Top 10 Reasons Women Avoid Marriage

[RichardTheFrog]

Emotional investment is the answer to your question.

Women want to feel like there is some level of emotional investment coming from the man. Otherwise she will feel like a slut. If you can fake giving a sh*t about a woman, you can get pretty far sexually with them.

Most women are actually pretty stupid. It comes from their over inflated egos and believing everything they see or hear on TV lol. I do 10 times better with women I don't care about over women I actually like. Which is pretty annoying. When I like them its hard to play the game right.

Okay....

So you're telling me if I can fake like I care about a girl...

She will completely forget about her evil/selfish/narcissistic ways?

I'm really not a good liar.

 

[Urbanyst]

Okay....

So you're telling me if I can fake like I care about a girl...

She will completely forget about her evil/selfish/narcissistic ways?

I'm really not a good liar.

She will be just as evil. But women seek out men for resources. If a woman believes you care about her, she will assume she has access to your resources. What is yours becomes hers once you care about her. At least in her mind.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

She will be just as evil. But women seek out men for resources. If a woman believes you care about her, she will assume she has access to your resources. What is yours becomes hers once you care about her. At least in her mind.

Wait...

But the whole point was how do I get sex WITHOUT paying them?

Because dynamically apparently doesn't pay at all.

But now we're right back to me having to share my resources with them.

Btw.... does anyone else find it ironic that females will act like they are equal (or even superior), yet at the same time they will seek out someone to give them money? If they are so "equal," then why can't they make money for themselves? Not to mention the fact that we live in a post-industrial service economy where "work" means sitting in a chair in the air-conditioning. And they can't even do that right?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Wait...

But the whole point was how do I get sex WITHOUT paying them?

Because dynamically apparently doesn't pay at all.

But now we're right back to me having to share my resources with them.

Btw.... does anyone else find it ironic that females will act like they are equal (or even superior), yet at the same time they will seek out someone to give them money? If they are so "equal," then why can't they make money for themselves? Not to mention the fact that we live in a post-industrial service economy where "work" means sitting in a chair in the air-conditioning. And they can't even do that right?

Dude, you shouldnt' have to pay. A woman should choose to spend time and acquire time with you because she wants you. Physical attraction and who you are. If a woman did want to tap some of your resources is it such a terrible thing if she supports you in other ways and improves your quality of life? I personally have no problem with traditional masculinity, but the current generations are taking advantage of it by requiring those resources and services while not appreciating it and offering little to nothing in return.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I asked you a genuine question. My answer (since 2006) is "it's not about who loves me, but how many people I can inspire, uplift, and motivate"...My frame was no longer egocentric. That's the true internally validated frame. And you did not meet me there. So you can't fool me baby girl. Hahahahha. My apprentice @ImTheDoubleGreatest! would say I am great at re-framing people. I like to believe I am already great. I have been to the end of the rainbow. So when I ask you a question, and you answer, your entire soul opens up to me.

Got a notification from this lunatic. To all of those reading, please note that da dynamically placed me on his ignore list because he could not get me suck up to him and I was able to counter all of his posts with responses he had been unable to respond to. He felt like an idiot and that hurt his confidence and ego so he had no choice but to block me. He thinks that everyone still enjoys him and what he has to say, but this is just delusional because he blocks those who try to reason with him, just like the nice guy who won't listen to guys like us telling them that being overly nice to women won't get them laid. Don't listen to this guy.

 

[zekko]

@BeExcellent thinks she is an 8.

I think this raises the question "Is it possible for a 47 year old woman to be an 8?". Once you get into that, it opens a whole can of worms. I took her statement to mean "I'm an 8, for a 47 year old", although I could be mistaken. I kind of think that when you get into different age groups, you have to kind of grade on a curve.

For instance, I've always considered myself a 7. I still maintain that self image, although I'm 56 now, should I really consider myself still a 7? If you go by what Mystery said, that women peak at 18-24, should I judge myself by how an 18 year old sees me? Men age better than women, but I am getting up there. I had a friend who was 52 who was regularly banging 18 year olds. I think there's a difference in banging a girl and keeping her around long term though. Every bit of pickup material I've ever read about old men banging younger girls has always said keep it light, and don't expect anything serious.

Just for inner game purposes, should an older woman start thinking "Hey, I'm a 3 now"? How would that be good for a person's self esteem? I'm all about being realistic though. Should I start thinking of myself as a lower number just because I'm older? Or should I "grade on a curve" and consider myself a 7 for a 56 year old. Heck, for a 56 year old I may even be an 8 now, lol.

Bear in mind, I rate fairly strictly. I don't believe in 10s (which means I reject the ridiculous notion that we should all consider ourselves 10s). I could count on one hand the number of women I've known that I would rate as 9 or above. In my view, 8s are damn rare also. To me, the vast, vast majority of "hot" women are 7s. 6s are cute or doable. 5s I might think about, but ultimately I'm not going to do it.

