"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Is It Time To Drop This Plate? 3 flakes

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I said it once and I'll say it again, stop trying to figure this sloot out. Yes, the sex is amazing, but you're driving yourself crazy because of it, which exactly where she wants you.

She knows deep down there is weakness in you and using sex as her tool to get you to submit. The kinkier she can be and also portray herself to be, the more likely she will get what she wants. I fell for that kinky sex trap before, all it did was fuk me up mentally, probably forever.

She probably never meant any of that gang bang crap, she knows the dirtier the thoughts she embeds in your mind, the more you will want to keep her around.

Then, when you ask her for the 3-4some, she will say "no" cause she magically caught feelings for you and only wants you, not anyone else to join.

You're left confused and maybe she thinks by saying she has feelings for you, you will fall victim to her game, catch feelings for her and submit to a RS, while forgetting about those broken promises.

For the sake of humanity, don't post another thread on this b!ch!
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I said it once and I'll say it again, stop trying to figure this sloot out. Yes, the sex is amazing, but you're driving yourself crazy because of it, which exactly where she wants you.

She knows deep down there is weakness in you and using sex as her tool to get you to submit. The kinkier she can be and also portray herself to be, the more likely she will get what she wants. I fell for that kinky sex trap before, all it did was fuk me up mentally, probably forever.

She probably never meant any of that gang bang crap, she knows the dirtier the thoughts she embeds in your mind, the more you will want to keep her around.

Then, when you ask her for the 3-4some, she will say "no" cause she magically caught feelings for you and only wants you, not anyone else to join.

You're left confused and maybe she thinks by saying she has feelings for you, you will fall victim to her game, submit to a RS and forget about those broken promises.

For the sake of humanity, don't post another thread on this b!ch!

You could be right man.. anyway I feel liberated already.. I hope she has luck finding an RS elsewhere
 

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Guys I have one final final final question regarding this matter, before I put this thread to sleep..

I blocked her on whatsapp, but she managed to get a normal text message through to me today.

HER - If you had given me more, this would not have happened


I feel like texting her back and just letting her know, that by controling the sex, and sending me a meme that was pretty much a threat..

By being manipulative, rather than just talking to me like an adult, she infact ruled herself out, of a relationship with me..

Or i could just completely ignore her.

I know ignoring is defo the best option, but I also feel like letting her know that she did herself no favours.
 

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Guys I have one final final final question regarding this matter, before I put this thread to sleep..

I blocked her on whatsapp, but she managed to get a normal text message through to me today.

HER - If you had given me more, this would not have happened


I feel like texting her back and just letting her know, that by controling the sex, and sending me a meme that was pretty much a threat..

By being manipulative, rather than just talking to me like an adult, she infact ruled herself out, of a relationship with me..

Or i could just completely ignore her.

I know ignoring is defo the best option, but I also feel like letting her know that she did herself no favours.
Why would you need to explain to her how HER game is played? She knows exactly what she is doing.

Trying to tell her what you want will only cause you more drama. She will blame you for everything thas going wrong anyway.

The fact you even said "relationship" with a sloot shows you have some work to do. That good sex got you deep in your core, its hard to let go.

Biches like this deserve nothing more than having some fun and tossing out for good with no explanation. They do it to themselves, but blame others for their misfortune.

I wish I was smart enough at the time to see through my last gf's bs, as she seems like a splitting image of this chick. Using sex as a weapon to get in a RS, then being controlling and manipulative.
 

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Why would you need to explain to her how HER game is played? She knows exactly what she is doing.

Trying to tell her what you want will only cause you more drama. She will blame you for everything thas going wrong anyway.

The fact you even said "relationship" with a sloot shows you have some work to do. That good sex got you deep in your core, its hard to let go.

Biches like this deserve nothing more than having some fun and tossing out for good with no explanation. They do it to themselves, but blame others for their misfortune.

I wish I was smart enough at the time to see through my last gf's bs, as she seems like a splitting image of this chick. Using sex as a weapon to get in a RS, then being controlling and manipulative.

Well at least you are out of that situation now mate.. I decided to just go with my gut on this one.

Once they start to use sex as a weapon to get what they want.. after that it's a very slippery slope!

If you give into that chit.. she will again use that tactic, time and time again..

