"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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When a girl is extremely attracted to you but feels no chemistry

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Any of you guys get this? Women who will screw your brains out, make out with you every time they see you even on the first date, but break things off because there is no chemistry? I always thought no chemistry meant no attraction but in my experience thats just not true.

I feel like I was able to connect with women better before I came a donjuan. I'm so jaded with women, and my game has gotten so good, that while I am able to seduce women quickly, because it is all very superficial that the girl eventually picks up on the fact that I just don't feel the same way about her.

Once they realize Im not as in love as they are it eventually causes them to back off and push me away and Im left in a cloud of confusion as to why they broke up with me. Makes sense I guess donjuan teaches you to bring out your inner alpha male, and relationships are not for our alpha males....we are made to spread our seed.

Im just curious if you guys deal with the same problem.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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You always need to show a woman that you WANT her, but you DO NOT NEED her. OP, when I first read your post the first thing I thought of was that you aren't giving her enough of the WANT part. It's like feeding a dog you have to put just the right amount of food in the bowl so the dog doesn't starve to death, but not so much that it overeats and gets sick.
 

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You always need to show a woman that you WANT her, but you DO NOT NEED her. OP, when I first read your post the first thing I thought of was that you aren't giving her enough of the WANT part. It's like feeding a dog you have to put just the right amount of food in the bowl so the dog doesn't starve to death, but not so much that it overeats and gets sick.
You always need to show a woman that you WANT her, but you DO NOT NEED her. OP, when I first read your post the first thing I thought of was that you aren't giving her enough of the WANT part. It's like feeding a dog you have to put just the right amount of food in the bowl so the dog doesn't starve to death, but not so much that it overeats and gets sick.
I agree with what your saying. I guess I just don't understand why women will actually lose feelings and withdraw from a guy once they feel that he doesn't really love them or want them I feel like it should make them want you more. And if I do genuinely miss the woman when she leaves, how do I know if I ever really did want her or in the first place? Or if she was just feeding my ego or filling some sort of emotional void? Because that's what Im dealing with right now.
 

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Man this is a great post bc I honestly feel the same way sometimes. Need more input from vets
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Man this is a great post bc I honestly feel the same way sometimes. Need more input from vets
My theory....The average don juan is so skilled when it comes to seducing women that she thinks he's the best thing to ever happen to her. Unfortunately you can only maintain that kind of game for so long, and any woman who puts a man on that kind of pedestal is destined to disappoint her. Unless of course you don't commit to her or pump and dump her .... she will always see you as that amazing man that got away.

The problem I see with the average don juan is they think they can have their cake and eat it too. You can't become an expert on seducing women and getting into their pants, and hope to find a girl who appreciates you and excepts you for who you are as a person.
 

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Is there anyway to see signs of entertainer versus true attraction or is hypergamy really the top of the pyramid?

I see whato op is saying. It's not about attraction. It's like females are attracted but they want more at some point.
 

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And just to be clear...I think op and I are seeking advice from a filter for ltr
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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OP

You need to realize- game and being a DJ shouldn't make you shallow.

Its simply a way of life. I'm jaded and I've decided not to date. But in essence you ARE who you are and you can't lose that.

They feel no chemistry because you're a shallow one dimensional being now.
 

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Once they realize Im not as in love as they are it eventually causes them to back off and push me away and Im left in a cloud of confusion as to why they broke up with me.
I guess I just don't understand why women will actually lose feelings and withdraw from a guy once they feel that he doesn't really love them or want them I feel like it should make them want you more.

Speaking from the perspective of a female, I am very turned off if I feel unwanted, undesirable or replaceable. If I don't feel my man wants me and me alone, I shut down emotionally and sexually.

Staying with a man who doesn't want to be with you as much as you want to be with him feels like begging for love and has no dignity. It is a big turn-off.
 

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Speaking from the perspective of a female, I am very turned off if I feel unwanted, undesirable or replaceable. If I don't feel my man wants me and me alone, I shut down emotionally and sexually.

Staying with a man who doesn't want to be with you as much as you want to be with him feels like begging for love and has no dignity. It is a big turn-off.
This is hypocritical. Women operate Hypergamy, more so than men.

You expect us to treat you as unique when we are just another man to you. Yeah no.

OP- do not listen to this. This is bluepill phallacy.
 

