What Mystery hasn't told you about negging

[Dongfu]

To be honest, the negs you read about in most PUA material are really only for guys who don't truly believe they have high value. If you truly believe and KNOW that you have high value, it will show through your personality. 10's will see it, 9's will see it, and the chodes clinging to the 9's and 10's will also see it.

The aura of your personality should be one giant neg to any girl who thinks she has higher status than you. If you truly believe you are the prize, once you make eye contact with her, she'll know. You won't have to ask her if she bought that shirt new...

You summarized my post perfectly.

 

[reset]

Holy Crap Interceptor is channeling something.... put on those sunglasses because the light is going to burn your eyes out if you're not ready for it.

I already Am. Know what I mean?

Yeah.

 

[zerocelcius]

I think the problem here is that the people saying NEGs don't work or they don't need them don't really know what a NEG is.

I believe they are getting it confused with:

DHV = Demonstration of Higher Value. A routine in which the
pickup artist displays a skill or attribute that raises his worth or appeal in the
estimation of a woman or group; it is intended to make him stand out from the other, less interesting men in the club.

VLV = Verbalise Lower Value. A Special Type of DHV, used to make you appear humble, but also used with an exceptionally strong frame!

DLV = Demonstration Of Lower Value. AFCs game.

 

[Dongfu]

I think the problem here is that the people saying NEGs don't work or they don't need them don't really know what a NEG is.

I dont know what other people say, but I say negs do work, and I understand how and why they work at a deeper level. And knowing that, you can bypass this predominately PUA technique for other methods that work as good or better.

 

[Derek Flint]

Negs only work on stupid girls.

Yep. Stupid girls with low self-esteem.

To those that think "negs" are a great technique:

If you want to date stupid girls with LSE, then go ahead and neg away.

Try negging some HB like Jessica Alba or Jessica Simpson or Jessica Beil.

Do you think it would "DHV"?

No - They'll laugh at you and think you're a complete tool.

Or the equivelent I always use: Try negging Michael Jordan on his BB skills.
Think it would bother him for one single second, or raise your value. Or lower his?

No.

I have better ways to "DHV" and by "negging" someone it is nothing more than trying to bring someone down, to your level because they are above you, and you are below them.

That is what "negging" subcommunicates.

And anyone with an IQ above room-temperature can see that.

Instead of bringing her value down, bring your value up.

Then you won't feel the need to play stupid little mind games.

Disclaimer: Nothing wrong with playful teasing and banter, which is different than "negging"

 

[ChrizZ]

Yep. Stupid girls with low self-esteem.

To those that think "negs" are a great technique:

If you want to date stupid girls with LSE, then go ahead and neg away.

Try negging some HB like Jessica Alba or Jessica Simpson or Jessica Beil.

Do you think it would "DHV"?

No - They'll laugh at you and think you're a complete tool.

Or the equivelent I always use: Try negging Michael Jordan on his BB skills.
Think it would bother him for one single second, or raise your value. Or lower his?

No.

I have better ways to "DHV" and by "negging" someone it is nothing more than trying to bring someone down, to your level because they are above you, and you are below them.

That is what "negging" subcommunicates.

And anyone with an IQ above room-temperature can see that.

pretty much every hot girl has LSE, that's why we only use them on hot girls. I don't think u get the concept of a neg. The concept is that it isn't a compliment, but it isn't an insult either. The woman is not gonna call you out on it because on the one hand she starts feeling insecure, but on the other hand she can't blame you because you just stated the obvious.

 

[Derek Flint]

What a lot of guys are missing is that C+F works BEST when you've established great RAPPORT between you and the woman you like.
After all, you like her, don't you?
Or are you just trying to act like an a**hole?
A lot of guys that are angry and resentful towards women use Negs, and C+F in an arrogant and demeaning manner.
Sure , they may be charming and good looking, but they're still a**holes.

Good people do NOT insult the people that they genuinley like, admire, and are attracted to.

Personally, I aspire to be better than that.
You may not agree, but I refuse to act like an a**hole to get some chick to "think" I'm High Vaklue.
Man...I AM High Value already, Goddamnit.
I jut see no reason to turn it on so thick with a woman who has such a strong B*tch Shield, and is obviously so self centered, that I have to resort to using extreme amounts of technique just to get her to notice me. Last thing I want to do is go after som estyuck up b*tch, just becasue "OMG! She's so HAWT!"
HAWT is not synonymous with nice. HAWT is not synonymous with sweet, loving, felxible, and giving.
HAWT does not mean Feminine and nurturing to my children.


