Would You Bang A 15, 16, or 17 Yr Old?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Whatever happened to fair game? I'll admit when I was 22 I nailed a 17 year old but she was my bosses daughter. I never really liked the guy so it was kind of my way of venting. Infact I did all three of his daughters, the 17 year old, the 22 year old and the 26 year old (I REALLY didn't like the guy).

We're not talking about a 22 year old and a 17 year old, don't go there. We're talking about grown men and children. Don't take any offence but even at 22, people have only barely started cutting their teeth on life experience.

But let me ask you a question, what makes them "fair game." The fact that they're hot or the fact that they are young and naive? If it's the former, there's a ton of similar aged women with similar levels of life experience. If it's the latter is the game actually fair on both sides?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...And I'm sorry you went the route of attacking the morals of those who disagree with you, but I just don't see it that way.

You need to read more of my posts. I am in no way the morality police (mine has been questioned numerous times). I actually don't see this as a morality issue.

As in my other posts in this thread, I'm questioning whether the guys who are proponents of older men and children actually embrace the nature of being a DJ. The understanding of women, how to read them, how to engage them, how to seduce them and how to... Well, whatever comes next.

Personally, I think it takes no skill to seduce a teenie-bopper, especially if you are a grown ass man. Hell, they will throw themselves at your feet without much effort. It's not much different if a guy has a high track record of bedding women but he primarily goes after UGs that other guys won't touch. These women are looking for the affection of any man and similarly (some) young girls will take the affection of any older man. What else would make them feel more womanly than the attention from a older man. It's like shooting fish in a barrel; rather, taking candy from a baby.

So that's why I say it takes no real skill to gain the interest of a child, the kids have no chance in comparison. That's why I say these guys are predators.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

SoSuave officially hits an all time low!

I've read some pathetic things on here, from guys addicted to porn and masturbation, guys throwing tantrums and plotting revenge because they got rejected, guys having sex with ugly girls for practice, guys standing back while other guys grope their girl, and so on. But how incompetent must you be to have sex with adolescents?

In this country the barometer is legality. If it's legal, it's "fair game" a someone earlier alluded to. What's sad is that in this country, the need for immediate gratification tends to supercede things be they legal or not.

 

[Passion]

We're not talking about a 22 year old and a 17 year old, don't go there. We're talking about grown men and children.

Francisco, I usually think your advice is pretty good but I think you mis-read this post. Here is a quote from the orignal post: "This question is for guys over the age of 18...Would you guys try to bang a 15, 16, or 17 yr old if it's legal in that state?" That's what the topic is. A 22 year old with a 17 year old is definetly on topic. And 15 to 17 year olds are not children. They are defined as teenagers.

I'm questioning whether the guys who are proponents of older men and children actually embrace the nature of being a DJ....So that's why I say it takes no real skill to gain the interest of a child, the kids have no chance in comparison. That's why I say these guys are predators

So if a guy was really good looking or had a lot of money and didn't use a lot of "skills" to seduce a woman, that makes him a predator?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

You could make the argument that anything you do is human nature, and thus anything you do is morally sound. Are you suggesting a world where everyone is governed by their animal impulses?

You would have thought that the human race would have evolved enough to not be driven by human nature; to be able to have some type of control over themselves. To be held accountable for their actions and not to shrug it off as a innate, caveman-like, uncontrolled (instinctual) action.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Francisco, I usually think your advice is pretty good but I think you mis-read this post. Here is a quote from the orignal post: "This question is for guys over the age of 18...Would you guys try to bang a 15, 16, or 17 yr old if it's legal in that state?" That's what the topic is. A 22 year old with a 17 year old is definetly on topic. And 15 to 17 year olds are not children. They are defined as teenagers.

You missed the post where someone states that a 30+ year old man should be able to bang a child if it were legal. Reread the thread.

 

[Passion]

Francisco D, it seems more like a morality issue for you. Do you have a teenage daughter or something?

