Gun Laws: Whats the beef?

[SmooveMooves]

Teary Eyed Obama made some changes to the Gun laws recently. While I don't believe he should have simply because, its futile and unecessary.

Some people are royally pissed. And I have no idea why. Some people are angry to the point you would think Obama just banned guns. Am I missing something here?

 

[Tictac]

I've been a hunter and shooter my entire life. And I fully support the Second Amendment. As Obama's Executive Order goes into place, nearly 40% of gun sales take place at some combination of Internet sites or gun shows. For states with low intensity purchase regulations and restrictions, that can mean that there is no, or essentially no, background check for purchasers in those states.

If you're going to have federal checks, the federal requirements for background checks should be equal whether the purchases are from retailers in stores, at shows or on the Internet. If I read correctly, that's what this EO does. It merely equalizes how purchases are made regardless of how or where you buy them. By virtue of state laws, states still have control of who may own long guns and hand guns. But all states' laws will, regardless of purchase site, still apply.

It will not change a damned thing as far as gun violence and gun crime are concerned.

And while it will take two years or more, the EO (or EOs) will be overturned in the courts.

 

[logicallefty]

I'm a pretty solid conservative in a State with some of the strictest gun laws already and I'm still trying to figure out what will change for Illinois if Obamas stuff holds.. background checks? We already have them with the FOID card and newly passed ccw permits.. Mental health reporting? We already have that for inpatient mental health care, but not out patient.. So having to become a licensed dealer to sell a gun to my buddy, yeah that will be inconvenient.. I don't think I'm understanding all of it or I'm going to have to agree that it's not as bad as what they're making it. At least not for Illinois. I would like to continue to discuss this topic but Will have to close this thread if any nonsense starts up, as these topics often do..

 

[YawataNoKami]

Meanwhile, North Korea text a Hydrogen Bomb ; in Germany thousands of refugees™ sexually assault,rape,rob people in New Years Eve. But do not worry our great commander in chief is gonna fix all that ; you know ; after the crying and sobbing.

Does any of you knows voodoo,santeria,witchcraft? Anyone? Can somebody summons the spirits of Teddy Roosevelt or Harry Truman or maybe Jackson.

Hordes of refugees™ are taking Europe under assault.One of our greatest enemies is texting a H-Bomb and our leader is criying.


Happy Three Kings Day

 

[backseatjuan]

Hordes of refugees™ are taking Europe under assault.One of our greatest enemies is texting a H-Bomb and our leader is criying.

This sentance made me jiggle, I'm sorry. Let me take it apart please. Firstly, let's divide your sentance into two parts, first part are the refugees, and second part is the greatest enemy.

1) Muammar Gaddafi said on camera in one of his interviews, that strong Libya prevents hundreds of thousands of refugees from Africa entering Europe, and fall of Libya will result in terrorism in Europe.

2) North Korea is an isolated political island surrounded by sea of sanctions. I just do not see North Korea posing a threat to anyone, whether it has an H-Bomb or not. Indeed North Korea is a comical threat, a boogey man that the big brother has created to keep you scared and ****ting in your own pants.

With one and two in mind, let's ask now, what country caused the refugee problem in Europe? The correct answer the United States. The United States is responsible for refugee problem in Europe. The United States is lying to you about boogy men, they lyed to you about Gaddafi and they lying to you about the danger that the North Korea poses. They are lying to you about this in order to shape your opinion and to make you support and do evil stuff in the world, which in the long term shapes the world in favor of the United States.

Germany is a powerful European economy, it needs Russian natural resources, and Russian markets for sales. United economically, Germany and Russia are an unstappable force (by US own admittance), which will control Europe and force the US control to deminish in Europe. The best way to destroy enemy fleet is to not let build your enemy a fleet, as we all know. Thus the United States creates wars, economic instabilities, and other political disasters across the globe, in advance, to achieve its own global dominance.