Guys, look at the bigger picture. That's all I'm saying. I don't want to se eyou at 40 plus years and a lonely miserable fVck, looking aporn, spending all youtr time online, and dragging your feet through the day.
Wishing, hoping, dreamin...but NOT ACTING.
That's death, man. Living death.
DOn't do this.
There's alot at stake for you.
And there's a lot more to this than just Pick Up.
There's a reason we use the Don Juan model in this forum, and NOT just "pick Up'.
Think about that...deeply.



Granted, I attract women on my proesence, image, and demeanor Alone, without saying a word.
But the last thing I want to do is fvck it all up when I open my mouth.
And don't say "yeah, buit You're NOT doing it right!"
It's not that I'm not doing it right, but my personality and image is just not congruent with trying to "come off' as better and more high value. I already Am. Know what I mean?
So this is what is happening to the community.
You've got guys who take this stuff too literally. And mess up.
You've got guys that use this and it works for them.
And then you've got guys like me, who are in a different stage and mindset, and don't need a cheap "technique" to get a woman to be attracted to me, and interested in who I am.
It's all about who YOU want to BE.
What kind of image do you see yourself as?
Are you really a classy guy? Do you treat women like ladies, or do you treat them all like sh*t?

Now, hold on. No one said about putting the chick on a pedastle, or worshipping her, or doing favors yada yada...
I'm talking about seeing her as a human being, with good things, and bad things, and knowing this chick wants to get her world rocked bad, real bad....
But damn, learn how to calibrate , guys.
LEarn abou ther mannerism, personality, sense of humor, and what makes her tick.
Listen to her words, her pacing, her body, her EYES....
Most of the women I interact with respond with a sexually playful and suggestive C+F..but it's not over the top. And it doesn't ever make her feel like she's beneath me.
It's just that I don't take her as intimidating to me. She's not powerful for me.
Understand?
So I play with her. But still maintain a sense of respect, but sexuality is present. Hell, I just stand there half the time, and chicks can't stop staring!
Sounds coinceited. I know. That's not the point I'm trying to get across. I give an example because I have to.If I use C+F the way it's ..ahem..."Supposed" to be used..I'll come off as a conceited arrogant snob, who's too "into himself".
I'm not that guy. I'm not going to say that I'm not Selfish. BUT...that doesn't mean I don't respect and apprecitate people, and that I don't act with grace and consideration.

The idea is that C+F needs to be calibrated for YOU and HER.
You need to know who you are, dudes.
You need to know how she responds. And calibrate.
Don't think it's all about being a jerk.That's immature, and petty.
Rise above that sh*t.
Dude, we talk about becoming Alpha Males in here.
Alpha Males.
Do you really know what this mean?
I do.
And I can tell you that half the posts I see in here demonstrate that the average guy has NO freakin' CLUE!!!
Fvck, C+F.
Become a man, Goddamnit.
Realize your Alphaness, and your TRUE VALUE.
THIS is so very, very important. That I feel we're missing the bigger picture.
And I fear that with half the guys on here being just teenagers, we're presenting the wrong picture to them.
And what's going to happen when.if they ahve kids?
How are you going to teach your little boy, little man?
You're probably 17, and you have no clue on being a Man.You better start learning now, and fast.
You don't really have a choice anymore,.
You don't and you never HAD the "luxury" of NOT becoming a Man, a secure and confident masculine Man.

I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield.

Get ready.


Rant over. Carry on.

Preach it Brother!

Everything you said is right on, as have others on this thread with similar viewpoints.

Guys, lose the negs. It's for guys with low value trying to lower the value of others to their own level.

Instead, raise your game, get your life and your $#!T together.

When that happens, you'll suddenly lose the need to "neg" or play these immature, stupid, childish, manipulative games.

 

[Derek Flint]

pretty much every hot girl has LSE, that's why we only use them on hot girls. I don't think u get the concept of a neg. The concept is that it isn't a compliment, but it isn't an insult either. The woman is not gonna call you out on it because on the one hand she starts feeling insecure, but on the other hand she can't blame you because you just stated the obvious.

I've been in "the community" for 10+ years. I know exactly what a "neg" is.

Every hot girl has LSE?

Not the one's I've been meeting, dating and f***ing.

Negs may work on drunken party bar girls, who need and seek validation from others based solely on their looks, but not on higher status women.