Let's use 2 situations:

a: A good looking 22 year old hooks up with a 16 year old with no effort at all because of his looks.
b: An average looking 30 year old hooks up with a 16 year old, but uses more effort than the first guy because she is not as physically attracted to him.

If I followed your logic that the issue you have here is only skill level, then the first guy would be more of a "predator" than the 30 year old because it was easier for him, like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Francisco D, it seems more like a morality issue for you. Do you have a teenage daughter or something?

Last time folks, I nominate myself as one of the top three (if not the top) person who should not speak on the values of morality. Also, as opposed to many people, my passions on subjects are not necessarily based on validating a personal experience. I have no teenage children.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

..So if a guy was really good looking or had a lot of money and didn't use a lot of "skills" to seduce a woman, that makes him a predator?

Would a guy who was famous, or rich or extremely good looking use those skills to take advantage of children who were emotionally naive? If yes, he's a predator. I'll bring it up again, where's the "fair game?"

And by the way, only one person spoke toward having a LTR with one of these children. I'm not necessarily a proponent of marriage but I am of LTR type companionship's. Only one person made mention of having one with a girl who was 17 so what else could the reason be for men to sleep with these women other than they are an easy lay. Would these guy spend the money on adult prostitutes if it were legal? Perhaps, but I believe they wouldn't as long as they could sarge children without spending any money.

 

[Morphiex]

well it is true , there are some lowlife losers on this board ....

first of all , when you look at a young girls nice body ,(17-22) i dont think people are thinking of them as harvesters of nice offspring..... its just sexual impulsions that make your **** hard from watching theyr body and figure.... its that simple....

2 . Even though your sexually interested , it doesnt mean neccesarally that you should do everything your impulses tell you to do . because if we were only driven by our dic\ks all the time , we would have had some major problems in our lives...

3. now we all think of these girls im talking 17- 22 , these young girls are nice and pure , but to tell the truth the ones that usually go for older men are the ones who are usually fu\cked up and had alot of sex before in their life... They are that way because they werent raised properly , thats the parents fault.
BUT does that mean we should just use them as sexual toys and throw them away as simple tissue paper....

4. yes i know some younger girls these days are oozing with sex , everything they do says sex.
ever wondered why ?
Well its because of the social norms in highschools these days , being sexual, beign hot and having tight clothes is the socially accepted , i should say socially adviced in todays society. Being young and hot is like being rich , these girls experiancce from a veeery early age that if they act sexually they can basicly get whatever they want , as the afc of this world willingly do everything to please these girls. They get programmed into being more sexuall...
They dont know of any other ways to keep relationships other then being sexual. and these girls usually end up dating older guys , hoping for theses old guys to support them if needed.... Girls today get told being a goldigger is alright and accepted. even some of their mothers tell them find a nice wealthy man... but my point is todays society programs the girls to be mroe sexual , hell theyve started programming girls as young as age 13 -14 now , wich is very wrong imo....

5. if you remember soem time ago , some phedos in nederlands or sumthing wanted to lower the sexual age to 12 years old ... now if this was legally allowed , would you bang a 12 year old , ??? these guys say that these girls consent to sex with them , that they are oozing of sex and are willing and ready .... basicly the same thing that most ofo you are saying.... does it make it right ??? if they got the law down to 12 , adn they start having sex with 12 year olds des it make it right ????
ask yourself that.....

ps : well there will probably be someone who will try to flame me , ths is to you : I DONT CARE , i dont know you you dont know me , so why the eff would i care what you say about me in a effing forum ?? so go ahead flame me , as it wont bother me one bit...(someone will prob say it will bother me since i wrote this , geez the world today )

 

[chewbacca_rocks]

i'll **** anything that turns me on. kapeesh?

 

[Passion]

I've read a couple of other posts, and I don't see how anyone is "taking advantage" of someone else if no one is getting hurt from it. Unless the person gets an STD from you or gets pregnant or was forced to against their will, there was no victim. It's the belief that some of you hold that females are special creatures and sex with them is sacred that makes you have this weird viewpoint. For example, I knew of a 16 year old guy who banged a 27 year old MILF he met at a mall. Would any of you be thinking "what a poor guy, he was taken advantage of." You'd probably think he's a lucky guy.

