Why the PUA industry will be dead in a decade

[devilkingx2]

one of the reasons i dont make my own game threads is because all the info IS ALREADY OUT THERE. everything you could possibly need has been said already. no one can offer anything new because there isnt anything new. you dont need to spend a dime on any pua stuff.

here's the thing though: as time passes all things become outdated.

if prostitution, strip clubs and porn were all outlawed tomorrow and cracked down upon as hard as the drug war or prohibition then the game would totally change as everything shifts totally in the favor of women

if we had another great war and 10 years from that millions of young able bodied men are dead and now suddenly there's like 10-50 million more young women than young men in america, the whole paradigm would shift and everything would become effortless for us

same idea applies if sex bot technology advances enough, if the media starts preaching a return to waiting for marriage until culture shifts and no woman wants to have sex without an engagement ring, etc.

point is that eventually all the books will need to be rewritten and we'll need modern material, I doubt a PUA book from 2004 would be super useful today

 

[skinnyguy]

here's the thing though: as time passes all things become outdated.

if prostitution, strip clubs and porn were all outlawed tomorrow and cracked down upon as hard as the drug war or prohibition then the game would totally change as everything shifts totally in the favor of women

if we had another great war and 10 years from that millions of young able bodied men are dead and now suddenly there's like 10-50 million more young women than young men in america, the whole paradigm would shift and everything would become effortless for us

same idea applies if sex bot technology advances enough, if the media starts preaching a return to waiting for marriage until culture shifts and no woman wants to have sex without an engagement ring, etc.

point is that eventually all the books will need to be rewritten and we'll need modern material, I doubt a PUA book from 2004 would be super useful today

Prostitution is outlawed lol

I don’t know if the game would shift if there was more women than men. In that scenario the women would still go for the top 1% if men

PUA I think is still doing well financially now. Basically, a lot of men who are beta are really desperate for answers and will drop 3K to get laid.

 

[Mike32ct]

Despite the talk about "day game," PUA has mostly been about nightlife (e.g. bars and clubs).

Part of the decline of PUA is related to how nightlife has changed.

1. More and more women are getting their hookups from online or social circle, so they have less of a need to have ONS' with random guys from the bar or club.

2. Women go out with larger groups and dance with each other.

3. The more expensive clubs push "bottle service" which can basically isolate a group of girls (at that table) from being approached by random guys. "Public" areas of the club (where random people can meet and PUAs often performed) such as the dancefloor, bar areas and standing areas are shrinking in area to make room for more profitable "tables."

4. More and more sports bars. TV screens with sports games playing is more of a distraction.

 

[devilkingx2]

Prostitution is outlawed lol

not everywhere lol

I don’t know if the game would shift if there was more women than men. In that scenario the women would still go for the top 1% if men

more women increases the value of men since every woman wants a man, unless lesbianism becomes super common all men will see an increase in demand unless you're totally undesirable

obviously a below average guy might only get 10% more b!tches while a rich 6 foot tall buff guy with a british accent might get 350% of his normal amount of b!tches (or it could be that everyone's numbers triple but triple 2 for some and triple 20 for others)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ingles-today-its-math/?utm_term=.f86265a4a6b6

 

[Good Gao]

While PUA is dead, the author should not be taken seriously as a person.

The guy has been spamming his material across boards and is desperately trying to build his brand, being unsuccessful doing so. He will post whatever clickbait it takes to generate more views on his page (aka posts about race) but he is just fighting for his quick 15 minutes of fame. I see this guy's video, he comes off as poorly coordinated. He isn't good looking and even his social media profiles are bland.

Compare his Instagram page to that of Owen from RSD, you will quickly see the difference.

Owen is in pics with hot girls and is doing stuff with them, this dude is lonely putting up motivational quotes on his page.

The guy's stories do not add up, he comes off as dishonest and a scammer himself, I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

 

[Macaframalama]

While PUA is dead, the author should not be taken seriously as a person.