Women who have their lives and their S#!T together are immune to "negs" and will blow you out instantly if you tried such obvious, low-brow crap like that.

All "negs" do is sub-communicate that you are trying to bring her down. To your level.

Don't lower her value, raise your value with the way you conduct yourself.

 

[zerocelcius]

Most girls have LSE (they are always competing against the Magazine Image)
But a NEG isn't supposed to target their LSE a NEG is meant to bypass their (FLINT PLUG YOUR EARS *he hates this word*) BYoutch Shield.

In other words a girl acts like "I'm too good for little 'ol you" than NEG hit her. She isn't better than you! Nobody is and you aren’t better than anybody else either. When girls try to be unreachable and self "pedestal-ed" than you have to cut them down a notch.

Don't INSULT them! Just throw them off a little.

DON'T: Your ugly, your clothes suck, etc.
DO: That is an Interesting color of lipstick? That is a nice shirt, did you pick it out? etc.

Or a physical Neg. Girl acts like she is high and mighty... Look disgusted Make comment to Pivot. "She always like this? Dress her up and you still can't take her anywhere..."

You really don't have to NEG. You really don't have to do anything it is your choice. Learn it or leave it.

But if you want to use it learn the right way or you might get :box: .

 

[Derek Flint]

I don't hate the phrase "b-shield" it just doesn't exist in my reality because the way I conduct myself doesn't cause girls to throw up their "b-shield"

I disarm "B-shields" by being honest, sincere, upfront with people, including women. When you do that, when you lead by example, people will follow and not throw up "b-shields"

Again, I can't remember the last time I've run into a "b-shield" it's been years.

Same with negs. I don't need to use them, because the way I conduct myself is already "DHV"

I don't need to lower anyone's value, because girls don't act that way around Men they respect and admire.

I also don't need to lower anyone's value because my value is higher than theirs. If anything, they will neg me. Does it bother me? Does it "lower my value" or raise their's?

Hell no.

It's just immature, High School type BS

Adults and people of substance don't engage in such ridiculous behavior.

Some of you guys are making this waaaaay more complicated than it needs to be, because some of you are too scared to be yourselves, and to be honest, open and sincere because your ego might get bruised, and your fragile, "fake it until you make it" fake confidence will be shattered, so instead, some of you hide behind the mask of "negs" and "the cube" and "indirect openers" and a bunch of other gimmicks and tricks designed not to create attraction, but to protect your precious, fragile egos.

 

[PhilippeUrielAmancio]

... it's not the girl that's stupid, but your neg. Do you even know when or how to use one?

Thread starter, that's not a neg. What you're doing is qualifying using ****y and funny. Neg would be something like...

HB: I'm a model. (Complement me on my looks!)
You: Oh like a hand model? (Not rude but something unexpected.)

If a girl ever said that, chances are you're already involved in a conversation with her. Why would you ruin the vibe by asking if she's a hand model? See what I'm getting at?

The point of a neg (albeit, a crutch) is to establish a higher value. But these stupid, one-liner negs are only useful AFTER you've began a conversation. If you use it BEFORE you've established rapport, you'll get blown out.

But if you say something like "Oh, like a hand model?" while in a conversation, a smart girl will see right through you (unless your question is sincere).

Anyone who relies on negs is not being sincere. Anyone who is not sincere will only be able to engage girls who are not very intelligent. If that's what you want, so be it.

 

[PeterNorthisawesome]

If a girl ever said that, chances are you're already involved in a conversation with her. Why would you ruin the vibe by asking if she's a hand model? See what I'm getting at?

The point of a neg (albeit, a crutch) is to establish a higher value. But these stupid, one-liner negs are only useful AFTER you've began a conversation. If you use it BEFORE you've established rapport, you'll get blown out.

But if you say something like "Oh, like a hand model?" while in a conversation, a smart girl will see right through you (unless your question is sincere).

Anyone who relies on negs is not being sincere. Anyone who is not sincere will only be able to engage girls who are not very intelligent. If that's what you want, so be it.

I think negs are stupid as hell... I also think buying tempreture and almost 80% of the DJ bible is pure BS. I still like to discussing the "tactics" is fun. I was trying to explain the differance between a textbook defintion of ****y and funny vs. neg. Sure only a moron would diss a girl before any rapport. I'm always kidding and all those negs or ****y funny lines comes off as very sincere... I prob used neg.... once a year. ****y and funny plus being cool is enough for any chick.