She doesn't feel like your commiting enough? The Sex Will Stop

She doesn't feel like your putting her on a pedestal? The Sex Will Stop

And so it continues.. better off out of situations like this.. but it's very HARD when the sex is so damn good, and she will do literally ANYTHING in the sack.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Well at least you are out of that situation now mate.. I decided to just go with my gut on this one.

Once they start to use sex as a weapon to get what they want.. after that it's a very slippery slope!

If you give into that chit.. she will again use that tactic, time and time again..

She doesn't feel like your commiting enough? The Sex Will Stop

She doesn't feel like your putting her on a pedestal? The Sex Will Stop

And so it continues.. better off out of situations like this.. but it's very HARD when the sex is so damn good, and she will do literally ANYTHING in the sack.
We need to see pics of this one
 

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She looks addicting and seductive with evil intentions behind those eyes.
 

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She looks addicting and seductive with evil intentions behind those eyes.

Thats the thing bro... from day one I knew she was not RS material... NO CHANCE

But sex wise she was TOTALLY submissive.. did everything I wanted her to do.. that was her thrill, to have a dom use her, and abuse her sexualy..

But once she apparently caught feels for me, all that chit changed.. she suddenly stopped all sexual talk all together.. she probably wanted me to take her seriously

Anyhow as addictive as the sex was.. when the manipulation and games start... it's time to dump and move on..

Now with zero plates... starting from scratch again!
 
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Why would she even think i would give her GF status?

I mean she even expressed a desire for upto 4 guys to tie her up and use her, abuse her sexualy at the same time? LOL

She later backed out doing it few weeks down the line.. and said she only wants to fuk me.. but the desire was still there!

She mentioned once to, bring one of my friends over to fuk her lol both of us at the same time.

I was only seeing her 2 months or so.. even in a normal situation, that is too soon to start talking about commitment.
She went about it the wrong way for sure. Nothing wrong with her wanting sex but she started off acting like a casual sexual arrangement and unfortunately it can be hard to rewind that as she already established herself as a plate not a girlfriend. I mean she did sleep with you the same day she met you right? I'm sure she's a nice person and hopefully she can take something from this and find what she's looking for.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Thats the thing bro... from day one I knew she was not RS material... NO CHANCE

But sex wise she was TOTALLY submissive.. did everything I wanted her to do.. that was her thrill, to have a dom use her, and abuse her sexualy..

But once she apparently caught feels for me, all that chit changed.. she suddenly stopped all sexual talk all together.. she probably wanted me to take her seriously

Anyhow as addictive as the sex was.. when the manipulation and games start... it's time to dump and move on..

Now with zero plates... starting from scratch again!

I cant say for sure, but almost every story Ive read about Cluster B's starts off almost exactly like yours did. You feel it in your gut right away. Im so fuked in the head from dealing with that BPD for two years and all that kinky chit. I cant' even move on.
Sucks to lose good pu$$y, but ones sanity is worth way more than a piece to pootang. Be thankful, these types of women are toxic AF!
 

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She went about it the wrong way for sure. Nothing wrong with her wanting sex but she started off acting like a casual sexual arrangement and unfortunately it can be hard to rewind that as she already established herself as a plate not a girlfriend. I mean she did sleep with you the same day she met you right? I'm sure she's a nice person and hopefully she can take something from this and find what she's looking for.
She had sex with me within one hour of coming straight to my house.. didn't even meet in public first
 

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She went about it the wrong way for sure. Nothing wrong with her wanting sex but she started off acting like a casual sexual arrangement and unfortunately it can be hard to rewind that as she already established herself as a plate not a girlfriend. I mean she did sleep with you the same day she met you right? I'm sure she's a nice person and hopefully she can take something from this and find what she's looking for.

I agree with you.. she was not an evil person.. but by handing over her vagina to me on a plate.. she became a plate..

Then she fuked up even more by using threats and manipulation in order to give her more commitment..

This infact made me realise even more, that she was only worthy of sex and NOTHING more.

I hope she learns from this experience too.. instead of just passing the blame off.
 

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I agree with you.. she was not an evil person.. but by handing over her vagina to me on a plate.. she became a plate..

Then she fuked up even more by using threats and manipulation in order to give her more commitment..

This infact made me realise even more, that she was only worthy of sex and NOTHING more.

I hope she learns from this experience too.. instead of just passing the blame off.
She looks old enough that she will probably not learn from this till her looks fade. They are so used to getting what they want thru sex, that they plow through men knowing soon enough a men will submit to her game. Wouldn't be surprised if she does this on the regular, but her RS don't last put a 1-3 months.
 
