"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Decent OLD opening message?

FwoGiZ

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"hi how are you" That's all you need
Do you realise how many of those they get? You gotta stand out a bit...
I don't think your opener is all that good although way better than "Hi how are you"
The reason is in her head, if she agrees to that, it kinda make her a slut so when she reads that, her anti-slut defense kicks in. Being overt and direct is a male language, you gotta talk their language which is covert and subtle.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Wow, has this ever worked for you?
That opener? Someone posted it earlier in the thread.

I don't think your opener is all that good although way better than "Hi how are you"
The reason is in her head, if she agrees to that, it kinda make her a slut so when she reads that, her anti-slut defense kicks in. Being overt and direct is a male language, you gotta talk their language which is covert and subtle.
Good point about ASD, I hadn't considered it.
 

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That opener? Someone posted it earlier in the thread.


Good point about ASD, I hadn't considered it.
Oh ok, I don't think that opener would work on that many women. Direct is best. I used to try to tailor my opener to the woman. I would read their profile and go from there. I didn't have much success and wasted a lot of time on it.

The direct approach has good success and you don't waste much time on it.
 

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"hi how are you" That's all you need
And how does this make her want to respond to you when she has 29 other messages to go through that hour?
 

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And how does this make her want to respond to you when she has 29 other messages to go through that hour?
Be attractive. You're depending on your looks with OLD more than with actual approaches.

Also why I mentioned that I use "Hi <name>." If using her name gets you a 55% return message rate while not using her name gets you 50%, then you want to use her name.

I don't like those corny pick-up lines. They're trash in real life and trash in OLD. Even if you get a response, you'll probably never get a date. Be direct.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Women are dating for entertainment primarily, attraction is secondary but a must too tho.
If you are not entertaining her, I think you are starting behind.

Being direct can work with very young chick that already have a bit of experience 20-25. It won't work with most older 27+ chick since a lot of them are now *bluepilll* ladies that deserves gentlemen/knights because the fun years are behind, they're getting old and need to settle so they can breed.

Obviously there are always exceptions... I went on a date not long ago with a 35yo single mom and it was obviously very different. She had been working out a lot and since she lived in the boondocks, she had no high value guy to show and this is where I came in. This was real easy, being direct worked real well... she was actually the one after me... which I thought was kinda sad but hey, we had fun.
 

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"You are a weapon's grade boner fairy. Fancy a spot of tea?".
 

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I find making fun of them straight off the bat is a certain way to get a response. E.g. just about 20 minutes ago I matched with an 8/10 on Tinder, she had her instagram linked to her profile so I was skimming through and noticed she was wearing a football jersey so my first line was just "....you're a Sharks fan?"
She replied with 3 messages straight after being playful and cheeky.

Tease them about a selfie or something that they're wearing in a pic. "Hey how are you" is as dull as it gets. We don't give a fvck about how they are and how their day is going, we want sexual tension and connection.
 
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