Some of you guys say a 16 year old girl is naive, but if she has sex with a 17 year old as opposed to a 27 year old, she's STILL having sex. It's not like she's LESS naive when she's with someone younger compared to someone older. Her "naivity" would be the same in both circumstances. You honestly think 17 year old guys aren't looking for sex? It's a scientific fact that their hormones are even higher than an older guy, and you know what's on their mind when they're with a girl.

 

[Docs]

You honestly think 17 year old guys aren't looking for sex? It's a scientific fact that their hormones are even higher than an older guy, and you know what's on their mind when they're with a girl.

Should I kiss her, should I ask her out, what if she says no....
:crackup:...

 

[Morphiex]

Does that really make sense to you? You honestly don't see the tie between having an erection, and having a need to spread your seed with eligible mates? Man. Time to review 4th grade sex-ed I think. This is VERY basic.

Well if you say that having an erection is connected to a need for finding a cocoon for your seed , then what about gay people ? Im pretty shure that a male and another male cant get pregnant or carry a child , or am I wrong ? hey your the one who mastered 4th grade sex-ed so you tell me.....

True, but who said anything about breaking the law? We're talking about natural human behavior. Is it natural to walk around naked outdoors all day long? Obviously. Is it illegal? Of course. Nobody's saying we should ignore the laws of the state. I (and most of the people on my side) are merely arguing that it is completely natural and therefore free of shame to lust after young women. That's how men were built. Am I honestly supposed to feel bad for the way the vast majority of men were created? Sounds cultish, and brings forth memories of Stephen King's "Carrie", in which her mother referred to her breasts as 'dirty pillows'.

WHO said that you should feel bad ? hey i get horny watching a fine ass of a nice 16 year old too , i dont feel bad... Im just responsible enough to know that i shouldnt go trough all the fake iterest and idiotic conversational interest torwards the YOUNG girl , just to get into her pants for once or twice times... Because i know first of all i wouldnt probably have anything in common with her , and i would probably only want to bang her until i found something better , now doing this to a CHILD wich she is because of lack of life experiance , not maturity she puts out, will cause some subconsious and consious scars to her...

Again, you pulled that out of your ass. Nobody said anything about casual sex, the original poster brought up sex in general. Sex is a major part of normal long-term relationships.

Well as i understand , generally this thread IS about banging a girl and not having a ltr with a young girl.
Most guys here even said that they just want to bang her , some even said they didnt even think of having a relationship with one of them.... And we are talking about 30+ year old people not 17-20+... Do you really think that a 30+ year old guy should really be allowed to have casual sex with an 16 year old or godforbid younger ???

Chill. I was very civil while crushing your arguments, and hardly constitutes flaming. Now, if you'd like to continue a normal discussion and want to have any sort of credibility whatsoever, I suggest you drop the personal attacks and start using a spellchecker. Otherwise, you're done.

last i see your superior intellect forgot to "crush" my other points ? , since my last post was intended to be taken as a whole , taking certain points out of context without the rest is very manipulative and easily arguable.
Maby in your mind of state of "crushing" me and my credibility you truly forgot to undertsand my points.
And what personal attacks ? , for something to constitue as a personal attack it has to be driven towards , idk , A PERSON? now the line where i said ; yes there are some losers here , yeah that was a general oberservational opinnion , NOT a personal attack....
Now things like what you said are personal attacks , and dude the whole spellcheck thing , comeon thats soo lame...
fyi , english isent my first language hell it isent my second language . now i might not be fluent in english grammer because i have other things to worry about . but you seem to be the person who finds grammer really really important. so youl probably spellcheck this post twice...
now read this and start crushing my credibility again =P

 

[blackbirdbeatle]

14 in Canada. That being said, no. I'm in my early twenties and would bang the **** out of a hot 18 or even 17 year old but no younger(Even though I have met 16 year olds that were more mature than girls my age and fully developed).