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I agree with what your saying. I guess I just don't understand why women will actually lose feelings and withdraw from a guy once they feel that he doesn't really love them or want them I feel like it should make them want you more. And if I do genuinely miss the woman when she leaves, how do I know if I ever really did want her or in the first place? Or if she was just feeding my ego or filling some sort of emotional void? Because that's what Im dealing with right now.
Simple... sex for women is a method of control... if she does not fell like she can control you with sex she will lose interest, unless you are REALLY good in the sack. This is why it is important to put out the vib that you WANT to fvck her, otherwise she doesn't know what to do with you. You act like a 'friend' and that is how you will be treated.

Okay, now some harsh truth. I'm not saying this to insult you, only to be helpful, if I'm off base fine... because truth is I do not know you I except if you say this is not right. But in my experience if you are putting out a DJ vib and a women loses interest in you too quick, it is because you need to improve your sexual performance, or she is just a frigid b!tch... if this is happening to you a lot, then it's likely you. Remember if all you want from a woman is SEX then you better be REALLY good at it. If you are not giving her multiple orgasms you are not going to keep her coming back.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Simple... sex for women is a method of control... if she does not fell like she can control you with sex she will lose interest, unless you are REALLY good in the sack. This is why it is important to put out the vib that you WANT to fvck her, otherwise she doesn't know what to do with you. You act like a 'friend' and that is how you will be treated.

Okay, now some harsh truth. I'm not saying this to insult you, only to be helpful, if I'm off base fine... because truth is I do not know you I except if you say this is not right. But in my experience if you are putting out a DJ vib and a women loses interest in you too quick, it is because you need to improve your sexual performance, or she is just a frigid b!tch... if this is happening to you a lot, then it's likely you. Remember if all you want from a woman is SEX then you better be REALLY good at it. If you are not giving her multiple orgasms you are not going to keep her coming back.
Well bro my last relationship lasted one month, we didn't have sex until the third weekend we were official as she was one of those incredibly difficult chicks to bang...long distance, frigid as hell, lived with her parents, I had to wait until they were out of town.

I'm a well endowed guy, but I was a bit rusty and cummed way too quick! . I did however manage to get her off twice. I don't think my less than stellar performance that night was the reason she ended things with me though, because her interest level seemed to be at its highest right after she slept with me. This was probably the only time she wasn't an obnoxious ***** to me. Also Just around that time, she was going out of her way to make me jealous talking about coworkers hitting on her, and we all know its a good sign when a girl does that.

The weekend after i sleep with her, she's begging me to come see her to grab dinner. I go out there and she wants to get a hotel. My luck she starts throwing up right after we leave the restaurant and is sick the whole night so I didnt even try to sleep with her. I will say the only time I felt like I had her under control the entire time we dated as for about a week after we slept together. Every day after that...she started going back to her old ways.
 

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Cap, again thanks for creating this thread. This topic hits home because it's what I'm currently going thru.

I think it has a lot to do with status or what you're offering them. Back to hypergamy. It's the only thing that seems right.

In your head...what would you say you offer her as far as what benefits her in society? I was alpha all the way. She was all over it...but I think as time goes on...especially with young broads...they become impressionable and need more bc they want to impress their friends and social circle. My money is decent but nothing to write home about and socially...I have a few good friends but operate as myself majority of the time. It's enough to attract and f her brains out a couple times, but she needed more as time went on.
 

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This is hypocritical. Women operate Hypergamy, more so than men.

You expect us to treat you as unique when we are just another man to you. Yeah no.

OP- do not listen to this. This is bluepill phallacy.

Lumping all women into one single entity and expecting them all think and operate in the same way appears to be the mindset behind the majority of people on this forum.

If you look for women in bars that can be easily picked up and jump into bed with you in the first date or two, what type of women do you expect to get? Do you expect women that are loyal, not promiscuous and treat you as unique would like to go to bars waiting to be picked up by men?

I am well aware that many women are attracted by money and status more so than by men. But it is a generalization to say all or even most women operate hypergamy and treating every man as "just another man".

I believe in monogamy. Outside of attraction, chemistry and connection, I weigh integrity and sincerity much higher than money and status, which are hardly the factors I would consider in a man.
 

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Cap, again thanks for creating this thread. This topic hits home because it's what I'm currently going thru.

I think it has a lot to do with status or what you're offering them. Back to hypergamy. It's the only thing that seems right.

In your head...what would you say you offer her as far as what benefits her in society? I was alpha all the way. She was all over it...but I think as time goes on...especially with young broads...they become impressionable and need more bc they want to impress their friends and social circle. My money is decent but nothing to write home about and socially...I have a few good friends but operate as myself majority of the time. It's enough to attract and f her brains out a couple times, but she needed more as time went on.
Don't worry about it. Just ride that horse until she loses interest then bail. You will know if you are interested in an LTR. She will also make it known. If she asks that you have been qualified.
 
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