The guy has been spamming his material across boards and is desperately trying to build his brand, being unsuccessful doing so. He will post whatever clickbait it takes to generate more views on his page (aka posts about race) but he is just fighting for his quick 15 minutes of fame. I see this guy's video, he comes off as poorly coordinated. He isn't good looking and even his social media profiles are bland.

Compare his Instagram page to that of Owen from RSD, you will quickly see the difference.

Owen is in pics with hot girls and is doing stuff with them, this dude is lonely putting up motivational quotes on his page.

The guy's stories do not add up, he comes off as dishonest and a scammer himself, I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

Are we reading the same site, because the guy is spot on with everything I've read. If routines are your thing, do you, but for guys that are into the more natural approach, the author offers a very good perspective on the fundamentals.

 

[Good Gao]

Are we reading the same site, because the guy is spot on with everything I've read. If routines are your thing, do you, but for guys that are into the more natural approach, the author offers a very good perspective on the fundamentals.

Yes we are but none of his stories add up.

Perfect childhood with alpha parents and slayer in college yet somehow he got into RSD? Not buying it!

Always the man when it came to ladies yet he is going through pickup forums and can relate to guys struggling with women? BS.

I think the guy is a phony that writes fictional stories on his own site in order to appease his own ego when in reality, he is probably an incel with a lot of time on his hands.

Look at his Instagram page, all lonely pics and less than 200 followers. The guy does not have any evidence that he actually gets laid outside of texts which any guy can make up.

I think he is making stuff up on the fly and trying to earn a following but failing hard at it.

 

[Macaframalama]

Yes we are but none of his stories add up.

Perfect childhood with alpha parents and slayer in college yet somehow he got into RSD? Not buying it!

What's hard to believe? I'd bet my paycheck, that the guy slays from looks alone. Strong jawline, well kept, good dresser and swole to boot. His parents are still married, so I wouldn't figure, that his childhood was lacking too bad.

Always the man when it came to ladies yet he is going through pickup forums and can relate to guys struggling with women? BS.

Life has ebbs and flows. Chit happens, ppl die, even the best fail and confidence can wane. Perceptions can change and I know ppl that are in a position all across the board, that I would kill for, that are less happy, than myself.

I think the guy is a phony that writes fictional stories on his own site in order to appease his own ego when in reality, he is probably an incel with a lot of time on his hands.

Idk ya know. He seems pretty active with answering questions on his page. Perhaps, he could shed more light. His page is his passion and he's making a career out of what he loves. I love weightlifting. I spend allot of my time on other forums discussing methodology and studies. If it's something you love and you aspire to excel, you dedicate time to it.

Look at his Instagram page, all lonely pics and less than 200 followers. The guy does not have any evidence that he actually gets laid outside of texts which any guy can make up.

The guy doesn't strike me as the type, that feels he has to show and prove to anonymous users. To guys that really get it, it just clicks. Spending your life seeking the approval of others is a very miserable life to live. It will never happen. I know this from experience all too well.

I think he is making stuff up on the fly and trying to earn a following but failing hard at it.

Again, that's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. Idk how long he's been at it, but he seems to be doing quite well. He consults across the country and has built a platform to express his opinions, that contains a ton of great, free content. I would hope, that an Instagram following or lack thereof is a measure of success to you. Are you sure there isn't a little Asian envy going on here?

 

[ubercat]

No pua won't move you from a 5 to a 8. 5-6 is doable. Workout 6-7. Improve social circle 7-8. Now you can easily attract 7s. The best pua stuff is science based and as science is always advancing so will the material. Of course 80 % of it is overhyped crap. The worst I ever saw was this rat faced dweeb with an annoying voice called Carlos Xuma. And RSD just seems like a cult. If a fully annoying dude like Owen gets laid that's a sad commentary on American women. The problem of course with the opinion based material is some of it may work but who would ever know.

