"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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The struggle is hard

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I don’t quite understand how a lot of individuals struggle with women in this forum, or even some of my acquaintances.
The market has never been better. It doesn’t take anything too special either.
I am about 6’2 170, athletic looking. Mid 20s, Fairly light African American. I have always been rated as around a 8-8.5 by women
I don’t try anything special with women. I don’t try to be “alpha” I don’t go to bars to pick up women. I see a woman. I get her number. Get her number text her. Text her and tell her I want sex. She says no, great. She says yes, great.

How hard is it really ?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I don’t quite understand how a lot of individuals struggle with women in this forum, or even some of my acquaintances.
The market has never been better. It doesn’t take anything too special either.
I am about 6’2 170, athletic looking. Mid 20s, Fairly light African American. I have always been rated as around a 8-8.5 by women
I don’t try anything special with women. I don’t try to be “alpha” I don’t go to bars to pick up women. I see a woman. I get her number. Get her number text her. Text her and tell her I want sex. She says no, great. She says yes, great.

How hard is it really ?
wtf lol. you pick up girls from street, then text later directly asking if she wants sex?
 

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I don’t quite understand how a lot of individuals struggle with women in this forum, or even some of my acquaintances.
The market has never been better. It doesn’t take anything too special either.
I am about 6’2 170, athletic looking. Mid 20s, Fairly light African American. I have always been rated as around a 8-8.5 by women
I don’t try anything special with women. I don’t try to be “alpha” I don’t go to bars to pick up women. I see a woman. I get her number. Get her number text her. Text her and tell her I want sex. She says no, great. She says yes, great.

How hard is it really ?

You answered your own question and don't even know it. If your looks are 8-8.5 then less game is required for you. For folks like me who are more average looking (6-7), we have to apply more game to the formula to get the same result that you can get without it. I have no trouble getting laid, but it's not as effortless for me as "Hi wanna fvck". I can do that with my established FWBs but with a strange woman, NO WAY. That would never work for me and I know it. Not fooling anyone trying to pretend like it would.
 

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What an arrogant, stupid post. You're a good looking, tall, athletic light skinned black guy and you clean up with women? Well alert the news media. Of course you do. I've got a friend who matches your same physical description and he does great, too. Lots of guys aren't as confident, outgoing or physically advantaged like you are so they need a bit of help to utilize or maximize other strengths or improve the ones they already have. What's wrong with that? They don't need guys like you posting passive aggressive hors***** like this. Take it some place else.
 

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wtf lol. you pick up girls from street, then text later directly asking if she wants sex?
That’s not what I meant just wasn’t going to write a whole essay. Not directly after. Chat a little etc. But I do directly ask them to come over or invite me over etc. All I’m saying is we as humans tend to make things more complicated than usual

What an arrogant, stupid post. You're a good looking, tall, athletic light skinned black guy and you clean up with women? Well alert the news media. Of course you do. I've got a friend who matches your same physical description and he does great, too. Lots of guys aren't as confident, outgoing or physically advantaged like you are so they need a bit of help to utilize or maximize other strengths or improve the ones they already have. What's wrong with that? They don't need guys like you posting passive aggressive hors***** like this. Take it some place else.
I hope you have a great day sir.

You answered your own question and don't even know it. If your looks are 8-8.5 then less game is required for you. For folks like me who are more average looking (6-7), we have to apply more game to the formula to get the same result that you can get without it. I have no trouble getting laid, but it's not as effortless for me as "Hi wanna fvck". I can do that with my established FWBs but with a strange woman, NO WAY. That would never work for me and I know it. Not fooling anyone trying to pretend like it would.
Didn’t have the desire to articulate myself very well.
There’s beauty in simplicity
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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@Epicurus So what advice would you have for this guy if he wanted to lay the same women you do?

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Okay so I still believe that mindset trumps all things if yours is strong enough, but damn dude like women are rating you much more highly than most men. Either that, or you are going for some low self esteem fat hogs. I mean there’s a difference.

Also (and this is just the OCD coming out of someone who’s a fitness fanatic), how is 170 lbs at 6’2 athletic looking? That’s borderline skinny.
 

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@Epicurus So what advice would you have for this guy if he wanted to lay the same women you do?

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He can’t. He never will. That’s life. Life is unfair

Okay so I still believe that mindset trumps all things if yours is strong enough, but damn dude like women are rating you much more highly than most men. Either that, or you are going for some low self esteem fat hogs. I mean there’s a difference.

Also (and this is just the OCD coming out of someone who’s a fitness fanatic), how is 170 lbs at 6’2 athletic looking? That’s borderline skinny.
I agree with men having more leeway when they’re considered good looking. But this only applies to women below you. Which I don’t go after or date. I only go after women who I feel are on the same spectrum as me. It all comes down to the modern day woman wants sex as much as we do, and being smooth with your words and actions.