 

[bigneil]

I think this raises the question "Is it possible for a 47 year old woman to be an 8?".

I know you're trying to go easy on her, but let's face it: BeExcellent is delusional if she thinks a 48 year old woman with 3 kids is an 8 on a global scale (note that she did NOT rate my 20 year old girlfriend an 8, she stated that she knows college cheerleaders who are WAY, WAY hotter that my girls). So, unless I'm mistaken, BeExcellent is telling SS that SHE is hotter TODAY than my 20 year old girlfriend was. And hence, she claims to be dating much better men than me. And of course, she was even hotter when she was younger. Hotter than the hottest girl I ever dated. Ok.

I'd like to put an old photo of BeExcellent on PhotoFeeler. We can rate her based on her hottest day.

 

[zekko]

I know you're trying to go easy on her, but let's face it

Honestly, I think it's a fascinating question. Certainly if you're some 20 year old dude on here wanting to learn how to DJ, it's doubtful you're going to find many people past 30 attractive.

Heartiste (who I was never a big fan of) has a SMV test for men, and you lose out on a lot of points if you're older. I never did very well on this test, lol.
I always thought he was rewarding a certain type of guy, probably the type of guy he is:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/dating-market-value-test-for-men/

Since he penalizes for age, I wonder through what age group's eyes he is supposedly testing for? Club age people, I guess.

Here's his test for women, where he subtracts 10 points (yikes) if she is over 46.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/dating-market-value-test-for-women/

 

[bigneil]

Honestly, I think it's a fascinating question. Certainly if you're some 20 year old dude on here wanting to learn how to DJ, it's doubtful you're going to find many people past 30 attractive.

Heartiste (who I was never a big fan of) has a SMV test for men, and you lose out on a lot of points if you're older. I never did very well on this test, lol.
I always thought he was rewarding a certain type of guy, probably the type of guy he is:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/dating-market-value-test-for-men/

Since he penalizes for age, I wonder through what age group's eyes he is supposedly testing for? Club age people, I guess.

Here's his test for women, where he subtracts 10 points (yikes) if she is over 46.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/dating-market-value-test-for-women/

Heartiste deducts 1 point if you are over 6'4"?

And deducts 1 point if your IQ is over 130?

And calls engineers neutral status, while saying someone who makes over $90K is high status (even if over 40)?

This is just his guesswork.

 

[zekko]

This is just his guesswork.

As I said before, I'm not a fan. I don't put much stock into his views.
A lot of his articles are like reading essays arguing that 1+1=3.

 

[AttackFormation]

As I said before, I'm not a fan. I don't put much stock into his views.
A lot of his articles are like reading essays arguing that 1+1=3.

Imo much or most of popular red pill content is just as poisonous for young men if not more so, as the blue pill stuff it claims to defend against. Heartiste is a good example of that.

 

[zekko]

Imo much or most of popular red pill content like is just as poisonous for young men if not more so, as the blue pill stuff it claims to defend against. Heartiste is a good example of that.

I'm surprised to find the agreement, honestly. I thought he was fairly popular on here, or at least he used to be.

 

[Urbanyst]

Imo much or most of popular red pill content is just as poisonous for young men if not more so, as the blue pill stuff it claims to defend against. Heartiste is a good example of that.

You think so?

What are some examples of damaging Red Pill ideas you believe to be way off base?

 

[bigneil]

I still scored in the 15-20 range (it's a fuzzy test), but I agree it's not great. I didn't look at the female test, but fertility matters.

 

[AttackFormation]

You think so?

What are some examples of damaging Red Pill ideas you believe to be way off base?

It's not so much the ideas themselves as it is both their presentation by the author, and whether you are able to absorb the information in a way that is constructive to your life. Rollo's blog is an example of a good source (though it was a long time ago since I read any source now) because he's not petty or negative in his writing. But even if he's not, a hurt or lost guy is likely to read it and find excuses for why he doesn't need to change and to justify his self-pity because that's his own emotional state. So it's both the conveying of information and the reader's own emotional state that matters. I just think it's altogether better to focus on what you can do with your life and the happiness you can create yourself, instead of reading about women.

 

[Urbanyst]

It's not so much the ideas themselves as it is both their presentation by the author, and whether you are able to absorb the information in a way that is constructive to your life. Rollo's blog is an example of a good source (though it was a long time ago since I read any source now) because he's not petty or negative in his writing. But even if he's not, a hurt or lost guy is likely to read it and find excuses for why he doesn't need to change and to justify his self-pity because that's his own emotional state. So it's both the conveying of information and the reader's own emotional state that matters. I just think it's altogether better to focus on what you can do with your life and the happiness you can create yourself, instead of reading about women.