 

[Good Gao]

No @Macaframalama

Anyone who has spent time evaluating frauds and working in a job where you have to pick up on BS that people tell, I can promise you the guy is full of crap.

He is not handsome by society's standard in anyway what so ever, he looks like an overweight Mexican, doubt that gives him many options with women at all and people with real world experience can tell you that.

Then add to the fact that he is trying to promote a brand but has no proof he actually lives the life he is trying to teach others how to live.

Where are pics of him with hot girls?

Where are the pics of him getting action?

Where are the pics of him and his crew?

Where are pics of him doing cool stuff?

All of the pics are of him alone, Instagram page flooded with motivational posts, and nothing to show he lives the life he claims to live.

Compare him to Owen of RSD who is at cool parties, hanging out cool people, has tons of IG followers, and a powerful brand.

The Sonny dude is a wackjob fraud.

 

[Macaframalama]

Compare him to Owen of RSD who is at cool parties, hanging out cool people, has tons of IG followers, and a powerful brand.

No, for future reference, this is a fraud bro.

The fact that you think that, these dudes are cool speaks volumes in itself, but it doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know from reading your threads, but you know... Do you bruh.

 

[devilkingx2]

nothing needs to be re-written because our biology isnt changing with our technology or culture. in fact, its our biology and cultural changes that is directly influencing our technology which is the reason for sex bots to begin with.

we just need calibration to the new stimuli and mediums that prop up. ie instagram/snapchat game text game etc and learning the causes and effects of these things in our romantic lives. ie online dating has actually made people MORE asexual.

other than that. nothing is going to change until the day comes we can directly alter our biology

In the days of pook you were supposed to wait like a week after getting the girl's number then call her on the phone

Do you think that's still the proper mode of operation for 2018?

Or would a guide written today be radically different than what people were told in 2000?

Our biology may not really change but dating and culture constantly does.

 

[Good Gao]

No, for future reference, this is a fraud bro.

The fact that you think that, these dudes are cool speaks volumes in itself, but it doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know from reading your threads, but you know... Do you bruh.

The proof is in the life!

These dudes have proof that a lot of people follow them which leads to a lot of women taking interest. They are way more legit than fat Sp1c Sonny the Turd. Just compare their social media pages, these guys live the life they preach about, fat sp1c does not.

 

[Magotrox]

Like I read on deesade profile:

“Everything in the world is about svx, except svx. Svx is about power.”

― Oscar Wilde

 

[Macaframalama]

The proof is in the life!

These dudes have proof that a lot of people follow them which leads to a lot of women taking interest. They are way more legit than fat Sp1c Sonny the Turd. Just compare their social media pages, these guys live the life they preach about, fat sp1c does not.

You are projecting your envy and hate son. People, also followed Adolf Hitler, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, etc., So who cares?.?. Stop following, stop posing, stop getting so triggered over another man doing his thing and lead yourself. You're coming off way too salty and frail tail about this.

 

[RangerMIke]

In the days of pook you were supposed to wait like a week after getting the girl's number then call her on the phone

Do you think that's still the proper mode of operation for 2018?

Or would a guide written today be radically different than what people were told in 2000?

Our biology may not really change but dating and culture constantly does.

It was Doc Love that first came up with the idea of waiting before calling a chick to ask for a date. His recommendation was based on the fact that most men will call right away, which comes off as needy. But it also weeds out the psycho chicks and b!tches, who lose it when you don't bow down and worship their vaginas. It also helps weed out chicks that REALLY are not interested in you before you spend any money on her. If she just gave you her number to get rid of you, and you call her a week later... she will tell you you 'missed your chance', which is complete BVLLSH!T... truth is you never really had a chance, and you just gave her a reason to reject you rather than just flaking on a date or not answering her phone.

It's a great guide for dudes that are learning the nature of chicks, that will help them quickly navigate through women efficiently and focus only on sane chicks that like them.

