Net Neutrality

[Bible_Belt]

Yes! Fighting the Establishment by cutting taxes for rich people and appointing a cabinet of billionaires! That will teach that Establishment a lesson!

If the US was a democracy, Bernie would have won by a landslide. But we're not, and we never have been. We're a "representative republic," which gives the Establishment control over the political system in many ways, like the Electoral College, scheduling of elections, two-party system and gerrymandering the house & senate districts. The will of the people shall be done...as long as it does not usurp the Establishment.

Have fun with your soaring healthcare premiums next year after the Republicans killed the individual mandate. It will more than eat up what you think you are going to save in taxes. We're all going to wish Bernie had won by the time this president is through.

 

[Bible_Belt]

One is for tyranny, the other is for individual rights. Which do you support I wonder?

You mean like the right to healthcare? education? affordable housing? a living wage? workplace safety? a clean environment?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

You mean like the right to healthcare? education? affordable housing? a living wage? workplace safety? a clean environment?

Nobody has a right to anything that anybody else has to produce.

This is the oldest con in the book one people LOVE to believe.

"Vote for me and I promise you free stuff that you won't have to pay for."

Except they don't say that, they claim those are our "rights."

But I guess since most voters aren't so good at math, they believe in this illogical nonsense.

Just because some guy promised people free stuff (and called them "human rights") people believe it's possible to magically poof things out of thin air (raw materials required to produce all these rights, and the labor required to produce them).

What's even funnier is the goofs who believe their demands for free stuff is actually a signal of some kind of virtue.

But these people who claim free stuff always seem to want others to do their stealing for them.

It's never those who demand the free stuff (or claim human rights) who are the ones who need to produce the free stuff.

Unfortunately, once you have more than half the people demanding free stuff (claiming their right to whatever) and not enough people to produce this free stuff, it's game over.

I'm sure plenty of people in Puerto Rico are claiming their rights to electricity, but it's still dark.

That con works (vote for me and I'll give you free stuff) until it doesn't.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Nobody has a right to anything that anybody else has to produce.

When you're sh!tting on yourself in a nursing home, and still spouting that Libertarian crap out of your other end, then you will have some credibility. But that's not going to happen. When you get to the age where society needs to help you, instead of the other way around, then I think you'll change your tune.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

When you're sh!tting on yourself in a nursing home, and still spouting that Libertarian crap out of your other end, then you will have some credibility. But that's not going to happen. When you get to the age where society needs to help you, instead of the other way around, then I think you'll change your tune.

It's funny how your arguments are never from a structural, sustainable level, but from an individual level. I want something, therefore I should have something. Doesn't matter if it's affordable or sustainable.

And to refute my argument, you can only ascribe those same personal level arguments (that ignore anything regarding sustainability) to me.

As if the whole mathematical concept of sustainability isn't even an issue.

And it's that precise IGNORING of the mathematical limits of spending (and depending on in your example above) of even the existence of other people's money that make situations like Venezuela a horrible reality.

All the people with NO MEDICINE in Venezuela paid into the socialist system and aren't getting SQUAT out the other end BECAUSE those systems are NOT sustainable.

But that's not going to happen.

The reason that's not going to happen is because our economic system will be LONG bankrupt by the time I'm at the sh*tting in my pants stage.

 

[Bible_Belt]

You do know that older people are provided for and given insurance, right?

I'm in a nursing home every night. I see EXACTLY the kind of care that your so-called "insurance" provides, all to make a billionaire's rich boy get even richer. Until you've done that, then you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[sosousage]

this is just another name for acta sopa pipa that didnt go through because of people rejecting it

 

[Bible_Belt]

The reason that's not going to happen is because our economic system will be LONG bankrupt by the time I'm at the sh*tting in my pants stage.

Your smugness is most entertaining! How nice it must be to have a crystal ball that tells you the future of your health.

Are you still 49, or have you hit the big five-oh? Grandma's roommate is 61. She had a stroke and can only move one side of her body, so she's in just as bad of shape as anyone there, diapers and all. There are also developmentally disabled people there who are younger. Hit your head in a car accident, or a slip and fall, and that could be you tomorrow.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Your smugness is most entertaining!

Once again, you respond to structural arguments of sustainability with arguments based on personal situations.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Once again, you respond to structural arguments of sustainability with arguments based on personal situations.

Why would you think that your abstract theories have more value than real world experience? You talk about the way you think the world should be, and I talk about the way it is.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Perhaps you should change the home your loved one is in.

A bed at a much better facility opens up the day after tomorrow, and she is first on the list. The new home does not take the developmentally disabled, so for now I am enjoying my visits for now with the crazy folks.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

You talk about the way you think the world should be, and I talk about the way it is.

Actually, we're both talking about the way the world is.

I'm talking about how the worlds on a big scale.

Politicians promise free stuff.

People believe they can get free stuff.

Politicians take from peter to pay paul, while taking their cut.

More people cry for free stuff.

Politicians compete to see who can best promise free stuff.

The winner takes more stuff from paul to pay peter or peter to pay paul.

Eventually the con ends and the system collapses.

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

You, however, are describing how the world works from a short term, "where's my free stuff" mindset. You seem to not be concerned that the flow of free stuff will eventually run out.

So long as you and yours get some, it's all good.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Why would you think that your abstract theories have more value than real world experience?

They are only abstract to those who have seen this movie, over and over and over.

Study some history, and some economics, not just from a "What can I get out of it" perspective.

You think people in Venezuela think that the idea of running out of free shyte is an abstract theory?

 

[Bible_Belt]

Glad she is going to a better place though. That stuff can really nag at you when you truly love your family. Good luck with it all.

Thank you, my friend, that is nice of you to say. I do enjoy our debates. Happy New Year.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Politicians promise free stuff

Idk how familiar you are with the state of illinois, but pensions are what is bankrupting the state. Teachers, cops, and prison guards, all of which carry political clout. A friend of mine just retired at full pay after 30 years as a guard. Good for him, but that is why we are broke.

Happy New Year to you too, my friend.[/QUOTE]

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

dk how familiar you are with the state of illinois, but pensions are what is bankrupting the state. Teachers, cops, and prison guards, all of which carry political clout. A friend of mine just retired at full pay after 30 years as a guard. Good for him, but that is why we are broke.

Dude, that is EXACTLY my point.

The people getting fat paydays believe it's their right.

But in 20 years or so (probably a lot sooner) those who EXPECT the same payday will claim it's THEIR right, and it HAS been promised, but they ain't getting squat. Since the promises made by politicians FAR EXCEED that which is available.

"Rights" are irrelevant when they exceed what is available.

 

[Bible_Belt]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...steam-in-state-legislatures-after-fcc-repeal/
Net neutrality gaining steam in state legislatures after FCC repeal
Nebraska and California may challenge FCC's attempt to preempt state laws.