants.

Life isn’t so simple as ‘that guy is a 5/10’ and ‘that chick is a 8/10’.

The constant obession with ratings & "I won't date her because she's a 5/10 and I'm a 7/10" would make anyone go insane and it looks absolutely laughable when you read it.

 

[bigdave17]

Your first paragraph is totally false

which part is false?

the high school sweethearts thing is irrelevant for me because I don't have access to it anymore. The only way I meet women is to cold approach/do online dating, where the difficulty curve is crazy high

I knew a few couples where it's a 5/10 guy dating a 7 or 8/10 girl. Perfect example is my friend who goes by Mike...guess what? they were college sweethearts. If he approached her at a bar now, she would laugh at him

 

[bigdave17]

The constant obession with ratings & "I won't date her because she's a 5/10 and I'm a 7/10" would make anyone go insane and it looks absolutely laughable when you read it.

I just want somebody who is cute in the face and has a nice body. There's girls who are 8/10 to me but a 6/10 to someone else and that's fine

All I'm using with the numbers is to indicate that I'm looking for someone with a cute face and nice body

 

[bigdave17]

This, this is completely false and fake

elaborate. What is fake?

I live in suburbs, manny of my friends are older. I work at older dominated job

how am I gonna have easy and natural dating opportunities with 25 year old hotties like you're suggesting?

 

[flowtheory]

Women date down in looks? Since when?

Do you know how many women date down in looks?
I work in a grocery store, I see a ton of people and I’m very observant. I would honestly say in 95% of couples, the woman is dating a less attractive man. And of 50% of that I’m talking “how did he get her?” Because it looks odd.

2% you see two people who are equally attractive.
3% It’s seeing a couple where the male is the more attractive one.

The most attractive people who are turning heads are usually single on a consistent basis.

 

[Roober]

Here in the bay area, your a dime a dozen with those stats... I think the average salary is over 100k

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Here in the bay area, your a dime a dozen with those stats... I think the average salary is over 100k

Yeah but relative to his market he's doing well. If he was in bay area he'd have to adjust salary for cost of living. He'd be a fool to take his same salary over there.

Once again bigdave17 is killing himself due to his MINDSET and pedastalation of babes. Also refusal to take the sex that's currently offered to him. He doesn't believe women aren't attracted to men who don't have sex.

 

[Roober]

Yeah but relative to his market he's doing well. If he was in bay area he'd have to adjust salary for cost of living. He'd be a fool to take his same salary over there.

Once again bigdave17 is killing himself due to his MINDSET and pedastalation of babes. Also refusal to take the sex that's currently offered to him. He doesn't believe women aren't attracted to men who don't have sex.

And the fact that he thinks 90% of game is online, clubs, and bars. Dont know anyone who has gotten an ltr from bars or clubs.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

And the fact that he thinks 90% of game is online, clubs, and bars. Dont know anyone who has gotten an ltr from bars or clubs.

Well man or woman when they try to force a LTR it does not work out. Enjoy life, have sex, filter people a LTR will be there. The female has to decide she wants a LTR. Before then your job is being happy, taking care of your purpose and fvcking her well.

 

[bigdave17]

Here in the bay area, your a dime a dozen with those stats... I think the average salary is over 100k

100k in bay area is 20K here dude

I have a beautiful 2500 square foot house that I almost own outright. How much does that go for where you live? 2 million?