 

[PRMoon]

We're not talking about a 22 year old and a 17 year old, don't go there. We're talking about grown men and children. Don't take any offence but even at 22, people have only barely started cutting their teeth on life experience.

But let me ask you a question, what makes them "fair game." The fact that they're hot or the fact that they are young and naive? If it's the former, there's a ton of similar aged women with similar levels of life experience. If it's the latter is the game actually fair on both sides?

Hmmm. The title of this thread says 15-17 so I thought I was in the right there on the points I was making. News to me we were talking about 10 year olds I also wouldn't knock ALL 22 year olds. Some of them had been working with childern and were single independant parents by 17. But that's neither here nor there.

In MY mind fair game are girls who has been around the block a few times and learned the game. They don't get over whelmed by solid game and ejjoy making the whole courting process some what entertaining for an exprienced player. Of course this is what I like, when it's too easy for me I lose intrest (most of the time unless I'm really hard up for it an horny) quickly and go about my day or evening.

Girls in HS almost always don't provide that level of excitement because they've been dealing with mostly HS guys or college guys who can't get any at college. They don't have the exprience of being around true players and if they are they don't pick up too much or any of how the lifestyle works. It makes them weak and easy prey and in my mind, very dull and eventless. Fair game is game that I stand a chance of losing. Most of the time I'm discouraged by missing that mark but sometimes If I've put up a good fight and all my work and then teases me while she walks away I'll hold my head down smile and laugh at the whole thing knowing there was nothing I could do. I don't feel ANYTHING for easy prey. Not happy not eagar and certainly not challanged to do any quality gaming. If anything I feel pity for them, not because someone is going to swoop them up and they'll end up crying at least twice a month about someone who took advantage of them but because they don't know what it's like to exprience socilization on this level and some of them never will make it here.

 

[S1NN3R]

You know, as much as I'm a proponent of guys being able to have sex with any girl that they choose provided that the law is on their side without having to be subjected to the over-developed morals of people who can't just mind their own damned business, I was reminded yesterday of a few of the pitfalls of younger girls. Yesterday, I hooked up with this tight little hottie who is 19, and she doesn't even really look that old, so going pretty much anywhere in Vegas is difficult. In Texas and even Brooklyn, I could get into most places with a girl under 21, primarily because I was hooked up everywhere, but in Vegas, this girl's got every single employee trying to check her ID. We were just walking through a casino to get to a shop that I like and at least 5 guys in suits came up and politely asked about her age. Had to tell them that we were just passing through. That was a bit irritating. That's the first girl that young that I've actually tried a date with in this town, my actual girlfriends have all been older, and the younger girls I've been with have usually just been hook-ups.

I must say, my enthusiasm for younger girls has waned a bit in the last 24 hours. . .

 

[Titanium]

14 in Canada. That being said, no. I'm in my early twenties and would bang the **** out of a hot 18 or even 17 year old but no younger(Even though I have met 16 year olds that were more mature than girls my age and fully developed).

The age of consent in Canada is 16 now. It changed last spring.

I think the idea behind the change in law is to deter underaged kids from consenting (to sexual interactions over the internet or otherwise).

As for someone over the age of 18/19 having sex with a 16 year old...while I'm not entirely sure, there may still be legal implicaitons that differentiate teenage sex (young love) from adult/teenage sex. I think it depends on the criteria.

 

[Morphiex]

Erections are for the purpose of sex. Sex is for the purpose of procreation. There's nothing more to say.

comeon that is a very thin argument. As i remember you said that sexual drive is driven by the need to reproduce and that is how we chose our sexual partners ,,,, right ?

