"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

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So, she knows i want to just ****., anything else i need to do on my part?

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She knows i want to fack, i told her in a straight forward manner.

Background: 1st date went fine. We had lots of kino, hugging,
Fast forward 3 days
Text convo summary
Milf: So, u just want to have sex with me right?
Me: Yes
MILF: Well, then, ill just introduce you to other woman from work for that sort of thing. etc etc.
--end of text-- ( I deleted her number already after that)

Fast forward 6 months, she sees me at casino, she takes me out to dinner there. She asked me if i had gf, she said he broke up with bf etc etc... There was light kino.. then i told her we should see a movie together. She said, i dont normally watch movies, but ill try it once.

Fast forward 3 days later, i see her at casino, she asked me to dinner again.
Below is just a sumary.
Me: Hey, put your number in, i forgot i lost it (but i really deleted it from long ago)
Her: oh, i dont use phones anymore, too many people calling me.

Anyway,
WTF? So, MY QUESTION IS, DO I STILL NEED TO TRY HERE????????????????? I feel like if i keep TRYING, ill be sounding needy. OR IS IT UP TO HER NOW? SHE IS A MILF, SHE SHOULD KNOW WHAT SHE WANTS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

tnx
 
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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She knows i want to fack, i told her in a straight forward manner.

Background: 1st date went fine. We had lots of kino, hugging,
Fast forward 3 days
Text convo summary
Milf: So, u just want to have sex with me right?
Me: Yes
MILF: Well, then, ill just introduce you to other woman from work for that sort of thing. etc etc.
--end of text-- ( I deleted her number already after that)

Fast forward 6 months, she sees me at casino, she takes me out to dinner there. She asked me if i had gf, she said he broke up with bf etc etc... There was light kino.. then i told her we should see a movie together. She said, i dont normally watch movies, but ill try it once.

Fast forward 3 days later, i see her at casino, she asked me to dinner again.
Below is just a sumary.
Me: Hey, put your number in, i forgot i lost it (but i really deleted it from long ago)
Her: oh, i dont use phones anymore, too many people calling me.

Anyway,
WTF? So, MY QUESTION IS, DO I STILL NEED TO TRY HERE????????????????? I feel like if i keep TRYING, ill be sounding needy. OR IS IT UP TO HER NOW? SHE IS A MILF, SHE SHOULD KNOW WHAT SHE WANTS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

tnx
She is using you for entertainment. Move along
 

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don't pay for an expensive dinner for her, see if you can smash, don't waste time if you can't, don't waste money until you find out.

she sounds like she's playing games
 

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Punctuation would be a start.

Thank you for not having texted this from an Obamaphone.

(and don't pay for dinner, says the 19 year old who lives with his mommy).
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Punctuation would be a start.

Thank you for not having texted this from an Obamaphone.

(and don't pay for dinner, says the 19 year old who lives with his mommy).
I didn't mean "don't pay for dinner on principle" in that particular post, I meant "don't pay for dinner with a girl who doesn't seem interested enough to bang you"

And even then I said expensive dinner, you can take her to Applebee's for a 2 for 20 kind of thing, but don't get the escargot and caviar

Or in other words, would you lend $100 to someone who doesn't seem like they're going to pay you back? Of course not, $5 maximum
 

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She knows i want to fack, i told her in a straight forward manner.

Background: 1st date went fine. We had lots of kino, hugging,
Fast forward 3 days
Text convo summary
Milf: So, u just want to have sex with me right?
Me: Yes
MILF: Well, then, ill just introduce you to other woman from work for that sort of thing. etc etc.
--end of text-- ( I deleted her number already after that)

Fast forward 6 months, she sees me at casino, she takes me out to dinner there. She asked me if i had gf, she said he broke up with bf etc etc... There was light kino.. then i told her we should see a movie together. She said, i dont normally watch movies, but ill try it once.

Fast forward 3 days later, i see her at casino, she asked me to dinner again.
Below is just a sumary.
Me: Hey, put your number in, i forgot i lost it (but i really deleted it from long ago)
Her: oh, i dont use phones anymore, too many people calling me.

Anyway,
WTF? So, MY QUESTION IS, DO I STILL NEED TO TRY HERE????????????????? I feel like if i keep TRYING, ill be sounding needy. OR IS IT UP TO HER NOW? SHE IS A MILF, SHE SHOULD KNOW WHAT SHE WANTS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

tnx
I don't use phones. Lie.
Everyone uses a phone. Unless they are Mennonite.