 

[DonDan]

Good read. Thanks DongFu

 

[Dongfu]

I don't hate the phrase "b-shield" it just doesn't exist in my reality because the way I conduct myself doesn't cause girls to throw up their "b-shield"

I disarm "B-shields" by being honest, sincere, upfront with people, including women. When you do that, when you lead by example, people will follow and not throw up "b-shields"

Again, I can't remember the last time I've run into a "b-shield" it's been years.

Same with negs. I don't need to use them, because the way I conduct myself is already "DHV"

I don't need to lower anyone's value, because girls don't act that way around Men they respect and admire.

I also don't need to lower anyone's value because my value is higher than theirs. If anything, they will neg me. Does it bother me? Does it "lower my value" or raise their's?

Hell no.

It's just immature, High School type BS

Adults and people of substance don't engage in such ridiculous behavior.

Some of you guys are making this waaaaay more complicated than it needs to be, because some of you are too scared to be yourselves, and to be honest, open and sincere because your ego might get bruised, and your fragile, "fake it until you make it" fake confidence will be shattered, so instead, some of you hide behind the mask of "negs" and "the cube" and "indirect openers" and a bunch of other gimmicks and tricks designed not to create attraction, but to protect your precious, fragile egos.

I like when you talk like that:rock: :rock:

 

[Dongfu]

If I can say something about negging

I like giving girls a hard time on a regular basis, in a lighthearted way of course.

EX. I was hanging out with this girl for a couple weeks. She was beginning to think and act like we were together. I had no intention of making her my gf.

So we are in the check out line at safeway and we both put our things on the conveyor belt. The cashier asks, "Is this separate or together?"

I said "seperate," looking at the food, and then gesturing to her and smiling, "we're seperate."

That got her a little tiffed, but it also let her know where she stands.

Another time I told her that she was like a really cool big sister, even though she's a little younger than me. That got her irked, but she had to be cool.

Neither of these comments worked negatively, as she still calls me often. SHe just cant quite figure out what she needs to do to win me over.

 

[Mad Manic]

Negs in a serious manner don't tend to work, however negs in a jokey C&F manner usually work for me, which is congruent with my personality.

Other day, after opening:

HB: "Hi, I'm looking a bit gross today though hehe"
Me: "Gross, what do you mean, you look ok to me?"
HB: "Well I'm just tired and had a long day that's all"
Me: "Ohh really? Well your hair does seem a little messy I guess, I mean it starts off lovely at the top but at the bottom it's quite messy and random *grin*"
HB: "haha piss off *playfully hits and moves closer*"

Then becomes quite a playful and flirty environment.

TBH most people who mess up with negs are too direct and unsubtle with it. Friendly, jokey and subtle is a better option.
etc.

 

[ER!C L!VE]

The basic function of the neg is to establish yourself as being of higher value than your target. .... But. hey, it works anyways. So use negs if you still need that crutch, but there are other ways that will get very different types of women.

Let me ask you a question. Would you still stir up shyt and post as much if you removed the advertisement from your signature? Yes? Prove it.

 

[Dongfu]

Let me ask you a question. Would you still stir up shyt and post as much if you removed the advertisement from your signature? Yes? Prove it.

Okay bro. In case you havent been paying attention, I give my book for free to anyone who requests it.

So yes, i'd stir shyt up anyway, and I dont see the [point in removing the add. The owners of the sight have no problem with advertisements. Plenty of people here advertise, as well as post.

Do you want a copy. Does anyone else but you really care if the add is there or not. Have you gotten laid recently? Are you angry? Why read my posts?

 

[Bvbidd]

Negs work very well it just has to look like a joke.

The right reaction will be her laughing and hitting you on the arm.

You can smack a girl and call her a dirty wh0re but if you look like your joking she'll just laugh with you and get all red and flustered.

 

[Mad Manic]

Problem: Guy is good looking, confident, can approach infact, has a good job, friends etc. but doesn't bed attractive women.

There are many guys like this or close enough to this, and unless they learn the skill set to succeed with attractive women, they won't be getting them into bed. Part of this skill set is conveying/making visible one's higher value.

To Derek - It's all well being a higher value guy, but you have to convey that to the women explicitly or implicitly. She has to know and feel that you're high value, it's no good just being high value on it's own. This is a key point you haven't mentioned. If you don't have the skill set to convey the higher value it's no good, whether it be through what you say, your body language, etc.