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“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Guys I have one final final final question regarding this matter, before I put this thread to sleep..

I blocked her on whatsapp, but she managed to get a normal text message through to me today.

HER - If you had given me more, this would not have happened


I feel like texting her back and just letting her know, that by controling the sex, and sending me a meme that was pretty much a threat..

By being manipulative, rather than just talking to me like an adult, she infact ruled herself out, of a relationship with me..

Or i could just completely ignore her.

I know ignoring is defo the best option, but I also feel like letting her know that she did herself no favours.
Classic blameshifting/gaslighting tactic.

Notice how she puts it all on you and takes no responsibility for her actions. It works because it's based on the truth. This "relationship" was uneven to start. While she may have said she accepted being a plate, she never was. However, you knew that you were ever going to give her a relationship so she's guilting you. The problem is that she's taking no responsability for allowing it to happen.
 

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Damn this girl is so fricking persistent!

Text off her last night..

HER - If you change your mind, then get in touch, we can go back to how things used to be

I am tempted to bang her again, as i have zero plates at the moment, but I have some serious doubts.

She will probably go hot/cold on me again, if I do not give her an RS or something close to an RS

I have done a list of positives and negatives, on why I fear any RS with her would be a fuking nightmare..

Also if I caught feels for this girl, then things could get messy!


Negatives

01. Met her on pof

02. Came straight to my house, no public meet

03. Sex within half an hour

04. She seemed ok to keep things sexual

05. She agreed to take part in a 3sum

06. She mentioned on more than several occasions to bring one of my friends over to fuk her too

07. She started using sex as a tool or a weapon, when I would not give her more in the form of an RS

08. All sex talk completely stopped, she banned it

09. She sent a meme, which was more like a threat, basically letting me know, If I don't treat her like a GF then she is gone (threat)

10. She flaked 3 times, most probably because she is unsure about her feelings

11. She has a friend filling her head about me, that is why she is getting cold

12. She ended it with me some weeks ago, because she decided she did not want to have sex with anyone other than me.. again she could have spoke to me about this matter, rather than ending it.. again her friend gave her the advise to end it.


Positives

01. Nice person

02. High interest level

03. Submissive

I ended it with her 3 days ago... my gut instinct is, this will be more trouble than it is worth..

I will never be able to trust a chick like this.. so may aswell leave her dumped???
 

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Damn this girl is so fricking persistent!

Text off her last night..

HER - If you change your mind, then get in touch, we can go back to how things used to be

I am tempted to bang her again, as i have zero plates at the moment, but I have some serious doubts.

She will probably go hot/cold on me again, if I do not give her an RS or something close to an RS

I have done a list of positives and negatives, on why I fear any RS with her would be a fuking nightmare..

Also if I caught feels for this girl, then things could get messy!


Negatives

01. Met her on pof

02. Came straight to my house, no public meet

03. Sex within half an hour

04. She seemed ok to keep things sexual

05. She agreed to take part in a 3sum

06. She mentioned on more than several occasions to bring one of my friends over to fuk her too

07. She started using sex as a tool or a weapon, when I would not give her more in the form of an RS

08. All sex talk completely stopped, she banned it

09. She sent a meme, which was more like a threat, basically letting me know, If I don't treat her like a GF then she is gone (threat)

10. She flaked 3 times, most probably because she is unsure about her feelings

11. She has a friend filling her head about me, that is why she is getting cold

12. She ended it with me some weeks ago, because she decided she did not want to have sex with anyone other than me.. again she could have spoke to me about this matter, rather than ending it.. again her friend gave her the advise to end it.


Positives

01. Nice person

02. High interest level

03. Submissive

I ended it with her 3 days ago... my gut instinct is, this will be more trouble than it is worth..

I will never be able to trust a chick like this.. so may aswell leave her dumped???
I think the lack of options led you to keep her around, and I think the same lack is causing you to reconsider dumping. Answer, procure more options.
 

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I think the lack of options led you to keep her around, and I think the same lack is causing you to reconsider dumping. Answer, procure more options.

You could be right.. right now i have zero plates..

And she is willing to see me again.. but it will be a matter of time till the games start again, if she feels I am not giving her enough.

She actually is a nice person, but giving her a RS under these circumstances, feels somewhat bonkers to me?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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