Next.
 

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If you hadn't answered yes to wanting to have sex with her, you could have ****ed her six months ago.
This. You should have said you wanted something more. Then pump n dump. You fell for her trap.
 

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This. You should have said you wanted something more. Then pump n dump. You fell for her trap.
isn't letting girls think you're auditioning for provider instead of lover usually a bad thing?

So.... you screw up by letting girl know you just want to f*ck, she offers to introduce you to women she knows for exactly that purpose and your second instinctive reaction was to.... delete her number? Or did you just automatically listen to the automatic "next" advice so often given?
perhaps OP thought she meant "if you want that, I'll give you the number for an escort service" or something along those lines, which is how i personally originally interpreted it
 

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yeah, id hate to be the "desperate guy'.. along those texts she said something like "Oh, what a waste.. i really liked you"

in my head i was going, "i thought she was looking for a no strings attached relationship" because thats WHAT SHE SAID during our dinner talk (just sex, from my understanding and i figured she's in her 40s and would know what she really wanted).

Anyway guys, i moved on. I appreciate the insights. I hate being used as "entertainment" and i hate "crawling and begging". Im not gona go for that carrot at the end of the stick
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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in my head i was going, "i thought she was looking for a no strings attached relationship" because thats WHAT SHE SAID during our dinner talk (just sex, from my understanding and i figured she's in her 40s and would know what she really wanted).
women have all kinds of hangups about dumb sh!t, even most of the ones looking to hookup aren't going to outright admit it (ever been on tinder and see a bunch of morons on tinder saying they don't want hookups?)
 

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BTW

This female is a Filipina , 45 years old, 2 kids, and watching over 2 of her parents and earning money on her own to pay for rent.

maybe..she's never had a casual relationship and not used to it yet. I dont know..
 

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So.... you screw up by letting girl know you just want to f*ck, she offers to introduce you to women she knows for exactly that purpose and your second instinctive reaction was to.... delete her number? Or did you just automatically listen to the automatic "next" advice so often given?

Exaaaactly!

Where are your fun genes? This was fun banter to me, and you totally went serious for nothing! Lol

The fact that she asked you if you just wanted sex is a set up to poon, you just played it totally wrong. If she's asking you a question like that...think about it, you're not in the friend zone. YOU have to start being in the moment and REALLY listening. Though your intentions are good, I can tell by that one exchange that you are not in the moment and kinda in the deep end of the ******* mode ...just picking replies like its guidelines.

Her: you just wanna have sex with me right?
You: Wrong!
Her: *startled look* wrong?!?
You: you think dinner and gazing into my eyes is all its going to take to get in my pants?

If you can't imagine yourself even saying that...you need to work on your fun/aloof personality aspect. You might be too serious.
 

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Also I'll add that "yea" isn't bad. If a girl wants to f*** you it doesn't matter what you say or your personality...BUT in this instance, I can tell by that question she hadn't figured it out yet which is when you have to have a lil game to swing the pendulum.
 

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Props for telling her you just want her for sex.

You lose points for not being sarcastic, when she said she'll introduce her to some friends, should've called her bluff and invited her to a bar only if she brings her friends.

Though some common sense would tell me you use this kind of game on a 18-25 year old, not a 45 year old with 2 kids. Bit of tactical nous goes a long way.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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BTW

This female is a Filipina , 45 years old, 2 kids, and watching over 2 of her parents and earning money on her own to pay for rent.

maybe..she's never had a casual relationship and not used to it yet. I dont know..
a 45 year old woman with 2 kids has been around the block twice as many times as you have.
 

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exactly, so, thats why i just went straight to the point. 45 year old, 2 kids, been around the block..... no games.. right?
 

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exactly, so, thats why i just went straight to the point. 45 year old, 2 kids, been around the block..... no games.. right?
i was just saying that assuming she hasn't done casual relationships makes no sense, she may be stupid enough to continue playing games despite being middle aged
 

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i was just saying that assuming she hasn't done casual relationships makes no sense, she may be stupid enough to continue playing games despite being middle aged
yeahh, your right on. True true. That she hasn't had casual relationships. true true..was my assumption too.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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