Assad's Slaughterhouse

[Bible_Belt]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...terhouse-amnesty-report-torture-mass-hangings
Assad’s slaughterhouse defies description, but it’s horrifyingly real
According to Amnesty, Saydnaya prison is an extermination centre where starvation and torture are the prelude to mass hangings, up to 50 at a time

Amnesty has gathered testimony from 31 former Saydnaya detainees as well as former guards, and we calculate that between 5,000 to 13,000 people have been hanged at Saydnaya

One former prisoner told me how Saydnaya, like some Dante-esque modern hell, has layers of systematic brutality. “At each stage you reach,” he said, “you discover that the previous stage was actually better, and you start worrying about the next stage”.

 

[logicallefty]

When you hear stuff like this. And about ISIS cutting off heads. And what Hitler did. I can't understand the brain of anyone so nieve to think that this stuff could never happen on American soil. And now we finally have a President who both understands this and is taking action to prevent it. And people are making a fuss. It floors me how people can think sometimes.

 

[Trunks]

The US only cares to the extent it can profit from the war...

 

[Bible_Belt]

I can't understand the brain of anyone so nieve to think that this stuff could never happen on American soil.

It did, actually, at Andersonville, the South's pow prison during the Civil War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andersonville_National_Historic_Site

And speaking of profit from war, this article theorizes the fighting is really about competing oil pipelines:
http://www.ecowatch.com/syria-another-pipeline-war-1882180532.html

Assad and his not-so-moderate opposition are like the Hatfields & McCoys, both sides have been retaliating for as long as they can remember. Assad is a monster, and the opposition fighters are mostly heartless animals, but which came first? It's the chicken and the egg.

 

[Billtx49]

Asleep at the wheel Obama could have stopped some of it if he had the fortitude to do so. One very good reason for an immigration ban to the US from those countries. All those people want to do is kill others.
I say keep the savages out.

 

[YawataNoKami]

Meh........mohamed killing ahmad. I do not care as long as they do it in Sandyland.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

The US only cares to the extent it can profit from the war...

Kinda like when the United States saved the free world in World War II? Liberated Kosovo? Kuwait? Helped to create a free state of South Korea?

I get it. Your position is common among radical leftists. This thread was about Assad. But go ahead and tell us about the USAs secret motives in spite of any and all results, good or bad.

 

[Bokanovsky]

There are no good guys in that conflict. An arab version of Stalin on one side vs. ISIS and Al-Qaeda on the other. At least Assad does not attack Western targets and has no ambition of world domination. That alone makes him preferable to the other guys.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

War is A Racket

War Is a Racket is the title of two works, a speech and a 1935 short book, by Smedley D. Butler, a retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two-time Medal of Honor recipient. Based on his career military experience, Butler frankly discusses how business interests commercially benefit (including war profiteering) from warfare. He had been appointed commanding officer of the Gendarmerie during the United States occupation of Haiti, which lasted from 1915 to 1934.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I'm not a leftist but I agree that the US doesn't have "allies," it has business interests.

That's right, but there is nothing wrong with that. It's ridiculous when people attack the United States for doing business with Saudi Arabia. The United States is completely irrelevant when it comes to the


These are the same anti-war people who think America is too interventionist, but attack the US when they have cordial relations with an evil superpower?

If liberating concentration camps were the noble cause behind the US entering WWII, we would have gotten started a lot earlier than 1941.

The United States didn't want to have a dog in the fight due to the unprecedented casualties in WWI. But when Japan declared war on the United States, we got involved and as a result, saved the free world. We don't have a prosperous and diverse Europe if the Allies lose. Whether that was the very first thing on FDR's mind in 1941 is pretty irrelevant at this point.

War is about money and resources, not doing good.

Fine, but the liberating country gets the credit for the good that's done, whether it was the main reason or an accidental byproduct. That's the way history goes.

I'm not saying you're doing this, but it's really rich when cynics who are not students of history like to read into the secret motives of people who died decades ago, based on what some conspiracy theorists said.

You're omitting a lot of conflicts we avoided, including Serbia, Rwanda, Cambodia, Sudan, and now Syria.

You can't save everybody dude. Like the United States doesn't face enough accusations of hawkishness and intervention. We're damned if we do, damned if we don't.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Jumping into wars in the middle east is part of what it means to be a Republican. They just can't resist.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...g-conventional-ground-troops-for-syria-report
Report: DOD considers recommending ground troops for Syria

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I can't remember who was president in 2016... Was that a republican, or a democrat?

source

While President Obama reduced the number of US soldiers fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, air-strikes proliferated under his leadership.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Conventional troops on the ground is a whole new ball game.

By the way, the end times prophecy that ISIS follows says that the "Armies of Rome" will come to slay them until they are almost defeated. At that point, they believe Jesus will come down from heaven to join sides with ISIS and start kicking the US Army's ass. I wish I was making all this up.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

By the way, the end times prophecy that ISIS follows says that the "Armies of Rome" will come to slay them until they are almost defeated.

Goddamn CIA should be careful who they arm to kill our enemies. When they created Al Qaeda it took them a few decades to turn against us. ISIS went off the rails straightaway. The enemy of my enemy my enemy. How the hell is that supposed to work?

 

[Bible_Belt]

Speaking of Iran, this was what Iranian women looked like in 1960:

 

[Bible_Belt]

That wacky Assad! What crazy plan will this guy come up with next? I bet he's begging Putin for a tactical nuke like a dog begs for meat. Maybe V-lad will slip him some anthrax and he can go bio-warfare next time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...093d24-190a-11e7-8003-f55b4c1cfae2_story.html

Chemical attack kills dozens in Syria as victims foam at the mouth, activists say

 

[Bible_Belt]

Google News lists 681,000 sources for this story....all of them must be fake, right?

 

[Bokanovsky]

Does frequency of fake news make it fact?

You do know "news sites" all basically copy the same story right?

Exactly. Without defending Assad, I wouldn't jump to conclusions as to which side used chemical weapons in this instance. ISIS has, and does use, chemical weapons too. Even the failing New York Times has acknowledged that:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/world/middleeast/isis-chemical-weapons-syria-iraq-mosul.html?_r=0

I am sure that the "moderate opposition" (or whatever name they use for non-ISIS jihadists these days) also has such weapons. They are not that hard to make - or steal from the existing stockpiles.

 

[Bible_Belt]

The opposition doesn't even have planes to drop the sh!t from, much less the weapons themselves, or they would have already used them. Assad is the one who has always had chemical weapons and already used them in the past. Obviously, Assad thinks he can get away with it now, because the Russians are in charge in Syria, not the US, and not any sort of silly International Agreements, like the kind that ban chemical weapons.

Trump has you people shouting "fake news!" at anything you don't want to hear. It's sad to see anyone so incapable of critical thought. I've read this is what it's like in North Korea. At some point in the indoctrination process, you lose your ability to dissent.

 

[Trunks]

Please tell me why the US has any sort of moral responsibility to remove Assad, when money could be better spent tackling domestic problems.