The current culture sets up somewhat of a lose-lose situation for most men. Here is a list of choices every man has and how society will react/judge his choice:

*Man chooses to stay single = Society questions his sexuality.. might be a homo
*Man chooses to play the field/spin plates = He is a pig, dog or some other animal with four legs
*Man chooses to date only young hot women = He deals with constant competition from other men and female branch swinging/rejection
*Man settles for low quality woman (most common woman around) = Man is miserable and deals with bad sex and sh*t tests regularly
*Man gets married = No sex life. Sh*t tests. Little power or choice in his relationship. High risk of financial suicide.
*Man goes MGTOW = He is a failure who hates women

Every choice is a sh*t sandwich only with different toppings. And as much as I give no f*cks what people think about my dating life.. I DO care about my MONEY and career. Climbing the ladder requires a certain level of social status which means you have to keep up appearances on some level.

In some ways, men are FORCED to engage women even when its not good for their emotional, financial or mental health. How do those red pills taste?

 

[Who Dares Win]

The current culture sets up somewhat of a lose-lose situation for most men. Here is a list of choices every man has and how society will react/judge his choice:

*Man chooses to stay single = Society questions his sexuality.. might be a homo
*Man chooses to play the field/spin plates = He is a pig, dog or some other animal with four legs
*Man chooses to date only young hot women = He deals with constant competition from other men and female branch swinging/rejection
*Man settles for low quality woman (most common woman around) = Man is miserable and deals with bad sex and sh*t tests regularly
*Man gets married = No sex life. Sh*t tests. Little power or choice in his relationship. High risk of financial suicide.
*Man goes MGTOW = He is a failure who hates women

Every choice is a sh*t sandwich only with different toppings. And as much as I give no f*cks what people think about my dating life.. I DO care about my MONEY and career. Climbing the ladder requires a certain level of social status which means you have to keep up appearances on some level.

In some ways, men are FORCED to engage women even when its not good for their emotional, financial or mental health. How do those red pills taste?

I have the same problem, work dinners where all the people I need to associate with start to flirt and seek women in the area...and I have to pretend I share such desire with them.

Same thing with the dating and meeting women, I would really just do the job done, get the reward and be productive with no hassle.

Apparently if you dont date, are married or anything connected with women you lose points even in fields with no connection to it.

 

[zekko]

I still scored in the 15-20 range (it's a fuzzy test), but I agree it's not great. I didn't look at the female test, but fertility matters.

Well, you certainly scored better than I did. I know the "right" answers to the test, but some of those I simply cannot answer right because they are such cliched PUA behaviors. Like "No, but you can buy me a drink". It's not a bad response, it's just so corny and it's in like every pickup book ever written. You might as well tell a girl "Now I'm going to neg you". And who the heck crosses a room to talk someone and then turns their back to them and talks to them over their shoulder? It's just asinine.

If you read some of the comments, a lot of the readers rip that test. One problem is that it looks hopelessly dated.

Rollo's blog is an example of a good source (though it was a long time ago since I read any source now) because he's not petty or negative in his writing.

I believe your observation is correct. Interesting that you point that out though, because Rollo was a big supporter of Heartiste.

 

[John Constantine]

Emotional investment is the answer to your question.

Women want to feel like there is some level of emotional investment coming from the man. Otherwise she will feel like a slut. If you can fake giving a sh*t about a woman, you can get pretty far sexually with them.

Most women are actually pretty stupid. It comes from their over inflated egos and believing everything they see or hear on TV lol. I do 10 times better with women I don't care about over women I actually like. Which is pretty annoying. When I like them its hard to play the game right.

This is the absolute truth

 

[devilkingx2]

I know you're trying to go easy on her, but let's face it: BeExcellent is delusional if she thinks a 48 year old woman with 3 kids is an 8 on a global scale (note that she did NOT rate my 20 year old girlfriend an 8, she stated that she knows college cheerleaders who are WAY, WAY hotter that my girls). So, unless I'm mistaken, BeExcellent is telling SS that SHE is hotter TODAY than my 20 year old girlfriend was. And hence, she claims to be dating much better men than me. And of course, she was even hotter when she was younger. Hotter than the hottest girl I ever dated. Ok.

I'd like to put an old photo of BeExcellent on PhotoFeeler. We can rate her based on her hottest day.

I'd argue that @BeExcellent could easily be an 8/10 if she's as rich as she says/implies she is.

jennifer aniston is pretty bangable even if she isn't as hot as she was on friends, if BeExcellent is loaded enough to afford personal trainers, plastic surgery and expensive makeup, why is it hard to believe that she could be rather good looking?