Many women have told me I have a way with words
It’s not about what you say, it’s how you say it

What did you even try to say in that bold sentence
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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He can’t. He never will. That’s life. Life is unfair



I agree with men having more leeway when they’re considered good looking. But this only applies to women below you. Which I don’t go after or date. I only go after women who I feel are on the same spectrum as me. It all comes down to the modern day woman wants sex as much as we do, and being smooth with your words and actions.

Many women have told me I have a way with words
It’s not about what you say, it’s how you say it

What did you even try to say in that bold sentence
You are above average. Average = 5. And you are incorrect when you say “this only applies to women below you” because the vast majority of men are not an 8 or a 9. Most women deal with guys lower than themselves (at least with makeup on). A man who is above average has already separated himself from the crowd.
 

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That was my first thought.

Right behind that was wondering why this dude needed to brag about getting a couple of lays.
I think he is more so talking about how it shouldn’t be that hard to get chicks. So I see his point but he has to take into consideration that not everyone is like him. Some people are simply less fortunate.
 

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I don’t quite understand how a lot of individuals struggle with women in this forum, or even some of my acquaintances.
The market has never been better. It doesn’t take anything too special either.
I am about 6’2 170, athletic looking. Mid 20s, Fairly light African American. I have always been rated as around a 8-8.5 by women
I don’t try anything special with women. I don’t try to be “alpha” I don’t go to bars to pick up women. I see a woman. I get her number. Get her number text her. Text her and tell her I want sex. She says no, great. She says yes, great.

How hard is it really ?
You're right on target. Getting laid is literally easier than getting a job at Walmart.

Problem is the quality. These hoes don't make good relationship material. After I shag them I usually lose interest because their personalities are so lame.

Very frustrating because it would be nice to have a partner I can both f*ck AND enjoy their company. Can't find it though. And when I do, it doesn't last very long.
 
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I can have conversations no problem I don't go out of my way to start them, like some street pickup weirdo... But when they happen, it's pretty easy.

I don't ever even think to ask for a number because I don't know why they would give it to me, and not sure why I really want it. Do I want to be the strange guy who asks girls he just met to come over to his house?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I don't quite understand how a lot of individuals struggle with making money in this forum, or even some of my acquaintances.
The market has never been better.
It doesn’t take anything too special either.
I am 165, athletic looking. Mid 30s, Fairly light Canadian. I have always been rated kind of smart by investors.
I don’t try anything special with making money. I don’t try to be smart. I don’t go to investing seminars to get advice. I see a stock. I get its info. Look at its financials. Go to my broker and say I want it. He says no, great. He says yes, great.

How hard is it really?
 
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I don't quite understand how a lot of individuals struggle with making money in this forum, or even some of my acquaintances.
The market has never been better.
It doesn’t take anything too special either.
I am 170, athletic looking. Mid 30s, Fairly light Canadian. I have always been rated as around a 7-7.5 by women
I don’t try anything special with making money. I don’t try to be smart. I don’t go to investing seminars to get advice. I see a stock. I get its info. Look at its financials. Go to my broker and say I want it. He says no, great. He says yes, great.

How hard is it really?
To make $70,000 in stock gains in 3 days, you must have started with a huge account.

Takes money to make money, and not everyone has the money to begin with.
 

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You're right on target. Getting laid is literally easier than getting a job at Walmart.

Problem is the quality. These hoes don't make good relationship material. After I shag them I usually lose interest because their personalities are so lame.

Very frustrating because it would be nice to have a partner I can both f*ck AND enjoy their company. Can't find it though. And when I do, it doesn't last very long.
I completely agree. I just had some girl text me this. And then a few messages later say that I should take her out. Mind you she’s a , young 20 year old light skin, great body. Good job. Owns a house already.
Any guy who’s above a 7 shouldn’t have a problem doing what I do. Because I don’t do anything special. At all.

I’m literally trying to preach that what I’m doing isn’t elaborate or something genius
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I completely agree. I just had some girl text me this. And then a few messages later say that I should take her out. Mind you she’s a , young 20 year old light skin, great body. Good job. Owns a house already.
Any guy who’s above a 7 shouldn’t have a problem doing what I do. Because I don’t do anything special. At all.

I’m literally trying to preach that what I’m doing isn’t elaborate or something genius
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Not for me.

I can have nice little conversations all day long, although I don't really seek them out.

But it rarely transitions to anything more.
 

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I completely agree. I just had some girl text me this. And then a few messages later say that I should take her out. Mind you she’s a , young 20 year old light skin, great body. Good job. Owns a house already.
Any guy who’s above a 7 shouldn’t have a problem doing what I do. Because I don’t do anything special. At all.

I’m literally trying to preach that what I’m doing isn’t elaborate or something genius
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I don't do anything elaborate either.

Once I close the number and set up a way to meet, I'm just myself and I still get laid that way. I think that's part of the appeal. The fact that I'm not putting on some FAKE clown show.

The hotness of a woman is very important to me because most women have party pooper personalities and need more attention than their worth. After shooting my load on a woman's forehead I often don't want to see or talk to her again for several days or forever. Would rather get drinks with my buddies who are actually fun to be around.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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