"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Dating the hot girl at work that all the male coworkers want and hate you for

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The girl I'm dating is the only hot babe at work and I'm starting to notice my other male coworkers giving me disrespect and trying to hit on her. I'm not threaten as I watched how they try to game her and they are pretty much AFC and friendzoned as far as I can tell. However, what's bother me is I can sense their jealously and they act on it. For example, I had them try to block me from talking to her, accidentally bump into me, and even outright insult me.

One guy even went as far as not letting me sign her birthday card as he was passing it around to everyone.

Me and the girl are trying to keep it a secret so they don't know we are dating yet but I believe they know she is into me. How do I handle this?

I have noticed that it's mostly the single coworkers that are jealous. The married ones are cool.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Personally I think that your lying, but anyway. Weren't you told on more than one occasion not to mess with your coworkers? How do you handle the situation, you deal with it.
 

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I'm gonna take that to mean my question is too advance for you players to answer :)
 

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Take it to mean you wouldn't listen away.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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You should have ZFG if you're actually screwing her - why would any of your male co-workers' antics actually get under your skin? Wouldn't you just have a good laugh with her about how pathetic their attempts are after sex?

Years back, I was 28 and a TA in grad school. End of the fall semester 2008 I started banging this hot 21 year old undergrad I had been teaching that semester. Did any of her male classmates' pathetic pickup attempts bother me? No, and she and I would laugh it off in bed. The following semester she even told me she got off on the idea of giving me head in the morning and rolling out of bed and running off to class with the guys I'd taught the previous semester.
 

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Well.... what I would do is decide this is not fvcking fun anymore and dump her. Think about it man, dating should be fun. It does not sound like you are having 'fun', so stop.

If you can't laugh at other dudes feeble attempts to attract a women you are interested in, then don;t put yourself in situations like this, especially at work.

Remember YOU are the prize. If the chick is too stupid to see that and picks a weak guy, then forget about her... move on, find someone else.
 

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It sounds like they are bullying you. It's just like disrespect from a woman. You have to call it out and put a stop to it immediately, or else it is just going to get worse.
 

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I would look for a new job.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I once got a new job and found a real beauty at work (5 years older than me), but she was dating a "boy toy" (15 years younger than me). He once came into her cubicle when I was talking with her on a Friday. He ordered me out. So I looked left, then right, then shoved him like 12 feet. He ran to the boss to try to get me fired, but he himself got fired (he really had gone nuts, but I still pleaded with them to spare his job, to no avail). That night she got naked with me. He started stalking my apartment.

Months later, she started dating ANOTHER guy at work (the IT guy no less), and I had to hear her cackling laughter emanating from his cubicle for weeks (see Kevin Spacey in American Beauty as his wife is talking to "The King"). I realized how painful it is when you have feelings for someone at work and they are obviously with someone else. I sympathized with all the guys who probably felt that way when I was obviously dating her.

So I did what any man would do. I f*cked her in the second floor ladies room on a Sunday, then dumped her. Don't date girls at work.
 

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Some days I go on this forum, read a thread and wonder what the fvck OP was thinking. Seriously, what type of thinking gets a man in situations like this. Obviously the "reward > risk" center of the brain is malfunctioning, it's like the bad potential outcomes just doesn't exist in their minds.

Don't do sh!t like that at work unless you know exactly what you're doing and are prepared for any negative consequences, which obviously you are not. Why do I say this? Because if you fvck up at the position that provides your income you're fvcking yourself over. No woman at any workplace or elsewhere is worth more than what supports your own life, they're not worth your income.

What do you do? Well if you continue risking things then you're on your own, we won't hold your hand through every issue related to it. If you want to stop before you're in too deep then don't drop a nuke, poison this relationship just slightly. Not enough to leave her with any negative against you, but just enough to play her down from her high on you. If you drop a bomb and cut it hard and fast you won't have any control, she might make your life a living hell at work and be successful.
 

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First rule, never date at work as you will have to deal with all the drama that surrounds it.

However, those so called "men" you are working with look more like children to me. Why a bunch of grown men would act so pathetically jealous is simply ridiculous. I work around all men and I cannot say that I have seen any behavior like this, in fact I would say that we have a kind of comradery of sorts. I have seen this kind of behavior from females however...
 

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The girl I'm dating is the only hot babe at work and I'm starting to notice my other male coworkers giving me disrespect and trying to hit on her. I'm not threaten as I watched how they try to game her and they are pretty much AFC and friendzoned as far as I can tell. However, what's bother me is I can sense their jealously and they act on it. For example, I had them try to block me from talking to her, accidentally bump into me, and even outright insult me.

One guy even went as far as not letting me sign her birthday card as he was passing it around to everyone.

Me and the girl are trying to keep it a secret so they don't know we are dating yet but I believe they know she is into me. How do I handle this?

I have noticed that it's mostly the single coworkers that are jealous. The married ones are cool.
The fuk.............
 

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Never date your co-workers. Ever.

Here is some more advice...don't date your co-workers.

Another thing I heard from some random dude....don't date your co-workers.

I always make fun of people who date in the office only because I was guilty of it once and it ended BADLY. It shows just extreme lack of options, and professionalism. I think it reflects poorly on the employee because they can easily be labeled on someone not entirely focused on their tasks and what they were hired to do.

Good luck.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I plan to commit and marry her someday. I don't think it'll end up badly. In the past the only time I've made girls mad were when I was chasing other women. This time I will not be chasing anyone else. I think the advice of not to date your coworker only applies when you are sleeping around.
 

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I plan to commit and marry her someday. I don't think it'll end up badly. In the past the only time I've made girls mad were when I was chasing other women. This time I will not be chasing anyone else. I think the advice of not to date your coworker only applies when you are sleeping around.
Marriage? How have you known this chick?
 

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Smells like a Troll, or a very niave person! U shud have gud enough abilty to get a.chick outside of work that wont bring drama to ur job, just lazy, desperate and thinking with.ur ****!!! Billions of.females out their, u have no reason to.be.****ting on ur doorstep!!!
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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