So did you know that in the old days in certain cultures being with a heavy woman with saggy tits was considered the more popular thing , so guys today think that being with a thin petite woman is the popular thing. this shows that sexual interest can be altered by culture and community. and sexual interest has nothing to do with reproductional need , sex is ofcourse ment for reproduction but there are three known species that use sex for only plesure aswell , those are baboons dolphins and humans. When we are sexually interested , men are usually preprogrammed into being attracted to certain aspects of the female body , and the higher the testosteron level the more sexually attracted we are. Humans need certain amount of social contact , and sex is considered the highest form of social contact , and it being sooo very pleasurable it also becomes the most easy form of social contact for those who lack it from other places...
And gay people are probably the best example to disprove your argument. as they only have sex for plesure...
also do you really think every sexual partner of yours as coming mother of your children ???

You referred to all those who disagreed with you as quote unquote: "lowlife losers". Am I supposed to feel warm and cozy inside after that little remark?

I called those 30+ year old guys who were saying that theyd sleep with girls as young as 14 , lowlife losers. I didnt say anything about people who looked at a nice 16 year olds body and felt horny . its normal for us men... but again it doesnt mean that we should act on it aswell....

Yeah, I do...and they ARE, in many states and almost every country. Unfortunately for you, this means that I have 6 Billion+ people on my side, leaving you in a very, very small minority group of people sharing your opinion. I try not to be judgmental when it comes to other people's behavior behind closed doors, providing that noone is harmed, especially when it's within the bounds of the law.

exactly that ,"within the bounds of the law ", thats the main argument for you guys , so what if the law was lowered to 12 year olds ? would you think that 30+ guys having sex with 12 year olds as okay ? better yet you have a daughter shes 12-14 and she has casual sex with a 30 + guy , would you aprove ?

and also i should change what i believe in because my views are only with the minority ??? hey i could be the only guy living on earth believing that 30+ guys should not have casual sex with 16 year olds and i still wouldnt change my beliefs.... you might be the kind of person who changes his beliefs to the larger group beliefs , but i stick with what I believe is right.....

Which point did I miss? And which ones did I take out of context? I do edit the fluff out of people's quotes for content and length purposes, and preserve the main ideas for the sake of clarity and conciseness. If I manipulated a certain quote, please provide a specific example and I will reply with the full quote included. I apologize if you feel your post was mainipulated to distort your main arguments, but you must realize...your original post remains for all to see. It's not as if someone needs to do more than move the scroll bar two inches upward to see the full quotes if need be.

it is actually manipulative when you fluff someones post and only use certain lines then give back an argument , its makes it look like your argument is more superior , this tactic is commonly used by people like fox news and other politicians... , taking posts out of context is very easy to manipulate and twist , now yes people only need to scroll up or change pages , but most people are even too lazy to do that. (is that also a personal attack?)

General observational opinion. As a native English speaker, I must tell you that you used a misleading euphemism for a personal attack. Sorry.

for it to be a personal attack is has to be driven towards a single person who made an argument and im trying to discredit it , my opinnion was meant for a larger group...
also i was agreeing with a poster from way before in page 3 or 4 i believe , he gave that comment before me and i agreed to it.

Really? Then it shouldn't be too much of a problem to quote one of them for us. I'll be waiting anxiously.

"Man. Time to review 4th grade sex-ed I think."'
this is whats constitutes as a personal attack , its not really a harsh one or even a effective one but it is a personal attack...

Wiki " It is considered a personal attack when a person starts referencing a supposed flaw or weakness in an individual's personality, beliefs, lifestyle, convictions or principles, and use it as a debate tactic or as a means of avoiding discussion of the relevance or truthfulness the person's statement. "

wich you are doing many times... not very effectivly but you are doing it...
(ps : just be be clear , you didnt bother me with that , i found it kinda funny , but you stated that i was givng personal attacks , while it was in fact you yourself who was doing so.... )

Sorry, I didn't realize that. You speak English very well for learning at least two other languages first. However, this is all the more reason to use a spellchecker, and is especially beneficial for you in order to improve your skills in the language.

thank you , yeah i know i have some eye-hand cordination flaws still when im typing on my computor =P .... guess is should just slow down a little=P

 

[Centaurion]

Isn't the legal age for sex in Ireland (or Northern Ireland) 11 or something like that?