When you've had enough practice with women, you really don't need to worry about 'rules', you will be able to spot real interest from the get go, and crazy, damaged, and/or overly structured chicks on you first date, and you don't take it any further.

I usually try to make a date on the spot... that works pretty well for me, cuts to the chase and saves time.

 

[devilkingx2]

It was Doc Love that first came up with the idea of waiting before calling a chick to ask for a date. His recommendation was based on the fact that most men will call right away, which comes off as needy. But it also weeds out the psycho chicks and b!tches, who lose it when you don't bow down and worship their vaginas. It also helps weed out chicks that REALLY are not interested in you before you spend any money on her. If she just gave you her number to get rid of you, and you call her a week later... she will tell you you 'missed your chance', which is complete BVLLSH!T... truth is you never really had a chance, and you just gave her a reason to reject you rather than just flaking on a date or not answering her phone.

It's a great guide for dudes that are learning the nature of chicks, that will help them quickly navigate through women efficiently and focus only on sane chicks that like them.

When you've had enough practice with women, you really don't need to worry about 'rules', you will be able to spot real interest from the get go, and crazy, damaged, and/or overly structured chicks on you first date, and you don't take it any further.

I usually try to make a date on the spot... that works pretty well for me, cuts to the chase and saves time.

It makes a lot of sense when you say it like that

I figured that it depends on how you know the girl, if you only talked to her for 5 minutes then wait a whole week, there's no way she'll remember you unless she didn't go outside for the rest of the week

But if you've been talking to a girl on and off for a while because you're former coworkers or classmates or something and you wait a week after getting her number on the last day, but then she "forgets" you, that was zero interest.

There's a lot of things like this that depend on the situation at hand, if you meet a girl through a 5 minute cold approach you gotta do a few things differently than if you knew her from class for weeks or days

Usually what i do is text the girl once as soon as i get the number so that she has mine and knows its mine, and so far, girls who intend to text back usually respond, whereas girls who don't usually dont. It's a pretty good way to get an instant read on the situation

 

[Good Gao]

You are projecting your envy and hate son. People, also followed Adolf Hitler, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, etc., So who cares?.?. Stop following, stop posing, stop getting so triggered over another man doing his thing and lead yourself. You're coming off way too salty and frail tail about this.

I think it is clear at this point that you are on this forum to promote that guy's garbage but the proof is in the pudding, he does not live an amazing life and has no evidence of an amazing life.

When a lot of people follow you, it means you are taken seriously and people actually believe you matter. Hate those psychos you mention all you want, they were terrible people, but they still got a lot of women.

Sonny is a lonely hermit with no life, you're just promoting his garbage.

 

[Macaframalama]

I think it is clear at this point that you are on this forum to promote that guy's garbage but the proof is in the pudding, he does not live an amazing life and has no evidence of an amazing life.

I was just curious in the beginning as to why the hate, (but it's obvious at this point). Especially, being a fellow Asian, such as yourself. I could care less who does or doesn't follow him. I personally, think he has a good message, but to each their own.

When a lot of people follow you, it means you are taken seriously and people actually believe you matter. Hate those psychos you mention all you want, they were terrible people, but they still got a lot of women.

They were great at getting people to follow them and i wouldn't argue, that they weren't successful with women. Have you ever stopped and asked yourself what all of their FOLLOWERS had in common though? They were ****ing morons. They were weak-minded, easily manipulated and they all drank the Kool Aid. Poison laced Kool Aid in the the case of Jim Jones' followers. You are a troll dude. The same 'ol Kool Aid drinking troll. Every thread you post is about why Indians or Asians have it so hard. Whining and pissing and moaning. I post a thread from a Filipino/Italian author, that doesn't support the same self-victimizing stance that you hold so dear and you lose your chit. Bye hater.

 

[skinnyguy]

I used PUA on my date tonight and it worked.

I think women are hyper responsive to it still. Amazing stuff