The United States needs you, the people of the United States, in order to achieve its national (corporate) shadow agenda. The United States needs you to obey, and not be able to stand up and take arms. The latest gun law is just an example of pre-emptive strike of your out of control government against its own people.

 

[Tictac]

This sentance made me jiggle, I'm sorry. Let me take it apart please. Firstly, let's divide your sentance into two parts, first part are the refugees, and second part is the greatest enemy.

1) Muammar Gaddafi said on camera in one of his interviews, that strong Libya prevents hundreds of thousands of refugees from Africa entering Europe, and fall of Libya will result in terrorism in Europe.

2) North Korea is an isolated political island surrounded by sea of sanctions. I just do not see North Korea posing a threat to anyone, whether it has an H-Bomb or not. Indeed North Korea is a comical threat, a boogey man that the big brother has created to keep you scared and ****ting in your own pants.

With one and two in mind, let's ask now, what country caused the refugee problem in Europe? The correct answer the United States. The United States is responsible for refugee problem in Europe. The United States is lying to you about boogy men, they lyed to you about Gaddafi and they lying to you about the danger that the North Korea poses. They are lying to you about this in order to shape your opinion and to make you support and do evil stuff in the world, which in the long term shapes the world in favor of the United States.

Germany is a powerful European economy, it needs Russian natural resources, and Russian markets for sales. United economically, Germany and Russia are an unstappable force (by US own admittance), which will control Europe and force the US control to deminish in Europe. The best way to destroy enemy fleet is to not let build your enemy a fleet, as we all know. Thus the United States creates wars, economic instabilities, and other political disasters across the globe, in advance, to achieve its own global dominance.

The United States needs you, the people of the United States, in order to achieve its national (corporate) shadow agenda. The United States needs you to obey, and not be able to stand up and take arms. The latest gun law is just an example of pre-emptive strike of your out of control government against its own people.

You live in an oligarchic kleptocracy controlled by a goon that has his opposition murdered in the streets.

 

[backseatjuan]

You live in an oligarchic kleptocracy controlled by a goon that has his opposition murdered in the streets.

Why do you have skull & bones logo in your avatar? Why do you change subject? Why do you regurgitate the widely accepted in the United States bull ****?

 

[Tictac]

Why do you have skull & bones logo in your avatar? Why do you change subject? Why do you regurgitate the widely accepted in the United States bull ****?

Russia, in order to achieve its oligarchic, kleptocratic shadow agenda needs you to obey, and not be able to stand up and take arms.

Your regurgitated view of the 'US bull****' is as funny as it is pathetic. You cannot see or will not recognize your own regurgitated view but feel free to spew crap about everywhere but your own back yard.

 

[backseatjuan]

Russia, in order to achieve its oligarchic, kleptocratic shadow agenda needs you to obey, and not be able to stand up and take arms.

You know of that country only from books and television, you know nothing. The reason for you spewing vomit about nothing you know of is to change the subject, because I hit the problem right in its head. It is dangerous to talk about the subject of WHY GUNS ARE BEING SLOWLY OUTLAWED IN THE UNITED STATES. I do not believe you are ignorant of this problem, I belive you see the problem as necessety.

 

[Tictac]

You know of that country only from books and television, you know nothing. The reason for you spewing vomit about nothing you know of is to change the subject, because I hit the problem right in its head. It is dangerous to talk about the subject of WHY GUNS ARE BEING SLOWLY OUTLAWED IN THE UNITED STATES. I do not believe you are ignorant of this problem, I belive you see the problem as necessety.

All you hit was your head. Your typing is regurgitated propaganda, delivered to you in your virtual police state.

I bought two handguns and a shotgun last year in one of the most heavily regulated gun states in the US. Let's hear about your firearms purchases last year in your Russian dystopia. My rights are guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. You don't have rights. You have obligations to do what you are told by whim of the state or else.

You are ignorant by your own choice. You typing something does not make it true. You typing something over and over does not make it true. All you typing and re-typing your crap will do is further damage your head by virtue of repetitive stress injury.

 

[hanni]

We know where you pos's want to take us with your gun laws and we aint going. We have the guns, we're not giving them up and if you try to take them from us, we'll kill you. Plain and simple.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far, away, dear ole Rex had the opportunity to have dinner here,

A fine eatery indeed. Rex ordered the filet mignon, mashed potatoes, and creamy spinach, then proceeded to indulge and savor the best meal he's ever had in a restaurant to date. The dinner was followed by dessert, Glenfiddich 18 year old, and (with the exception of the best,) the best part cigars. Yes kiddies, there was a point in time when one could smoke cigars at the table of a restaurant, then the anti smoking Nazi zealots came.

Anti-smoking legislation started innocently and reasonable enough with prohibitions against tobacco use hospitals, airplanes, and workplaces. I can understand smoking bans in aseptic environments such as hospitals. I can understand banning smoking on airplanes. As cool as it would be to enjoy a stick on that long ass transcontinental flight to CA, airplanes just aren't conducive environments for smoking. The quarters are too close and cramped, in addition, you do have to keep in mind that everybody isn't found of smell of tobacco, especially cigars. Which is the same reason I can understand a workplace ban.

However, the what was sensible soon turned into an infringement upon the freedoms and liberties of other Americans. Way back in the 90's, Rob Reiner had this epiphany of sorts and decided spearhead to rid bars and restaurants of the supposed "dangers of secondhand smoke." Using inconclusive information from experts with an agenda pseudo science, the ban was passed, (the first in the nation,) within ten years every state in the union would have an indoor smoking ban in place, however, that wasn't enough. Some communities went as far as to institute smoking bans in parks, beaches, and boardwalks. In cities like Oakland and Burlingame, California it's against the law to smoke in public.

Now you're probably asking yourself, what the f*ck does smoking have to do with guns? The parallel is this, gun control legislation start off as reasonable, but as we've seen with the anti-smoking zealot Nazis, once the feminists and emasculated males pass on the surface what seems to be "sensible," and "reasonable," gun control, they'll move on to the next way to infringe upon the Second Amendment right to bare arms. If you leave it up to the likes of the Shumers, Bloombergs, Cuomos Zuckermans, and Sulzbergers of the world, the Second Amendment would have been repealed or so severely restricted that it wouldn't even make sense to own or buy a weapon.

That's why you have to give props to our ever vigilant brothers in the National Rifle Association. Even though they're painted as far right, gun loving, extremists who would trade in the safety of the nation, in exchange for the right to own guns, you have to acknowledge that they see and know the long term agenda of the feminists and emasculated males who want to repeal the Second Amendment. The NRA can't support so-called, "reason gun control," legislation because they know it's a slippery slope. You give on this seemingly sensible issue today, what will you give on tomorrow?

 

[speed dawg]

Wow, you get us off the topic of race, and MRex can make a pretty good post every now and again. I think I may have to 'like' it. Well, I won't go that far.

 

[hanni]

a "compromise" is where both sides give up something, WHAT can antigunners give US, hmm? NOTHING. so what should we give them? NOTHING.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I for the life of me do you not understand the mentality of gun ownership in America.

I personally think that so many of us have been indoctrinated with the culture of violence, so guns are used as a symbol to enforce a supreme macho kind of mentality.

I think it starts with an understanding of why our founding fathers thought it critically important that we maintain the right to keep and bear arms. They stated very clearly why this right is vitally important.

Then we could look at what every dictator does prior to finalizing his stranglehold on his country. He disarms them.

Thirdly, for me, I think about the results of removing firearms from the hands of law-abiding, trained citizens, resulting in only criminals having guns.

I think it is less about the emotionalism of a "macho mentality" and more about practical common sense, protection of my loved ones and myself, and keeping our freedom to resist our government which is slowly but surely encroaching on virtually every aspect of our lives. They want full control over the drones, and it will become infinitely easier once they disarm us.

The way I look at it, symbol my ass. I couldn't care less who knows I have guns or not. We have a lot of home invasions here in the Northeast (as I'm sure there are everywhere) and I really want to be able to blow an intruder's head off as efficiently as possible. Thankfully I'm currently able to.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I also think it's funny that people worry about it being in the Constitution. It's a piece of paper. What does it really guarantee? Nothing. We've seen over and over that the government will disregard the Bill of Rights whenever it wants to.

If guns were totally outlawed tomorrow, you could still get one. Just like you can still score coke or hookers if you want. Your freedom to do so is neither granted nor taken away by the government. Even if it's against the law, you still have to make the choice whether to obey that law.

One final thought...if the 2nd Amendment were meant to protect against tyranny, how well would civilian militias do against the US armed forces? That's not a rhetorical question - I often wonder. Obviously the government wouldn't kill everyone or it would have no tax base and no one to govern.

The Constitution (which I find interesting that you capitalized) reveals the intent and knowledge of our founding fathers upon which the Republic of the United States was built. You are correct that the government will disregard the Bill of Rights whenever it wants to... one major reason why an armed citizenry is so vitally important.

Yes, you could still get a gun and use it if it were outlawed, but when I blow away an intruder, rapist, murderer, etc., I'd rather not go to jail for it.

Our forefathers could not conceive of the military firepower that would develop in the United States. That fact in no way diminishes the principles they held. The US government has an abysmal record when it comes to guerilla-style wars. A war against the citizenry would absolutely ensue if they tried to take our guns away. That's why the libs are trying to do it piecemeal... trying to change the mood of the nation one "mild" law at a time. I don't think the mood will ever change in their direction though. There are too many men who understand the importance of the prime directive of our founding fathers... to prevent a dictatorship.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Instead of putting effort into keeping crazy people away from guns, maybe we could just start giving a sh!t about crazy people. A long time ago, there used to be nice, government-funded homes where we housed them. But we decided to close all of them down to save money, and push those people back out into society...and often prison. I lived in Tampa next to a mental health facility that got its funding cut, so they pushed most of the residents out the door at sunrise, and didn't let them back in again until dark. So they just walked in circles around the block all day. This was not a funding cut that benefited society, but it's not like the crazy people of the world have lawyers and lobbyists to promote their interests.

 

[hanni]

Militias aint the answer. you'll get snitched out for sure. Uncle will offer rewards and it'll be byebye to your six. Instead, 1000's of guys, acting on their own, telling nobody anything, can do plenty, if they have nvd's, silencers, takedown concealable auto rifles, AP ammo for their pocket 9mm's, off road bikes, some basic knowledge, skills and BALLS. it's the severe shortage of balls that is the problem.\

N. korea aint GOT nukes. they lack the ability to make one work. All they have achieved is some squibs, using conventional explosives to spread around some radioactive material, to make other countries want to buy them off. if we were really scared of Kim, we'd send a Seal team after him, just like could have been down vs Hussein.

 

[Huffman]

Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far, away, dear ole Rex had the opportunity to have dinner here,

Good on you Rex, but I for one think the smoking ban is a massive improvement of life quality (here in Germany). I feel offended by people smoking in a restaurant on the table next do me, and so do most people here, which is why the law was passed.

I would be ok though if the place has separate rooms for smokers&nonsmokers. Don't know if you've got that over there. I know whe have Whisky&Cigar bars here, where smoking is allowed obviously, so I believe that particular pleasure isn't being taken away.

 

[Huffman]

Militias aint the answer.

That's the thing I can't understand, that many US citizens really believe they could form a Militia to successfully fight the government. And even if it WAS possible - look at all the countries who currently have armed militias. Yeah, you don't want to live there.